At 4/27/10 06:42 PM, Nev wrote:
I'm with Bahamut on this 100%.
Duff, you said no one comes in here not knowing anythign about Metal. Not true, there are plenty people who come in here all 'OMG I LOVE BULLET AND STATIC X!' They're the people who need those recommendations. People who have the basics, but not enough can they take advantage of the other names on the list.
I said, people who join ask to join usually already know about metal (or nu-metal or metalcore)
As I fucking told you before, a lot of people from the core scene consider themselves as a part of the metal scene. They do not see core and metal as two separate genres, they see the different core genres as sub-genres of metal. We, like all groups in the history of humanity, have putted our own limits and definitions of metal. So the Metal Hell's views of metal, are not shared with all metalheads communities. So Static X and BFMV may not be metal for you, but those who join the hell can think they are.
Also you should know that a few metal bands are well appreciated by the scene kids. It's a common thing to see Megadeth, Iron Maiden and Metallica t-shirts at core shows. So when these kids want to join the Hell, most of them already know about these bands.
As for creating "80's Metalheads" thats nonsence. If they take on board the bands we introduce to them and then stick around, more than likely they will look into the new stuff we talk about. When I joined I only listened to stuff like Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth. I believe there is a difference between people who only listen to Maiden and people who come in here. No one in here listens to that sort of generic stuff anymore. That mindset will leak onto others.
That's for those who stick around, cause a lot of these kids, just end up leaving because we do not discuss Pantera enough. Remember that kid, a few months ago who went around saying we sucked cause Pantera was the best shit ever. You have to understand Nev, that this is very common for fans of Iron Maiden, Metallican, Megadeth, Pantera and the old bands, to stick to only one band and critize the whole metal scene, saying it's random blasting with puke vocals and not artistic value.
And you cannot say it's non-sense, another guy approoved what I said. I'm not the only one who thinks there is a lot of these kids who end up talking about the "true metal" and how modern metal sucks.
And you take the regulars of the Hell as representative of the metal community. We are a very small group, we have precise definitions of what metal is. And believe it or not, it's not easy to join the Metal Hell, cause we are elitists. We have our views on what is and what is not metal. And we also have our views on what good metal is and what bad metal is. You should already know that Melodeath is not the most welcome subgenre of metal in here. That's the best example.
Thirdly, Death Metal is shite, telling someone to listen to 20 Death Metal bands is just going to put them off if they don't like it. Giving people a mixture of old, new, Powerprogdeathblackdoomheavyetc is way preferable. Not loads of one thing, but cover all the bases.
Well, if you read my post properly... you would have understood that I was saying the exact same thing your saying...
I told the guy that making a list composed entirely of death metal was a bad idea. Mixing the old and new stuff would still be a good idea. And this is why there was Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Motorhead on my original list. You need to read my posts better Nev. Instead of trying to find flaws in everything I say.
Finally, Bahamut, did you forget to put Manowar on your list? I think you did... for shame :P.
Fuck no... for our own fucking sake!