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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-08 00:29:50 Reply

At 7/1/17 08:46 AM, MysteryG wrote: I've listened to "Atonement" by Opeth. It was nice, but... I'm Christian (Roman Catholic) and I heard that Mikael Åkerfeldt (the lider of that band) used to be satanist. Now he's not satanist, but he still has anti-Christian views. It is OK to Christian to listen to band like that? :(

I don't think it's necessarily wrong to like the band, but if you disagree with some of their songs or songwriting because they're not Christian, well, attribute that to your Christian beliefs and just delete whatever you don't like from your playlist. Also be aware that the band leader will probably cut or limit any Christian influences in the music. If that makes you really uncomfortable, find another band. There are countless more out there that you may even find you like better.

That said, I'm a die-hard Nightwish fan, and a lot of their songs reference fantasy elements, which pick and choose when they want to jive with the Christian narrative. Does it mean that their music is bad, nah. It just means I may or may not agree with some of it or think it's fantasy bs that, although it sounds nice, has no real substance aside from being a pretty fairy tale. Doesn't make it any less fun to listen to.

If you want safe-for-your-ears stuff, there's also Christian metal bands.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter what religious convictions a band has or doesn't have. If they're against Christianity, I usually just assume they had REALLY shitty experiences with Christians who didn't act very Christian, judged them, or made their lives living hell. It's up to you whether you decide to let a particular kind of music influence you, your beliefs, or your life. If music of a certain kind makes you uncomfortable, it's always prudent to ask why. Is it because you're not solid on your own beliefs, or is it because you just find it disrespectful, distasteful, or degrading? The alternative is that you may not be able to relate to it. If your beliefs get in the way of that, then question which is wrong, the song, or the possibly repressive belief system.

I'll admit, Christianity is a lot of the reason I can't enjoy a lot of mainstream music, especially rap and pop, not because I would feel ashamed to be doing a lot of what rap and pop glorify or God would punish me or some bs, but just because a lot of the things they talk about don't fulfill me. It's not the kind of life that makes me happy. It's just distractions -- one night stands, sex, drugs and alcohol, riches, etc. There's no good news, just bitching and moaning and glorifying the things that fuck us up. I like music that uplifts and motivates me to do better, to overcome, not to fall down on my face like everyone else.

The main question you should always ask is whether you can relate to a song or not, or its intentions. If a band is talking about skull fucking and raping, that's not something I can get behind, not just because I'm a Christian, but because I find it distasteful and degrading. If they're talking about overcoming fears, feeding the hungry, tending to the sick, helping people, striving to do better, emotion, or some other topic I can relate to like realizing someone doesn't deserve me because they don't appreciate me, that might be right up my alley.

So the question is, can you relate to most of Opeth's catalog, or does it just sound sort of pretty with an uncomfortable aftertaste?


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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-08 02:00:58 Reply

Thanks, dude.

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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-08 02:05:01 Reply

By the way, today I've listened to Necrophagist for the first time. It was OK, but it would be a hundred times better without that shitty vocals.

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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-10 09:09:24 Reply

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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-20 02:28:48 Reply

At 6/14/17 08:08 PM, normalgeist wrote: In terms of bm, I love avant-garde or atmospheric black metal, with my favorite bm band being Sigh. Vattnet Viskar, Saor, Blut Aus Nord, and Peste Noire are also highly recommended.

I love both Sigh and Peste Noire.

If you ever feel like discovering some amazing bm, you should look up the Quebec scene.

Monarque - Ad Nauseam
Délétère - Les Heures De La Peste

Or give the polish band Mgla a listen. They wreck shit up!

Mgła - Exercises in Futility

At 6/21/17 07:56 AM, MysteryG wrote: Today I've listened to In Flames for the first time. It was great... until their vocalist opened mouth and started singing.

I will never understand Death Metal, sorry guys.

Which album?

At 6/21/17 08:50 AM, Viper wrote: Are In Flames considered "Death Metal"? I thought they were under that "Alternative Metal" umbrella that bands like Mudvayne, Mushroomhead, Dope, Chevelle, etc are put in.

Are you really asking, Viper? I mean, I know what they're playing right now is a brand of bad nu-metal, mallcore, watered-down melodic death metal, but they've been an important band for the swedish melodic death metal scene in the past.

At 7/1/17 08:46 AM, MysteryG wrote: I've listened to "Atonement" by Opeth. It was nice, but... I'm Christian (Roman Catholic) and I heard that Mikael Åkerfeldt (the lider of that band) used to be satanist. Now he's not satanist, but he still has anti-Christian views. It is OK to Christian to listen to band like that? :(

I'm pretty sure he said it was only a part of the imagery and that he only liked it because it was cool to do it. The guy is an atheist, not a satanist and even less of an theistic satanist.

At 7/8/17 02:05 AM, MysteryG wrote: By the way, today I've listened to Necrophagist for the first time. It was OK, but it would be a hundred times better without that shitty vocals.

This attitude always bothered me. You don't have to like it, but to completely dismiss their artistic value without any further reasons than "I don't like em" seems kind of shallow to me.

If you dislike the death metal vocals, go for instrumental death metal. There isn't much of it, but it exists. Blotted Science's The Machination of Dementia has a lot of death metal elements and is completely instrumental. You might well possibly like it :)

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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-21 01:32:08 Reply

At 7/20/17 02:28 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 6/21/17 08:50 AM, Viper wrote: Are In Flames considered "Death Metal"? I thought they were under that "Alternative Metal" umbrella that bands like Mudvayne, Mushroomhead, Dope, Chevelle, etc are put in.
Are you really asking, Viper? I mean, I know what they're playing right now is a brand of bad nu-metal, mallcore, watered-down melodic death metal, but they've been an important band for the swedish melodic death metal scene in the past.

Well I meant more for their newer stuff. I dig their first few albums. I saw them awhile back with Red Fang and Opeth and they primarily played newer stuff and I pretty much lost interest like 1/3 of the way into their set. But the person who was running the soundboard seemed like they had no idea what they were doing because everything during THEIR set was cranked up obnoxiously loud to the point where my now ex couldn't hear me even if I spoke directly into her ear.


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Response to Metal Hell 2017-07-21 20:02:24 Reply

At 7/21/17 01:32 AM, Viper wrote: Well I meant more for their newer stuff. I dig their first few albums. I saw them awhile back with Red Fang and Opeth and they primarily played newer stuff and I pretty much lost interest like 1/3 of the way into their set. But the person who was running the soundboard seemed like they had no idea what they were doing because everything during THEIR set was cranked up obnoxiously loud to the point where my now ex couldn't hear me even if I spoke directly into her ear.

Yeah... InFlames have been on that downhill slope for more than a decade now. They've long stopped being relevant, but it doesn't seem to bother their present day fans.... I just can't see what's compelling about a directionless beaten-down band like modern day InFlames...

They're one of the many bands who've not released a single really engaging and creative album in ages but who still manage to headline shows.

You guys have heard the new Arch Enemy single?
Arch Enemy - The World Is Yours

Even with guys like Amott and Loomis on guitars they manage to be completely inoffensive. I don't know if this single is mediocre of if Amott and the gang just finally chose that playing it safe forever was the best plan for them to build themselves a big retirement fund...

And that chorus!

"If you want the world
Use your mind
Take control
Feel the strength
Rise from within
If you really want it the world is yours"

Fucking really? This is the pseudo-heavy version of a Katy Perry song...