Bin Laden offers Europe truce

[Salato]

In a new audiotape by Osama Bin Laden he offered Europe three months to forge a truce, although this could be extended.
The truce would begin when "the last soldier" leaves "our countries", it added. The offer of truce was no however extended to the America. European countries have so far rejected the offer that the tape gave.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3627775.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3628069.stm

Should European countries listen to this offer? After all Britain now deals with many former members and leaders of the IRA in Ireland. Or should European countries stay strong against Al-Qaeda and stay with America in the War on Terror, as this tape may just be to try and weaken alliances?

[RedSkunk]

At 4/15/04 01:36 PM, Salato wrote: Or should European countries stay strong against Al-Qaeda and stay with America in the War on Terror

I believe that Europe should properly fight against organized terrorist organizations.

[Der-Ubermensch]

It's much too late now to even be thinking of withdawing, much less to do so as a result of threats. This new kidnapping trend should only highten the reolve of countries battling to bring an end to the excess of violence in the middle east.

[lapslf]

Dunno, i read the whole thing, and I'd have to say, this guy has a point some times. What he's asking is to pull the troops out of Iraq and stop supporting Bush. Two things of which I'm in favor.

[Grim]

At 4/15/04 01:36 PM, Salato wrote:
Should European countries listen to this offer? After all Britain now deals with many former members and leaders of the IRA in Ireland. Or should European countries stay strong against Al-Qaeda and stay with America in the War on Terror, as this tape may just be to try and weaken alliances?

Just a thought, but didn't Hitler also offer a truce/non-aggression pact to most countries surrounding Germany before invading them.

[FRIMA]

Hello. I think we should stay strong . We are not in Iraq or Afghanistan because of America but because of the people there.

[lapslf]

At 4/15/04 02:03 PM, FRIMA wrote: Hello. I think we should stay strong . We are not in Iraq or Afghanistan because of America but because of the people there.

You're Belgian, so I don't think "we" is the right word for you to use. Your country was smart enough not to join in.

[darkphantom]

We are there becasue Iraq has WMD's that saddam planned to use agienst us... or so the urban myth gose...

[Th-e]

Bin Laden never offers truces to anybody , let alone the US. I guess even terrorist masterminds have a sense of humor???

[BeFell]

If Bin Laden was serious about not attacking countries that pull their troops out then why is he trying to bomb France?

[lapslf]

At 4/15/04 02:43 PM, BeSkvnk wrote: If Bin Laden was serious about not attacking countries that pull their troops out then why is he trying to bomb France?

Is he?

[snozzberry-clock]

Seems like he's a bit scared of Europe now, doesn't it? I will bet anyone any sum of money that US forces will capture him about a week before the presidential election.

[BeFell]

At 4/15/04 02:57 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 4/15/04 02:43 PM, BeSkvnk wrote: If Bin Laden was serious about not attacking countries that pull their troops out then why is he trying to bomb France?

Is he?

The best source I am willing to put the effort into finding

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=117689

[bombkangaroo]

i don't think any sane person would trust osama.
only a matter of days after the spanish "capitulation" there was a blast in a block of flats/apartments. terrorists cannot be trusted.

and frankly i don't know what we're doing dealing with those IRA scum. if it were up to me we'de come down on them like a bunker buster.

[Dagodevas]

Sounds like the terrorist network is getting desperate. But I don't know why they would be scared of Europe (well, except for the UK that is). Most of the European nations involved in the war are barely in it. Some nations don't even have enough troops in the Middle East to rival the number of kids that went to my High School.

Personally, I don't think they should take it (and from what I'm reading, they won't). This isn't an offer for peace, it's an offer to make the war easier for them (the terrorist organizations). If it was an offer of peace, the United States would have been involved. Besides, it's not like that it's going to stop terrorism if they do pull out. France didn't go to war, but they are still being threatened with terrorism over their own political matters.

[RedSkunk]

At 4/15/04 03:05 PM, BeSkvnk wrote: The best source I am willing to put the effort into finding
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=117689

You fail. Only a notch above Fox News.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/15/04 01:36 PM, Salato wrote: r should European countries stay strong against Al-Qaeda and stay with America in the War on Terror, as this tape may just be to try and weaken alliances?

Bullshit. Forge a Truce, I say. No sense in fighting, when theres Peace being offerrred to you.

[RedSkunk]

At 4/15/04 07:15 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Bullshit. Forge a Truce, I say. No sense in fighting, when theres Peace being offerrred to you.

*shakes head sadly*

bum bum bum..

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/15/04 07:19 PM, RedSkvnk wrote: bum bum bum..

What?

[RedSkunk]

At 4/15/04 07:27 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: What?

Al-Qaeda aren't levelheaded people. They wouldn't sign a 'truce' with Europe.

Europeans are just as much on their agenda as Americans are.

It would be stupid to 'do this'.

Spain has the right idea - deal with actual terrorists.

[TheSerf]

I think you're all missing the point of Bin Laden's offer...it's not because he's scared of Europe, it's because he wants to split the Alliance...
I think that it would be good though because the psychopathic Bush might get a friggin' reality check if he was in there ny himself.
Sorry, if he was just in there with us...the good ol' land down under, with the only leader able to rival Bush's idiocy

[The-Darklands]

At 4/15/04 03:09 PM, bombkangaroo wrote:

and frankly i don't know what we're doing dealing with those IRA scum. if it were up to me we'de come down on them like a bunker buster.

its such a shame to see what happened to the IRA after the successful revolution in 3 parts but not north Ireland. They went from trying to free the people to straight out murder.

[Fiend-Lore]

i think their is somthing behind all of this. because if we really wanted to, osama could have easily of been defeated a long time ago. We probaly already know where he is. But some how, somewhere, someone is making money.

[TheShrike]

At 4/15/04 01:36 PM, Salato wrote: Should European countries listen to this offer? After all Britain now deals with many former members and leaders of the IRA in Ireland. Or should European countries stay strong against Al-Qaeda and stay with America in the War on Terror, as this tape may just be to try and weaken alliances?

Seeing as how I'm american, I guess I'm a bit biased. They shouldn't even consider it. Al Qaida won't relent, there will be no true truce.

Oh wait, I'm not biased. That's just the way it is. You can't trust Osama any more than you can trust Bush.

[RedSkunk]

At 4/16/04 02:05 AM, TheShrike wrote: You can't trust Osama any more than you can trust Bush.

I just read a short little biography about Bin-Laden somewhere, and it was quite interesting. He's very quiet, very intelligent, and fairly eloquent. Devout. Four wives & fifteen children I believe?

Oh, but I guess he has his agendas too. But why is it that all of these 'enemy' leaders are always very intelligent? Kim Jong-Il is brilliant.

[hired-goon]

Just before the election, "Bin Laden" will be captured and paraded on TV. The actor that plays him will be payed off, shaved, and sent to live the rest of his days in his ranch in Canada. The people will vote Bush in. Everybody wins!

Not only would it be stupid for Europe to trust this bloke (will he keep his word, does he even exist, is he in charge of every militant, etc) but even if they wanted to, it would take them decades to talk about it and agree on something. But on top of all that, who would want to bargain with terrorists? It's admitting defeat. Maybe we could talk if these were reasonable people, but they lost all credability when they executed that Italian.

Also, why would European leaders want to save lives by pulling out of Iraq, when they'd pay the price of economic sanctions from the US? And I say "save lives", but when it's just the US left in that country, loads more American soldiers will die.

I don't know, but I think it would be stupid to show Bin Laden (and the world) that he can command entire continents to do his bidding.

[D2Kvirus]

Whoa whoa WHOA!!! Again we have an alleged tape of Ob-L (have you seen it, 'cause it hasn't been on the BBC), again managing to state there are "links" between Iraq and al-Qu'ida, which have been proven to be beyond a sick joke time and again, which are mainly perpetrated at convenient times - and are soon tossed aside quite inexplicably. Sort of like news stories that aren't worth the ink (or paper) they're printed on.

After all, what happened to that e-mail sent from a British cell of al-Queda (yes, the spelling changes so often these days I have to use as many as possible), stating that "We are please that Spain are pulling their troops from Iraq. However, Britain, Australia and Saudi Arabia will soon feel our wrath if they do not do similar" (or something like that)? Shouldn't that have been HUGE worldwide news? But, alas, it was a legend in it's own lunchtime. However, if you plaster Osama's face on it, then it gets credence...but why? Again, in reference to Madrid, why were some papers so crass to have a picture of the bombed-out trains with a photo of Osama next to them, when there was (and is) no proof to say he was responsible? By the way, this week it was drug dealers that did it.

Naturally, it was turned down in a heartbeat by all and sundry. But you have tio wonder if it was because of who he is/was, or to placate the US by not backing down at this point. Again, it's convenient - just as foreign aid workers are leaving in droves, and public opinion is stating that The People want their troops home, up pops a tape allegedly of Osama to try and sway opinion the other way. besides, how many countries are willing to pull out their troops anyway, but won't because they'll be accused of siding with TERRORISTS!!! in doing so?

[afijsohfan]

In my humble opinion, i think Osama offering peace is a possible sign of weakness, and i think if we keep our forces in Iraq, and keep searching for him, we will eventually find him. Plus there is the whole policy of not negotiating with terrorists.

[FRIMA]

because
- the guy speaks about Europe
-i'm dutch

[FRIMA]

At 4/16/04 11:28 AM, FRIMA wrote: because
- the guy speaks about Europe
-i'm dutch

sorry that wa an answer to veggiemeal