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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-25 22:49:02 Reply

Lala lalalalala


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-25 22:51:02 Reply

At 4/25/10 10:49 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Lala lalalalala

Well this totally killed the mood.

Lala lalalalala


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 03:21:13 Reply

At 4/25/10 03:54 PM, Nev wrote:
Ponos was obviously trolling you to pieces, and you were taking his bait each time.

Dude, he was obviously pissed off, every single time he would post. I know what trolls are, thanks kiddy.

At 4/25/10 04:03 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:
The only reason I wouldn't use Agalloch to get people into metal is that Agalloch don't sound a whole lot like other metal bands. I feel like if I used Agalloch to get people into metal, I'd end up getting them into just Agalloch and not metal in general.

I know, but we were talking about making a list. So if it's not just Agalloch, but Agalloch and some heavy metal, some death metal, some thrash, some melodeath and some SBM and whatever. Agalloch are not representative of the whole metal scene, but I still think they are not that hard to get into.

At 4/25/10 06:06 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: What's with the influx of membership requests? And why are they all shit?

Dunno... did Korn release a new album and no one told me?

Also, I'll post something about the show I saw tonight when I get some more time. Gotta sleep now.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 03:53:35 Reply

Oh anyway. Here is a part of what I wanted to write later. But since I already wrote these few words, might as well just post them.

I saw Threat Signal tonight. Here is a comment I left on their page on last.fm

"I've never loved this band so much before I could scream!! Scream my lungs out while facing Jon, Screaming all my favorite parts of their songs with him! This vocalist is awesome because he knows how to write beautiful music and he likes to sing all these words he wrote. Singing along with him, my best friends and the crowd was a great experience. Such a great band, their vocalist, Jon, is such a great artist because he loves what he does and he loves to share it with his fans."

I think it's what makes or breaks a band...
The feeling...

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 06:15:15 Reply

So I listened to this band right, they're called Threat Signal.

First minute, thoughts:

Ah, typical. One note chugs.

Second minute, thoughts:

Ah, typical. Whiney American accent emo-ish clean singing part. WAAAAAAA AAAAAAAA!

Give up on song. Listen to another.

First minute, thoughts:

Ah, typical. Emocore chord progression clean guitar intro.

Ah, typical. Techno effect guitar melody.

I don't much care for this band at all, if you ask my opinion.

Singer has some lungs though.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 06:29:53 Reply

Kivimetsän Druidi, great folk metal band. Really melodic.

Got their album/promo shit along with a bunch of other promos free when I ordered...

THIS!

I have the limited grey edition coming in the mail as well :D

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 07:53:56 Reply

DAMMIT SPEEDY YOU DONT HOLD RECORDS LIKE THAT. HOLD THE EDGES WITH YOUR PALMS.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 08:54:00 Reply

At 4/25/10 08:51 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:
At 4/24/10 03:03 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Smells like opinions :)
Is it just me, or when you guys read this post you saw opinions as well?

And that's the irony of it all.

At 4/25/10 03:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And still, to you guys who told me that Agalloch is not a good start to introduce people to metal... I think you guys are wrong, cause I managed to get two girls interrested into metal by making em listen to Agalloch. My ex-girlfriend now likes bands like Blotted Science and Ulver. I guess that what I did was not a bad move... at all :P

That's just two girls listening to that band. It doesn't mean the same thing will happen to a thousand other new metal fans while the majority who are getting into metal are more likely to enjoy Metallica (the good stuff, of course) and Iron Maiden than Agalloch.

At 4/26/10 03:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 4/25/10 06:06 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: What's with the influx of membership requests? And why are they all shit?
Dunno... did Korn release a new album and no one told me?

From what I've heard, their new album is coming out soon. Why I'm sad enough to know this is because their name kept popping up and I was just curious about what they named their new album.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 11:54:09 Reply

At 4/26/10 03:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Dude, he was obviously pissed off, every single time he would post. I know what trolls are, thanks kiddy.

Knowing and identifying are different :P. Ponos said something, you reacted, so he carried on doing it. Classic trolling :P.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 12:18:23 Reply

At 4/26/10 06:15 AM, PenisClown wrote: So I listened to this band right, they're called Threat Signal.

It's funny you say it's typical. Can't say I've ever heard anything like what they do anywhere else. And I think I know more about the melodeath-metalcore scene.

When you listen to something, you really have to go for the ensemble, not just break the complexe sounds to single parts. What makes Threat Signal is that everything blends perfectly together and that they know how to bring it to the fucking table. And dude, you gotta have some parts of your music that reflects the genre you play. So even these bands you like have typical "whatever the genre is" riffs and chord progressions.

Plus, these guys have thrash metal influences, so calling them just emo and core is not enough to describe their sound.

And last thing, they are one of the rare bands to do nice breakdowns. They are pretty much one of the only reasons why I didn't give up on core... Cause seriously... the bands who played before them...

A Dead Motion
Chainsaw Armageddon
Mass Murder Messiah (this band was kind of good)
Everything After Zero (that was pretty cool. You guys are gonna say they are core shit, but they still sound nice to me)

At 4/26/10 08:54 AM, Bahamut wrote:
That's just two girls listening to that band. It doesn't mean the same thing will happen to a thousand other new metal fans while the majority who are getting into metal are more likely to enjoy Metallica (the good stuff, of course) and Iron Maiden than Agalloch.

You still know what I mean. You have more chances finding real metal fans if you do not go for the most commercial bands all the time. What will most likely happen is that these kids will stick to one of these bands, let's say Maiden... become shitty fanboys and never go for anything else. I know a lot of people who are just like that. But since I've been introducing my favorite bands to my friends, they have learned a lot more about metal than what the usual 4 or 5 bands we always list did. Plus, if these people you talk to were really interrested into metal, they would already know about Iron Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth...

At 4/26/10 11:54 AM, Nev wrote: random stuff

omfg...

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 14:27:44 Reply

At 4/25/10 04:37 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:
At 4/24/10 05:34 PM, Origina-l wrote: Holy fucking shit, it's been years since i last logged in, and this topic is still alive!
I remember you. welcome back.

Orly? Cool :D
Thanks :D


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 14:29:47 Reply

At 4/26/10 06:29 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: THIS!

Vinyl chugging! It must be wonderful!

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-26 16:29:50 Reply

Hey guys. I recently found a band called Zimmer's Holer, which is a side project of 3/4 of the guys from Strapping Young Lad. I'd like to know where to start with them, but I already really like them from the couple songs I've heard from them.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 02:07:10 Reply

At 4/26/10 07:53 AM, PenisClown wrote: DAMMIT SPEEDY YOU DONT HOLD RECORDS LIKE THAT. HOLD THE EDGES WITH YOUR PALMS.

IT'S FOR DISPLAY/COLLECTING NOT FOR PLAYING FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 05:05:21 Reply

At 4/26/10 12:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You have more chances finding real metal fans if you do not go for the most commercial bands all the time.

How does that work? It's working their way up the ladder.

Plus, if these people you talk to were really interrested into metal, they would already know about Iron Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth...

Uhh, we're talking about a STARTING list for metal. Did you forget that?

At 4/27/10 02:07 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:
At 4/26/10 07:53 AM, PenisClown wrote: DAMMIT SPEEDY YOU DONT HOLD RECORDS LIKE THAT. HOLD THE EDGES WITH YOUR PALMS.
IT'S FOR DISPLAY/COLLECTING NOT FOR PLAYING FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 08:33:52 Reply

Jesus fuck what the hell happened to Twilight? They drop Malefic and the band turns into some stupid bunch of fat "My Name is Earl" looking motherfuckers with retarded facial hair.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 10:20:34 Reply

At 4/26/10 04:29 PM, Zodir wrote: Hey guys. I recently found a band called Zimmer's Holer, which is a side project of 3/4 of the guys from Strapping Young Lad. I'd like to know where to start with them, but I already really like them from the couple songs I've heard from them.

Their only really decent release is 'When You Were Shouting At The Devil...'


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 15:04:39 Reply

At 4/27/10 05:05 AM, Bahamut wrote:
At 4/26/10 12:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You have more chances finding real metal fans if you do not go for the most commercial bands all the time.
How does that work? It's working their way up the ladder.

What you will end up doing... is creating some more 80's metal fans. Those who shit on everything that is made today. The problem is that metal as evolved so much since then, that a lot of metal genres and sub-genres share very few similarities with these 80's bands. I know it's not always what happens, but I've met a lot of fanboys who really just do not want to move on to metal bands from the 90's and 2000.

Plus, if these people you talk to were really interrested into metal, they would already know about Iron Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth...
Uhh, we're talking about a STARTING list for metal. Did you forget that?

I never saw a user who woud not already be into metal (or nu-metal and metalcore) asking to join the Hell...

We are talking about making a STARTING list for the Metal Hell, and not a starting list to introduce metal to someone who never ever heard of metal music.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 15:49:23 Reply

At 4/27/10 05:05 AM, Bahamut wrote:
At 4/26/10 12:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You have more chances finding real metal fans if you do not go for the most commercial bands all the time.
How does that work? It's working their way up the ladder.

I think he means that you're more likely to find metal fans, and not casual fans of it ("Oh yeah, Iron Maiden and Metallica are the best metal ever.") if you delve deeper into metal.
I mean, let's face it. Most Metallica and Iron Maiden fans know very little about metal, and they're so attached to these bands that trying to show them other bands is a wasted effort.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 15:56:15 Reply

Yo, if you guys have trouble making a starting list, let me decide for you.

Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Autopsy - Severed Survival or Mental Funeral
Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
Immolation - Close to a World Below
Timeghoul - EVERYTHING (Seriously, they only released two demos.)
Manilla Road - Crystal Logic (and pretty much everything else)
Metal Church - S/T
Raven - Rock Until You Drop
Carcass - The Reek of Putrefaction (Heartwork is a pile of flashy guitar hero shit)
Witchkiller - Day of the Saxons EP
Master's Hammer - Ritual
Blue Cheer - VincebusEruptum
Bolt Thrower - In Battle There is no Law
Cirith Ungol - Frost and Fire
Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon

You may have noticed that my list comprises mainly death metal, and there's two reasons for it. I fucking love it, and second, most of you really don't know anything about it. Anyway, feel free to add onto it if you accept my list guys.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 16:42:07 Reply

At 4/27/10 03:49 PM, Dalnaki wrote:
I mean, let's face it. Most Metallica and Iron Maiden fans know very little about metal, and they're so attached to these bands that trying to show them other bands is a wasted effort.

That.

At 4/27/10 03:56 PM, Dalnaki wrote:
You may have noticed that my list comprises mainly death metal, and there's two reasons for it. I fucking love it, and second, most of you really don't know anything about it. Anyway, feel free to add onto it if you accept my list guys.

Well, not that Death Metal is not good. In fact, it's pretty much my favorite metal genre.
My favorite death metal bands:

Benighted
Blood Red Throne
Blotted Science (kind of death metalish...)
Brain drill
Cannibal Corpse
Cryptopsy
Cynic
Decapitated
Decrepit Birth
Deeds Of Flesh
Krisiun
Kronos
Nile
Origin
Panzerchrist
Quo Vadis
Spawn Of Possession
Suffocation
Vader

I mean... I know a few death metal bands... but I don't think death metal is the best genre to start with. It's very complexe, progression is really fast, time signatures are confusing and that's just a few reasons why it's hard to start with Death Metal.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 17:42:00 Reply

At 4/27/10 04:42 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 4/27/10 03:49 PM, Dalnaki wrote:
I mean, let's face it. Most Metallica and Iron Maiden fans know very little about metal, and they're so attached to these bands that trying to show them other bands is a wasted effort.
That.

What is annoying is how you ask a "poser" Iron Maiden fan "hey dude who do you think is the best vocalist?" "dude it's totally bruce dickinson!!" "cool, so who's your favorite bass player??" "dude it's totally steve harris" ":S".
Not to mention that they mostly only know those two guys, but when they do know the names of the other people, they'll just say everyone from IM. :S Not that most bands don't have that already, but it's usually with Iron Maiden..

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 17:51:41 Reply

At 4/27/10 04:42 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

:I mean... I know a few death metal bands... but I don't think death metal is the best genre to start with.

Death metal is pretty much the only thing I consider myself an expert on. As for the rest of metal, eh, I've picked up a few things.

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 18:42:10 Reply

I'm with Bahamut on this 100%.

Duff, you said no one comes in here not knowing anythign about Metal. Not true, there are plenty people who come in here all 'OMG I LOVE BULLET AND STATIC X!' They're the people who need those recommendations. People who have the basics, but not enough can they take advantage of the other names on the list.

As for creating "80's Metalheads" thats nonsence. If they take on board the bands we introduce to them and then stick around, more than likely they will look into the new stuff we talk about. When I joined I only listened to stuff like Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth. I believe there is a difference between people who only listen to Maiden and people who come in here. No one in here listens to that sort of generic stuff anymore. That mindset will leak onto others.

Thirdly, Death Metal is shite, telling someone to listen to 20 Death Metal bands is just going to put them off if they don't like it. Giving people a mixture of old, new, Powerprogdeathblackdoomheavyetc is way preferable. Not loads of one thing, but cover all the bases.

Finally, Bahamut, did you forget to put Manowar on your list? I think you did... for shame :P.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:03:52 Reply

At 4/27/10 06:42 PM, Nev wrote: I'm with Bahamut on this 100%.

Duff, you said no one comes in here not knowing anythign about Metal. Not true, there are plenty people who come in here all 'OMG I LOVE BULLET AND STATIC X!' They're the people who need those recommendations. People who have the basics, but not enough can they take advantage of the other names on the list.

I said, people who join ask to join usually already know about metal (or nu-metal or metalcore)
As I fucking told you before, a lot of people from the core scene consider themselves as a part of the metal scene. They do not see core and metal as two separate genres, they see the different core genres as sub-genres of metal. We, like all groups in the history of humanity, have putted our own limits and definitions of metal. So the Metal Hell's views of metal, are not shared with all metalheads communities. So Static X and BFMV may not be metal for you, but those who join the hell can think they are.

Also you should know that a few metal bands are well appreciated by the scene kids. It's a common thing to see Megadeth, Iron Maiden and Metallica t-shirts at core shows. So when these kids want to join the Hell, most of them already know about these bands.

As for creating "80's Metalheads" thats nonsence. If they take on board the bands we introduce to them and then stick around, more than likely they will look into the new stuff we talk about. When I joined I only listened to stuff like Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth. I believe there is a difference between people who only listen to Maiden and people who come in here. No one in here listens to that sort of generic stuff anymore. That mindset will leak onto others.

That's for those who stick around, cause a lot of these kids, just end up leaving because we do not discuss Pantera enough. Remember that kid, a few months ago who went around saying we sucked cause Pantera was the best shit ever. You have to understand Nev, that this is very common for fans of Iron Maiden, Metallican, Megadeth, Pantera and the old bands, to stick to only one band and critize the whole metal scene, saying it's random blasting with puke vocals and not artistic value.

And you cannot say it's non-sense, another guy approoved what I said. I'm not the only one who thinks there is a lot of these kids who end up talking about the "true metal" and how modern metal sucks.

And you take the regulars of the Hell as representative of the metal community. We are a very small group, we have precise definitions of what metal is. And believe it or not, it's not easy to join the Metal Hell, cause we are elitists. We have our views on what is and what is not metal. And we also have our views on what good metal is and what bad metal is. You should already know that Melodeath is not the most welcome subgenre of metal in here. That's the best example.

Thirdly, Death Metal is shite, telling someone to listen to 20 Death Metal bands is just going to put them off if they don't like it. Giving people a mixture of old, new, Powerprogdeathblackdoomheavyetc is way preferable. Not loads of one thing, but cover all the bases.

Well, if you read my post properly... you would have understood that I was saying the exact same thing your saying...
I told the guy that making a list composed entirely of death metal was a bad idea. Mixing the old and new stuff would still be a good idea. And this is why there was Megadeth, Black Sabbath and Motorhead on my original list. You need to read my posts better Nev. Instead of trying to find flaws in everything I say.


Finally, Bahamut, did you forget to put Manowar on your list? I think you did... for shame :P.

Fuck no... for our own fucking sake!

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:17:00 Reply

At 4/27/10 06:42 PM, Nev wrote: I'm with Bahamut on this 100%.
As for creating "80's Metalheads" thats nonsence. If they take on board the bands we introduce to them and then stick around, more than likely they will look into the new stuff we talk about. When I joined I only listened to stuff like Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth. I believe there is a difference between people who only listen to Maiden and people who come in here. No one in here listens to that sort of generic stuff anymore. That mindset will leak onto others.

Yeah, I really got into metal through the 80s bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden. Then I slowly moved up to heavier stuff, like Slayer, Sepultura, Possessed, Testament, and Death. It's just sort of a naturaul progression. Iron Maiden is still my favorite band, but I've broadened my taste in metal. You can't expect everyone to like Death Metal and Black Metal to start off with, and 80s heavy metal (even the heaviest stuff of the time) is far more accessible and easier to get into than most death metal bands and black metal. Me, and the rest of my metal listening friends/family, all agree that the heavier stuff is an acquired taste, and so you start slowly and build up to the heavy stuff.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:27:44 Reply

At 4/27/10 07:03 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Also you should know that a few metal bands are well appreciated by the scene kids. It's a common thing to see Megadeth, Iron Maiden and Metallica t-shirts at core shows. So when these kids want to join the Hell, most of them already know about these bands.

Well then if they post a list of Core bands and then know/like all/enough of the bands on the starter list, they can get in. It's also a case of making people aware of what we consider Metal, as well as introducing people to bands they MAY not be familiar with.

You have to understand Nev, that this is very common for fans of Iron Maiden, Metallican, Megadeth, Pantera and the old bands, to stick to only one band and critize the whole metal scene, saying it's random blasting with puke vocals and not artistic value.

Maybe so (honestly I consider it more of a Pantera thing than the other three :P), but they can just get fucked. Not everyone will react like they guy did, and they will be the ones who are welcome.

You need to read my posts better Nev. Instead of trying to find flaws in everything I say.

I'm not trying to find flaws in what you say, I'm just saying I agree with Bahamut. He kept it simple, and thats what these people need. Metal has a learning curve, for a lot of people its difficult to jump into Death Metal and Avant-Garde Metal. Theres a reason Metallica and co have a reputation as good introductions to Metal. Its cause they are. If the basic stuff doesn't appeal to them, they can check out some of the more obscure, heavy, progressive, technical stuff to see if that appeals to them.

Fuck no... for our own fucking sake!

Pfft, you ain't Metal if you don't like Manowar :P.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:31:34 Reply

At 4/27/10 07:17 PM, Zodir wrote:

and 80s heavy metal (even the heaviest stuff of the time) is far more accessible and easier to get into than most death metal bands and black metal.

Wait....I have to edit that statement. I forgot about Sodom and Bathory, OK. What it should say is that 80s heavy metal overrall is far more accessible and easier to get into. My bad.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:38:03 Reply

I thought the list was for Metal Hell, and not metal beginners. That's why I made the list mostly dm.
Shame on me for misunderstanding, right guys?

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-04-27 19:40:52 Reply

At 4/27/10 07:38 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I thought the list was for Metal Hell, and not metal beginners. That's why I made the list mostly dm.
Shame on me for misunderstanding, right guys?

Also, it's a bit weird that I'm getting flamed for my list choices... when I was, you know, the only one to make a list that didn't deal with shit like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Metallica.