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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 9th, 2013 @ 12:05 AM Reply

At 10/8/13 08:37 PM, SaltshakerClock wrote: I love any chance to talk about Death. I haven't heard enough from Sigh to comment (I've only listened to the debut album... what's it called...), but I can certainly speak about what is (IMO) the best death metal band, ever.

The first Sigh album would be Scorn Defeat. And it's an amazing album. I gave it a 96% rating on my Metal Archives review.

For starters, I can safely say I like all of Death's albums. I can also state that Leprosy is above all my favorite. I hear a lot of people criticize the "excessive" blast beats on Leprosy, but I disagree. I feel that the drums are in no way excessive, no more so than the album's greatness is excessive.

Leprosis is the only album I haven't heard yet. I'm trying to download it on the internet, while I'm trying to find original copies of Human and Scream Bloody Gore.

Otherwise, I've read some reviews suggesting that Individual Thought Patterns is the worst Death album. A guy described it as unfocused and lacking in riffs. As far as I'm concerned, I also think that's the one I like the least. It's also the one I've listened to the least (apart from Leprosis).

That being said, my least favorite album would have to be Symbolic. The best track (again, IMO) has to be Crystal Mountain, but even that pales in comparison to other tracks off any album. In my opinion (a lot of this being opinion based), Symbolic lacks the feeling, the emphasis, dare I say the emotion of the other albums, especially Leprosy and The Sound of Perseverance.

Symbolic seems to be the favorite album of a lot of Death fans. I've not felt this lack of emotions you are talking about. I'll try to understand why you could think that the next time I give it a spin.

The Sound of Perseverance is another topic I could go into entirely, but I'll keep it brief. From what I've seen, it gets a lot of crap for it's vocals (which I happen to enjoy greatly). It's different, I'll give them that. But I think it's not necessarily a "bad" different. To me, the Sound of Perseverance has a more, excuse me for using this buzzword, "epic" feel to it. Tracks that come to mind are The Flesh and the Power it Holds, The Scavenger of Human Sorrow, and Spirit Crusher. Gone were the days of the "excessive" (their words, not mine) blast beats, and in are the days of high pitched vocals, and strong power chords. And that's okay.

I really like The Sound of Perseverance but there is something about it that bothers me a little. Because of the lack of a better word I can possibly think of, I'd say it's the more "poppish". The musicianship is fucking amazing and the riffs are great for sure. And I really don't hate the vocals either. There is just a little something about the song structures that will bug me a little at times. Also, I find the album to be a little too lenghty. I think I still prefer the raw and thrashy death metal of Scream Bloody Gore to the cleaner, more progressive and polished aspects of The Sound Of Perseverance. Though I understand why the band would like to evolve in that direction.

In the end, Death obviously had a phenomenal career. Most of the criticisms I see for the band (either by album or just in general) aren't purely bad things. The change in vocal styles across each album may bother some, but it's better than releasing a series of albums that don't differ at all. I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

This is why I wanted to discuss this band. As opposed to others with a productive career, Death are one of these bands who explored and managed to do so with successful results.

I regret that I was not nearly old enough to ever see the band live (being 5 years old when the band disbanded). But, I guess in a way it's better that it ended on a high note, rather than a downward spiral.

The sad part is that it ended because of Chuck's death... Not only did we lose a great musician, but it gets us wondering what would have come next... especially considering how different TSOP was compared to their previous albums.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 10th, 2013 @ 11:52 AM Reply

Just got my pre-ordered copy of the Deluxe Edition of Red Fang's new album Whales and Leeches today.
A whole 5 days before its set release date. Which is awesome to me.
But yeah it's actually a pretty good album. They keep a lot of the high energy from their previous albums but also included a few slower songs in there too that actually fit in pretty well. And Mike Scheidt's vocals on "Dawn Rising" are pretty good as well. Though I felt like I've heard singing almost exactly like his so I asked my sister and she said his singing sounded a lot like William DuVall(new singer for Alice In Chains who replaced Layne Staley)'s live singing.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 14th, 2013 @ 10:41 PM Reply

Well, it's been like two or three months since I've posted here. Might as well try to make a comeback before I succumb to obscurity entirely.

I haven't been listening to much any new stuff really. I've mainly been listening to a lot of crust/grind lately, and lots of experimental punk stuff. Nothing new, or t least by new bands. Anyone have some recs, to get the engine going?

Death and Sigh? tbh, though I love Sigh, I haven't listened to any full albums, and I'm not sure about the chronological order of their music. I guess I'll have to get that soon.

As far as Death goes, although I like almost everything they did, early Death tops the list. Scream Bloody Gore remains one of my favorite albums to this very day. It, in addition to Autopsy's Mental Funeral, was what got me into death metal. Leprosy was also excellent, but the drumming isn't as exciting as that of SBG. Spiiritual Healing suffers the same problem, but to a more noticeable extent, and some of the slower parts of the album feel very plain and deflated. Certainly a masterpiece though, and the album featured some of Death's better lyrics, not to mention more progressive songwriting. Human is probably my favorite tech-era Death album. It feels to be their last album with really brutal riffs, after this they traded that for melody (not that that's bad, but you know). Steve's bass playing and Gene's drumming really give the album the best rhythm section of any Death album. That, and the masterpiece Cosmic Sea. Individual Thought Patterns was good, but there is something missing from it to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Overall, the harmonized guitar parts are really good. Symbolic and TSOP are good, but they are really just too poppy for me. The last three albums also have really cheesy lyrics I have to say. When I was still getting into Death metal, I thought they were deep and philosophical, but now that I'm a bit older, I find them cheesy. They really harp on the whole "humans are insensitive assholes" thing to the point of banality.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 14th, 2013 @ 11:39 PM Reply

At 10/14/13 10:41 PM, Tobi wrote: I haven't been listening to much any new stuff really. I've mainly been listening to a lot of crust/grind lately, and lots of experimental punk stuff. Nothing new, or t least by new bands. Anyone have some recs, to get the engine going?

I know a band that really just doesn't get the attention it should. They're named Leeches Of Lore and they mix heavy, stoner, thrash, doom metal, space rock and western music in a very unique way. This band needs exposure. Attack the Future and Frenzy, Ecstasy are amazing albums.

Death and Sigh? tbh, though I love Sigh, I haven't listened to any full albums, and I'm not sure about the chronological order of their music. I guess I'll have to get that soon.

Here you go!

Scorn Defeat (1993)
Infidel Art (1995)
Ghastly Funeral Theatre (1997)

I've included this EP because it is part of their SIGH thingy they do with their album titles.

Hail Horror Hail (1997)
Scenario IV: Dread Dreams (1999)
Imaginary Sonicscape (2001)
Gallows Gallery (2005)
Hangman's Hymn (2007)
Scenes from Hell (2010)
In Somniphobia (2012)

As far as Death goes, although I like almost everything they did, early Death tops the list. Scream Bloody Gore remains one of my favorite albums to this very day. It, in addition to Autopsy's Mental Funeral, was what got me into death metal. Leprosy was also excellent, but the drumming isn't as exciting as that of SBG. Spiiritual Healing suffers the same problem, but to a more noticeable extent, and some of the slower parts of the album feel very plain and deflated. Certainly a masterpiece though, and the album featured some of Death's better lyrics, not to mention more progressive songwriting. Human is probably my favorite tech-era Death album. It feels to be their last album with really brutal riffs, after this they traded that for melody (not that that's bad, but you know). Steve's bass playing and Gene's drumming really give the album the best rhythm section of any Death album. That, and the masterpiece Cosmic Sea. Individual Thought Patterns was good, but there is something missing from it to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Overall, the harmonized guitar parts are really good. Symbolic and TSOP are good, but they are really just too poppy for me. The last three albums also have really cheesy lyrics I have to say. When I was still getting into Death metal, I thought they were deep and philosophical, but now that I'm a bit older, I find them cheesy. They really harp on the whole "humans are insensitive assholes" thing to the point of banality.

We seems to have pretty much similar tastes when it comes to Death's discography. I highly appreciate both Scream Bloody Gore and Human for the reasons you have stated (while I still haven't heard anything from Leprosis), and I two have problems with Individual Thought Patterns. There isn't much standing out from it, IMO.

And when it comes to TSOP, we are pretty much agreeing on this two. It feels more commercial to me, though the riffing is still fucking amazing and provides material I would surely consider if I had to make a compilation album of Death. I wouldn't consider Symbolic on the same level though. Symbolic to me is somewhat similar to Human, but it lacks the Sean Reinert, Paul Masvidal and Steve DiGiorgio... plus it's also more melody-focused and puts less attention on the sick riffing that makes me love Death so much.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 17th, 2013 @ 02:31 PM Reply

My favorite Sigh albums are Infidel Art, Imaginary Sonicscape, and Hangman's Hymn. My favorite Death albums are Human, Symbolic, Individual Thought Patterns and the Sound of Perseverance. I love all the albums by both bands.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 17th, 2013 @ 07:55 PM Reply

At 10/17/13 02:31 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: My favorite Sigh albums are Infidel Art, Imaginary Sonicscape, and Hangman's Hymn. My favorite Death albums are Human, Symbolic, Individual Thought Patterns and the Sound of Perseverance. I love all the albums by both bands.

I was just listening to all of my Death albums again. I love the last solo on Zero Tolerance (off Symbolic).

I've never heard of Sigh. Guess I will be checking out some new music tonight.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 18th, 2013 @ 03:58 AM Reply

At 10/17/13 10:38 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
At 10/17/13 07:55 PM, BrenTheMan wrote: I've never heard of Sigh. Guess I will be checking out some new music tonight.
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Your lack of Scorn Defeat is disturbing.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 18th, 2013 @ 03:17 PM Reply

Brendon Small and the rest of the people in charge of Metalocalypse have premiered a track from the upcoming Metal Opera that will close out the series which is titled Metalocalypse: The Doomstar Requiem.
Here is the track which was premiered.
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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 18th, 2013 @ 05:32 PM Reply

At 10/18/13 03:58 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 10/17/13 10:38 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
At 10/17/13 07:55 PM, BrenTheMan wrote: I've never heard of Sigh. Guess I will be checking out some new music tonight.
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Your lack of Scorn Defeat is disturbing.

I was only listing my favorite songs.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 18th, 2013 @ 11:23 PM Reply

At 10/18/13 05:32 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I was only listing my favorite songs.

A lot of Imaginary Sonicscape, I see. Good stuff :)

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 19th, 2013 @ 12:47 AM Reply

Just out of sheer curiosity does this sound like an Earth song to anyone?

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I was bored and decided to record anything and ended up with that and 3 other things.
One of which is a 7 1/2 minute cover of Sunshine Of Your Love.

fyi the name "Aspin" is an intentional misspelling of "Aspen". don't ask. i don't feel like explaining.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 20th, 2013 @ 11:52 PM Reply

I've finaly decided to give Dio era Black Sabbath a shot. On the same occasion, I'll listen to some Rainbow. I've never really given a toughtful listening to their material, and just thought that now was the good time :)

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 21st, 2013 @ 08:43 PM Reply

New High On Fire


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 25th, 2013 @ 01:10 PM Reply

I've ordered two albums a week ago. The first one is Satan Worshipping Doom by Bongripper and the second is Frenzy, Ecstacy by Leeches Of Lore. I've praised these two bands a lot in the Metal Hell! If any of you guys haven't heard of one or both of these bands, you should definitely give them a chance!

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 27th, 2013 @ 11:59 PM Reply

The hour long Metalocalypse Rock Opera thingy is going to be on really soon.
I just hope they're able to close out the series on a high note instead of having something thats overall kinda sub par.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 28th, 2013 @ 09:15 PM Reply

That Soulfly, Mastodon, Dillinger Escape Plan, and Mars Volta supergroup has revealed their band's name as well as info regarding their debut album.

The bands name is Killer Be Killed and their debut album is confirmed to be released sometime next year.
Also a bit of an fyi if you haven't heard about this yet
The group consists of Max Cavalera of Soulfly, Greg Puciato from Dillinger Escape Plan, Troy Sanders from Mastodon, and Dave Elitch who was a former drummer of Mars Volta.
And they described their sound as "a bit of Sabbath-y doom, a bit of thrash, a bit of hardcore and punk."


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 28th, 2013 @ 09:49 PM Reply

Reaaaally not interested in that supergroup.

At 10/21/13 08:43 PM, Viper50 wrote: New High On Fire

Sweet.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 12:25 AM Reply

Hey guys!

2600+ pages now?! Awesome.

I'm in the process of uploading some of my edm songs/rap beats to my profile. I'm pretty into that whole scene these days.

Metal is still special to me though and I can still be pretty elitist when I want to be! Great memories here in this forum, even if it was a relatively brief period 5+ years ago.

I want to become active again on these forums, hopefully I can still lurk around the hell with yous :)

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 01:27 AM Reply

At 10/28/13 09:49 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Reaaaally not interested in that supergroup.

Dunno. Except from the guy from Soulfly, I think it might end up being at least decent. Worth checking out.

I've also just received my Bongripper album I've ordered from their bandcamp :D

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 02:00 AM Reply

And got a little gift with it :)

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 03:12 AM Reply

Bongripper fucking rules

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 03:23 AM Reply

At 10/29/13 03:12 AM, Entice wrote: Bongripper fucking rules

They sure do. Satan Worshipping Doom is one epic and massive doom metal album. It's amazing! I still have to get my hands on The Great Barrier Reefer, though. I've never had the chance to hear it.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 03:26 AM Reply

At 10/29/13 03:23 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 10/29/13 03:12 AM, Entice wrote: Bongripper fucking rules
They sure do. Satan Worshipping Doom is one epic and massive doom metal album. It's amazing! I still have to get my hands on The Great Barrier Reefer, though. I've never had the chance to hear it.

Also Electric Wizard- Dopethrone full album

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 03:34 AM Reply

At 10/29/13 03:26 AM, Entice wrote: Also Electric Wizard- Dopethrone full album

I already own it.

(That was a little part of my collection in August 2012, it's much bigger now!)

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 03:43 AM Reply

I have Stangala on CD

I wish that the KB sessions had a physical CD
Guess I could always buy online and burn them to CD

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 06:27 PM Reply

At 10/29/13 02:00 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: And got a little gift with it :)

I hate you >:c

At 10/29/13 03:23 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I still have to get my hands on The Great Barrier Reefer, though. I've never had the chance to hear it.

Oh. Well then here ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgyVSYE1ZzY


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 10:21 PM Reply

At 10/29/13 12:25 AM, TheBehemoth wrote: Hey guys!

I remember you. It's been a long time.

I want to become active again on these forums

Shit has been slow lately. Please do.

At 10/29/13 01:27 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 10/28/13 09:49 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Reaaaally not interested in that supergroup.
Dunno. Except from the guy from Soulfly, I think it might end up being at least decent. Worth checking out.

Well, I doubt that it will bebad. But I also doubt it will do much for me at all.


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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 10:46 PM Reply

At 10/29/13 06:27 PM, Viper50 wrote: I hate you >:c

You jealous!

At 10/29/13 10:21 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Well, I doubt that it will bebad. But I also doubt it will do much for me at all.

Same here.

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Response to Metal Hell Oct. 29th, 2013 @ 10:51 PM Reply

At 10/29/13 10:46 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 10/29/13 06:27 PM, Viper50 wrote: I hate you >:c
You jealous!

Totes jellyous!


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