At 7/31/13 02:43 PM, ElGhoulio wrote:
There's your problem. For starters, devaluate is not a word; the word you're looking for is devalue. That being out of the way, I didn't devalue any of your arguments. I merely stated that you should take them somewhere where they're needed, and not here.
Why do you feel the need to correct my spelling? On peut parler en franÃ§ais si tu veux. Ce serait plus facile pour moi, mais je doute que tu parles un seul mot de franÃ§ais. N'est-ce pas ?
And like previously stated, I DIDN'T SPEAK MY OPINION. I'd write it bigger if it could help you understand, but I can't.
Because in prison, being loud and obnoxious gets you killed. If you can't see how that would teach you how to keep your mouth shut when the situation requires is, I don't know how to spell it out any clearer for you. That's not a fuckin ad-hominem attack. I never attacked your personality or your person; I merely disagreed with you. If anyone has attacked someone's character, it's you, Duff.
That has nothing to do with what I said. Do you even read? I said you don't have to be a fucking physicist to know that gravity exists. I never attacked anyone's character in anyway. I did however use the ad hominem incorrectly. What I meant is that you based the validity of your argument not on the content of your argument but on the personnal experience that you have, compared to my personnal experiences (you know nothing about) to validate your position. Which is probably closer to Argumentum ad verecundiam, and not Ad Hominem.
No, you don't need to get your fingers stuck in blades to know not to do that, but if you were to in fact cut your fingers with a chainsaw, I'm pretty damn sure you're a lot less likely to do that again than someone who hasn't done that. And yes, going to prison does teach you a lot about life, if you're willing to learn.
It teaches you stuff about social outcasts, yes. And you still don't have a point. I don't see how you going to jail makes you more capable of understanding that there are proper places and situations to speak your mind.
From the post you made, it is not me who is devaluing you, but you who is devaluing me. You insisted that my experiences which you do not have do not matter and are irrelevant. You seem to believe that opinions that contradict your own are worthless/incorrect. I have not devalued anything you have said; I merely stated that the Metal Hell was not the place to say it.
I didn't devalue your opinion. In fact I pretty much agreed with your original position which was that there is a place and time to discuss such matter and that the Metal Hell shouldn't be this place. I do not agree with the argument you used to support this though, as your argument was fallacious. I do not mean to say that your personnal experience is irrelevant to anything, but going to jail definitely isn't the only thing that teaches an individual how to act in social situations. In fact, I'm pretty sure it does quite the opposite. Jail seems to teach more on how to use fear and dominate others rather than teach them respect and good-manners.
Your argument was not even that you had a point of view I couldn't have on a matter, which I would agree with. Your inside look of what jail is gives you one perspective on the matter, but it doesn't make you all-around more able then me to understand the matter. It's like saying you need to be a cook to appreciate good food. Of course, making the food makes you able to have a specific perspective on the matter, but you do not have an all-around better perspective then others on the matter...
You are nothing without your experiences, Duff. They are always relevant. And besides, I wasn't debating. I was ending the debate. I've had collegiate debates before and I know when I'm debating. Last night, I was telling y'all to STFU about politics since this not the place for that. I apologize for whatever contribution I made to that, but I saw it getting a little heated, so I interjected, and felt my personal experiences would be a guide in explaining why arguing about politics in a metal forum is a bad idea.
It's funny that you focus your whole post around me... cause just go back... read my posts... I didn't say shit on gun control.
You wrote 4 paragraphs in response to a one sentence handle. That's overreacting. You have a habit of doing that whenever someone disagrees with you. I noticed this years ago when you first joined the metal hell, and it's only gotten worse since. What really grinded my gears, though, was that you insisted that I was crazy for liking Domenici better than LaBrie, when it turns out...
More like four lines...
And I didn't say shit about your preference for Domenici. Now you're just making stuff up! You're getting paranoid, Ghoul.
I know this is a lot to read, Duff, but this is something I've noticed for years, and that is you shut down and attempt to steamroll anybody who disagrees with you online, probably because you can't do that in real life. Either way, I realize I'm never gonna change you, so I guess trying to talk to you is a pointless affair.
Now shove this in your head already: I DIDN'T TAKE ANY PART IN THE DEBATE ON GUN CONTROL!
Second of: Yes I got in a fight with you because your whole point was that I didn't have the life experience to understand. Not only is this pretentious ad hominem bullshit, but that's also a flat-out lie based on assumptions you made on my behalf! You have no clue who I am, and you are judging me on posts I made before you got thrown in prison! I joinned the Metal Hell when I was 15 years old, I now am 23. I grew up, cut me some slack.
And yes I'm actually getting angry at you. Just why the fuck would you say something like: "I've noticed for years, and that is you shut down and attempt to steamroll anybody who disagrees with you online, probably because you can't do that in real life." ???
Like seriously Ghoul, if you are going to say bullshit like that, don't ever pretend that you know how to have intelligent "college level" debates if you use that bullshit with me. FYI, I speak my mind, I debate, I discuss my ideas with people all the time. I took part in the student strike in Quebec in 2012 and went on a radio show to discuss my ideas and opinions on the matter.
But hey! It's way easier to pretend to know shit about people rather than think and make up real arguments, right?