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At 8/25/10 02:36 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: AniMetal is kind of right...

Of course I am.

For those of you who don't know, Slayer is playing Seasons In The Abyss in entirety on their tour with Megadeth who was playing Rust In Peace in entirety and testament as the opener. (it was an awesome show hahaha)

Anyway, a lot of my metalhead friends on facebook were all bitching about how Slayer's best album is Show No Mercy and that Seasons is a terrible album and all this shit and my one and only friend who agrees with me in saying Seasons In The Abyss is their best album posted this rant:

"Why are slayer playing Seasons In The Abyss instead of Reign In Blood or south of heaven? Little known fact about slayer: They weren't very popular in the 80's. Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits and Haunting The Chapel were very underground. What about their two most successful albums TODAY, Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven? They were both slightly successful but they weren't a commonly known band yet even among the metalhead community! Seasons In The Abyss is the ONE and ONLY slayer album before the 00's that was successful in the mainstream and it's the album that put slayer on the spot to begin with. In fact the only reason slayer are so well known now are because of these five reasons:
1.) The initial success of the album Seasons In The Abyss put them on the spotlight among metalheads to begin with.
2.) The stabbing and murder of that guy in a slayer pit in 1992 being the cause of the law where you can't bring weapons to concerts.
3.) Dave Mustaine shitting on slayer in the late 90's in a interview because "Megadeth is infinity more successful than slayer and it's no secret why"
4.) In retaliation to dave mustaine's comment on slayer, metallica got slayer to open for them on a europe tour in 2000.
5.) Raining blood being featured on MTV starting in 2003 making that song the hit that it is.
Those are the five reasons Slayer are successful as they are."

And his rant is pretty damn right, slayer didn't really become a big deal among the metal community till 1990-1993 and they didn't become a big deal among the nonmetal community until the early 2000's.

So whomever said slayer influenced a lot of death metal obviously has never heard of Possessed, Deicide, Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, Vader, Malevolent Creation, Morbid Angel, Autopsy, Kreator's first two albums, Pestilence, Immolation, Napalm Death, Carcass, Carnage, Entombed, etc.

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Sooo, what do you guys think of the Drone/Doom band Earth?

Sunn O))) & Boris - Akuma No Kuma

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Slayer is mediocre thrash for mediocre people.

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At 8/25/10 02:54 AM, AniMetal wrote: So whomever said slayer influenced a lot of death metal obviously has never heard of Possessed, Deicide, Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, Vader, Malevolent Creation, Morbid Angel, Autopsy, Kreator's first two albums, Pestilence, Immolation, Napalm Death, Carcass, Carnage, Entombed, etc.

All the supposed Slayer "influenced" DM bands I've heard were really weak stuff. It barely even bordered on death/thrash. So yeah, haha. You wouldn't even know.

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At 8/24/10 08:40 PM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN AROUND FOR FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

MEGADETH PLAYING 'RUST IN PEACE' IN FULL LIVE, PLUS a bunch of other shitty core bands with the odd one or two awesome bands thrown in.

I just found out about this today, fucking super psyched to see Megadeth again and 3 INCHES OF BLOOD!

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At 8/25/10 02:36 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

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Nobody likes you and all you like are shitty symphonic black metal bands and other retarded bands filled with posers with beards who try to act tough.

Fuck you. I don't only listen to black metal douche bag I listen Many other of metal (folk, some power, death)

Your douche baggery has cost you all respect I had for you.

<3 Because metal needs a beard to be kreig (sarcasim)

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At 8/24/10 07:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Lombardo is pretty good. He's pretty much the only reediming element of Slayer. But you can't say the drumming of Megadeth rely only on basic bass and snare pattern, especially on RIP.

RIP is an exception, thanks to Nick Menza. He was Megadeth's only good drummer.

Maybe that's just me, but I think they really sound wannabe agressive. I feel like they are trying too hard to be badass in their lyrics... Or maybe it's just their attitude...

They did try too hard in the beginning, just look at the backside of Show No Mercy. But I wouldn't say they try too hard now.

Maybe right about Brain Drill, but Origin... Sorry man, but their riffs are strong, powerfull. I really see them as the band who combined Technicality, great musicality and brutality in the best possible way. Origin riffs are the best riffs you will hear in Modern Death Metal. If you know how to listen to their kind of music, you will realise that their riffs are redefining the sound of Death Metal, pushing it to the limits. Their riffs are very melodic and even catchy.

You were talking about the leads, not the riffs. I see nothing melodic about Origin. I did find Portal catchy, but Finite sounded like a clusterfuck of noise. I have nothing against Origin, mind you, I'm just not a big fan of them. I like them better than Brain Drill.

Megadeth are still better than Slayer...

Not a chance.

At 8/25/10 01:24 AM, AniMetal wrote: Slayer inspires shittie retro thrash metal bands like Evile and Warbringer and Megadeth inspires....well a little bit of everything.

You're actually calling Evile shit?

The only thing slayer has better than what megadeth has is the drummer, oh and a consistent lineup.

And a vocalist who doesn't sound like he's holding his nose when he sings.

Slayer DID NOT inspire a lot of death metal.

You sure about that?

Considering bands like Possessed and Kreator were releasing proto-death metal albums in 85 and considering slayer REALLY didn't become popular till the late 80's/early 90's that's just stupid.

Slayer released Hell Awaits in 85. They were already popular with the metal community before that, 1983's Show No Mercy was Metal Blade Records' best selling release.

And I have never seen a death metal band cite slayer as one of their biggest influences.

Alex Webster disagrees.

At 8/25/10 02:36 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: AniMetal is kind of right...

He's not.

At 8/24/10 11:41 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

At 8/24/10 07:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Megadeth are still better than Slayer...

*cough cough* cock suck * cough cough*

Nobody likes you and all you like are shitty symphonic black metal bands and other retarded bands filled with posers with beards who try to act tough.

Are you just saying that because he's not on your side?

At 8/25/10 02:54 AM, AniMetal wrote: Of course I am.

I really do love bursting people's bubbles.

"Why are slayer playing Seasons In The Abyss instead of Reign In Blood or south of heaven? Little known fact about slayer: They weren't very popular in the 80's. Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits and Haunting The Chapel were very underground. What about their two most successful albums TODAY, Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven? They were both slightly successful but they weren't a commonly known band yet even among the metalhead community! Seasons In The Abyss is the ONE and ONLY slayer album before the 00's that was successful in the mainstream and it's the album that put slayer on the spot to begin with. In fact the only reason slayer are so well known now are because of these five reasons:

Your only friend is wrong. Those albums weren't underground, Slayer was already signed a recording contract before they released those albums. Show No Mercy was Metal Blade Records' top selling album and Slayer was given a producer for their later records. Reign in Blood was certified gold and South of Heaven was #57 on the Billboard 200.

1.) The initial success of the album Seasons In The Abyss put them on the spotlight among metalheads to begin with.

Even though Slayer's earlier albums were initial successes.

2.) The stabbing and murder of that guy in a slayer pit in 1992 being the cause of the law where you can't bring weapons to concerts.

Could you cite that incident? I can't find it on the net.

3.) Dave Mustaine shitting on slayer in the late 90's in a interview because "Megadeth is infinity more successful than slayer and it's no secret why"

Mustaine never said that. He feuded with Slayer because he wanted Kerry King to stay with Megadeth.

4.) In retaliation to dave mustaine's comment on slayer, metallica got slayer to open for them on a europe tour in 2000.

Does your friend cite anything or does he just pull information out of his ass.

5.) Raining blood being featured on MTV starting in 2003 making that song the hit that it is.

So Reign in Blood selling over half a million copies BEFORE that had nothing to do with the song's success. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

Those are the five reasons Slayer are successful as they are."

Funny, all of those reasons weren't based on facts.

And his rant is pretty damn right, slayer didn't really become a big deal among the metal community till 1990-1993 and they didn't become a big deal among the nonmetal community until the early 2000's.

Once again, Show No Mercy was Metal Blade Records' best selling album and both Reign in Blood and South of Heaven made in into the Billboard. If they didn't become a big deal until the 90s, they wouldn't be in the Big Four.

So whomever said slayer influenced a lot of death metal obviously has never heard of Possessed

More thrash than death metal.

Deicide

Influenced by Slayer.

Obituary

Who didn't release an album until 1989.

Cannibal Corpse

Influenced by Slayer.

Vader

Who didn't start releasing albums until the 90s.

Malevolent Creation

Influenced by Slayer.

Morbid Angel

Released albums after Slayer.

Autopsy

Released albums after Slayer.

:Kreator's first two albums

Not death metal.

Pestilence

They started as a thrash band.

Immolation

Didn't start releasing albums until the 90s.

Napalm Death

They inspired grindcore, not death metal.

Carcass

They inspired melodic death metal.

Carnage

Released only one album in 1990.

Entombed

Didn't start releasing albums until the 90s.

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No Im serious I was cool with him. I don't try to be a dick to everyone but he just crossed the line.

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At 8/25/10 01:24 AM, AniMetal wrote: Megadeth is good up till youthanasia, everything after that sucks.

I thought Endgame was pretty good while The System Has Failed and United Abominations were decent overall. I prefer Megadeth over Slayer since I have found so much awesome stuff from Megadeth throughout their history (except for Risk and The World Needs a Hero but the latter is adequate) while Slayer are just limited to a few albums for me. I've hardly found anything after Seasons worth listening to.

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At 8/25/10 10:28 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 8/25/10 01:24 AM, AniMetal wrote: Slayer inspires shittie retro thrash metal bands like Evile and Warbringer and Megadeth inspires....well a little bit of everything.

You're actually calling Evile shit?

I bet he listened to Enter the Grave once and classed it as rehash shit and never listened again. Evile are the only band I know of (there may be others) that are actually progressing thrash as a genre instead of copying their idols from the 80's.

Also I may have mentioned them before but I don't know if anyone noticed. Kruger are a fantastic band with a really unique sound, sort of a sludgey death metal sort of thing. I highly recommend their latest album For Death, Glory and the End of the World, I've been listening to it almost every day for the last month.

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At 8/25/10 04:50 AM, Dalnaki wrote: Slayer is mediocre thrash for mediocre people.

I approove this message. By the way, thanks Dalnaki for introducing me to Morbid Saint. That !!! My son, is awesome Thrash Metal !!!

At 8/25/10 10:28 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

You were talking about the leads, not the riffs. I see nothing melodic about Origin. I did find Portal catchy, but Finite sounded like a clusterfuck of noise. I have nothing against Origin, mind you, I'm just not a big fan of them. I like them better than Brain Drill.

Oh... My bad then... I still think their guitars are awesome on every level. And Finite is one of their best tracks. You should give it a few more tries :)

Megadeth are still better than Slayer...

Not a chance.

Their work is far more memorable and their sound as evolved through the years. Correct me if I'm wrong.... but doesn't Slayer just sounds the same on all of their albums?

And a vocalist who doesn't sound like he's holding his nose when he sings.

Then that's just about opinions. Cause I like Dave Mustaine's vocals a lot.

Alex Webster disagrees.

That's just killing me... Cause he's probably my favorite bass player...

Are you just saying that because he's not on your side?

No, I'm saying that because he's being a douche and that he went apeshit on a guy who liked Metallica and Megadeth. Then I told him how stupid I thought this comment was, cause Slayer are nothing better then these two bands and smeagol happens to be a fan of Slayer. If you can't recognize that the work of these two bands have influenced the world of metal enough to be recognized as very important metal bands and that you shit on someone for liking them, then I guess you do... deserve to get flammed a little.

At 8/25/10 10:44 AM, smeagol1 wrote: No Im serious I was cool with him. I don't try to be a dick to everyone but he just crossed the line.

Here's a little something you posted earlier as a response to the guy who wanted to join the Metal Hell

At 8/23/10 11:36 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

Gojira-yay
As I lay dying- GTFO
Trivium- seriously gtfo
Dark Tranquility-yay
Megadeath-meh ok
Metallica-sell out peices of shit.
Droid- unknown
Lazurus A.D.-unknown
Gorod- unknown

To the lions with him.

And now you're saying that you are not being a dick to everyone...

Do you need me to remind you that you flammed a guy who had 7 bands out of 10, for no good reason?

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Got a Black Sabbath cover album with Metal Hammer. Out of nine artists, the only ones I know are Turisas, Amon Amarth, Apocalyptica and Orange Goblin.

Tursias' cover of Supernaut and Orange Goblin's version of Symptom of the Universe are the only ones that aren't complete balls. Amon Amarth's take on Children of the Grave might actually be one of the worst covers I've ever heard. It's on par with Funeral For a Friend's Damage Inc.

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At 8/25/10 05:47 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Tursias' cover of Supernaut and Orange Goblin's version of Symptom of the Universe are the only ones that aren't complete balls. Amon Amarth's take on Children of the Grave might actually be one of the worst covers I've ever heard. It's on par with Funeral For a Friend's Damage Inc.

Most of those tribute type CD's aren't worth anything. If you're looking for an excellent cover of Children of the Grave, check out Racer X's album Technical Difficulties. The bonus track in Japan is a good cover of it. It stays pretty faithful to the original.

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At 8/25/10 03:42 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Sooo, what do you guys think of the Drone/Doom band Earth?

The Bees Made Honey in the Lions Skull is a great chill out album, but it doesn't really feel like a Metal album.
I was given a couple other albums of theirs but I've not really listened to them, so that opinion can hardly be considered final.

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At 8/25/10 06:44 PM, Nev wrote:

At 8/25/10 03:42 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Sooo, what do you guys think of the Drone/Doom band Earth?

The Bees Made Honey in the Lions Skull is a great chill out album, but it doesn't really feel like a Metal album.
I was given a couple other albums of theirs but I've not really listened to them, so that opinion can hardly be considered final.

When can you really make a final opnion anyway?

Thanks man :) I really like the Sunn O))) & Boris album, Altar. It's amazing !!

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At 8/25/10 10:28 AM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

Carcass

They inspired melodic death metal.

Aw man, you are such a jackass. That was Gothenburg. Carcass is grindcore. Heartwork sucks. They released albums before Heartwork, you know?

Also lol @ the "didn't release albums til the 90s" thing. As if that makes all the 90s bands automatically influenced by Slayer.

At 8/25/10 04:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/25/10 04:50 AM, Dalnaki wrote: Slayer is mediocre thrash for mediocre people.

I approove this message. By the way, thanks Dalnaki for introducing me to Morbid Saint. That !!! My son, is awesome Thrash Metal !!!

Thanks man. I don't know why everyone dickrides Slayer. People should pull their heads out of their asses.
Also: Proof that you don't have to be metal to be more extreme than Slayer.

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At 8/25/10 09:04 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: When can you really make a final opnion anyway?

When you've heard all their work to date would be a pretty good time, I reckon.

Thanks man :) I really like the Sunn O))) & Boris album, Altar. It's amazing !!

I think Sensey or Ponos beat me to recommending that to you, but yeah, its one of my favourite albums. The Sinking Belle is a beautiful song.

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Who the hell said Slayer didn't influence death metal? They did.

Also my little bro had to write a letter to a good citizen for one of his classes, and normally I wouldn't really care. Thing is, he actually got a reply from that person.

Which gets me thinking " who could I write a letter to ? ". So I have decided to write a letter to either Varg, Hellhammer, Maniac, or Gaahl.

I wonder if Varg will reply.

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At 8/25/10 09:58 PM, Nev wrote:

At 8/25/10 09:04 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: When can you really make a final opnion anyway?

When you've heard all their work to date would be a pretty good time, I reckon.

Still, you can find something more with every listenning.

Thanks man :) I really like the Sunn O))) & Boris album, Altar. It's amazing !!

I think Sensey or Ponos beat me to recommending that to you, but yeah, its one of my favourite albums. The Sinking Belle is a beautiful song.

No, in fact, I started listenning to Sunn O))) by myself or maybe I did read comments about them in the Hell. But Boris was suggested to me by one of the guys in the Hell. When I realised they made some work together, I knew I had to listen to this.

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At 8/25/10 10:02 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Who the hell said Slayer didn't influence death metal? They did.

Examples please.

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At 8/25/10 10:19 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 8/25/10 10:02 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Who the hell said Slayer didn't influence death metal? They did.

Examples please.

Slayer was not directly DM, however they influenced later DM bands. Slayer was thrash, kind of like Possessed. Hell awaits is one of the more influential Death/Black metal albums. This of course saying that hell awaits wasn't actually a Death/ Black metal album.

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At 8/25/10 10:29 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Slayer was not directly DM, however they influenced later DM bands. Slayer was thrash, kind of like Possessed. Hell awaits is one of the more influential Death/Black metal albums. This of course saying that hell awaits wasn't actually a Death/ Black metal album.

Is this from Wikipedia?

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Dalnaki, you're so confrontational and full of yourself that you seem like the average Pantera fan. If Slayer didn't influence at least some death metal bands, then I don't know what did. Were they the only influence? Of course not, but they were one of the fastest and most aggressive thrash bands out there at the time (the others being Kreator and Sodom who were just as influential).

Just to let you know, I won't be amusing you any further with this post.

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At 8/26/10 12:25 AM, Idiosyncratic wrote:
Just to let you know, I won't be amusing you any further with this post.

To be clear I meant, "I won't be amusing you with any more posts."

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Just trying to spread the word / promote these guys a bit. Australian death metal / shock rock band. Super sick ass music.

www.myspace.com/kcavemen

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At 8/25/10 04:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/23/10 11:36 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

Gojira-yay
As I lay dying- GTFO
Trivium- seriously gtfo
Dark Tranquility-yay
Megadeath-meh ok
Metallica-sell out peices of shit.
Droid- unknown
Lazurus A.D.-unknown
Gorod- unknown

To the lions with him.

And now you're saying that you are not being a dick to everyone...

Do you need me to remind you that you flammed a guy who had 7 bands out of 10, for no good reason?

He is recruit I can has right to be tough on them. <3 Stop being a weiner duff.

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At 8/26/10 12:25 AM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Dalnaki, you're so confrontational and full of yourself that you seem like the average Pantera fan. If Slayer didn't influence at least some death metal bands, then I don't know what did. Were they the only influence? Of course not, but they were one of the fastest and most aggressive thrash bands out there at the time (the others being Kreator and Sodom who were just as influential).

You seemed to have missed the part where unlike you, I know what I'm talking about. You can wiki a band all you want, but that doesn't prove anything.

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At 8/26/10 02:09 AM, EpicFail wrote: Just trying to spread the word / promote these guys a bit. Australian death metal / shock rock band. Super sick ass music.

www.myspace.com/kcavemen

Masks really?

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At 8/26/10 02:09 AM, EpicFail wrote: Just trying to spread the word / promote these guys a bit. Australian death metal / shock rock band. Super sick ass music.

www.myspace.com/kcavemen

Juggalo metalcore band. No thanks. I thought they were a Slipknot cover band at first because of the masks.

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I remember listening to Hammers of Misfortune a while ago. Considering Mike Scalzi was in the band at one point, I had high expectations but for some reason, I wasn't caught on during my first listens. I gave them another try last night and damn, they're really good. I'll have to get one of their albums sometime soon, even though I'm due to get 4 other albums right now.

At 8/25/10 06:20 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote:

At 8/25/10 05:47 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Tursias' cover of Supernaut and Orange Goblin's version of Symptom of the Universe are the only ones that aren't complete balls. Amon Amarth's take on Children of the Grave might actually be one of the worst covers I've ever heard. It's on par with Funeral For a Friend's Damage Inc.

Most of those tribute type CD's aren't worth anything.

I would have thought the Black Sabbath tribute album would have been decent. From a distance, it didn't look as bad as the Maiden tribute album by Kerrang. Now THAT was a disaster which was barely saved by decent covers from Dream Theater and Machine Head. Metallica did an awful job at playing Remember Tomorrow.