Pro-life vs Pro-choice, but really it's Protestants vs Catholics. With the Protestants being the pro-choice and the Catholics being pro-life.
Why not all it like it is America? Another stupid argument caused by religion.
I... what? Please tell me this is a joke. Religious? Yes. Protestants vs Catholics? REALLY?
Well yeah. Catholics being against abortion and contraception is where the pro-life argument stems from. Protestantism is a breakaway from Catholicism they don't take orders from the Pope and views like that have been rejected.
I'm atheist and pro-abortion, so this argument is totally invalid.
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At 1/15/11 12:37 AM, camobch0 wrote: I'm atheist and pro-abortion, so this argument is totally invalid.
No its not, your a neutral thats taken a side.
Yeah, but the abortion debate isn't just religious. I know plenty of catholics that are pro-choice and plenty of protestants that are pro-life. This thread is pointless. Just like every debate ever, you can't lump different groups entirely into a category. Individual peoples views differ greatly in specific groups.
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Yeah, because mainline Anglicans are so much like Primitive Baptists that it's easy to lump the two into the same category, yeah that makes a lotta sense. What? Eric Rudolph bombed abortion clinics and wasn't Catholic? preposterous! This guy are sick
At 1/14/11 11:28 PM, Jon-86 wrote: the Protestants being the pro-choice
No. Fundamentalist Christians in America are Protestant. There are Catholics in America who base most of their political beliefs on their religion, but they have a whole church system above them, so, unlike Protestants, they don't get swept up in every passing political fad; you could probably take a Catholic from 100 years ago and a Catholic today and they would agree on some political things, but try that with Protestants (or at least ones who see their religion as anything more than a useful tool to build social capital) and they'd be at each other's throats in an instant. Anyway, most of those Catholics, as far as I can tell, are Distributists, because Pope Leo XIII said some things that naturally lead in that direction, and Distributists are far saner than every other political group in America when they're not busy being pretentious.
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I would argue you, but any point I would make has already been made, so I'll just say "You best be trollin'" and move on.
I'm an atheist and I am against abortion.
Your friendly neighbourhood devils advocate.
Really? So the abortion debate not only exists soley within the Christian denomination but between 2 schools of thought within that?
That shits some crazy, 1970's N. Ireland Troubles mentality right there.
I'm in the minority here when I say this, but I am actually for pro-death.
At 1/15/11 12:46 AM, camobch0 wrote: Yeah, but the abortion debate isn't just religious. I know plenty of catholics that are pro-choice
So their going against the teachings of their own church? I hope the ones you know aren't the preachy type. But yeah tell me more about them.
Just like every debate ever, you can't lump different groups entirely into a category. Individual peoples views differ greatly in specific groups.
Who said anything about individual views? The catholic church is anti-abortion and anti-contraception. This is a view widely upheld by many of its followers, to the extent that priests say to Africans having aids is not as bad as using condoms.
And if ideas as stupid as that were not put into peoples heads by religions, their would be less people getting worked up about this issue in general, if at all.
At 1/15/11 01:34 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: No. Fundamentalist Christians in America are Protestant. There are Catholics in America who base most of their political beliefs on their religi] ... [pital) and they'd be at each other's throats in an instant.
Assuming America is still a protestant majority I'm not surprised. The "Glorious reformation" in Britain is what turned it into a protestant country. So the colonies were also protestant countries. But America broke away so was no longer under direct control of the royal family. So while most still use the King James Bible (whos translation is officially recognised by the royals) American reverends are more free to teach and preach as they see fit. Meaning you don't have the same hierarchy as the Church of England for example!
So its no surprise to me protestants in America today would be different and varied. But the fact still remains, as I've already said, pro-life comes from catholic teachings and is widely adopted by its followers.
Anyway, most of those Catholics, as far as I can tell, are Distributists, because Pope Leo XIII said some things that naturally lead in that direction, and Distributists are far saner than every other political group in America when they're not busy being pretentious.
Thats interesting! Tell me more about them if you can!
At 1/15/11 05:07 AM, altanese-mistress wrote: I would argue you, but any point I would make has already been made, so I'll just say "You best be trollin'" and move on.
Nope I created this thread, specifically here, on this specific site for a reason.
At 1/15/11 10:13 AM, Chris-V2 wrote: Really? So the abortion debate not only exists soley within the Christian denomination but between 2 schools of thought within that?
Who said its exclusive to Christians? Not me. I just know thats where one side of the argument undoubtedly comes from. The opposition to it is typically protestant. Just saying it like I see it and asking if its true.
That shits some crazy, 1970's N. Ireland Troubles mentality right there.
C'mon now. I'm not that old (I was born in the 80s) and this topic has literally zero relevance to that conflict. What kinda stupid comment s that to hit out with?
At 1/15/11 09:08 AM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: I'm an atheist and I am against abortion.
Again you have taken a side. Just like the atheist who is pro abortion and posted above you.
Because, and wait for it. We "atheist" honestly don't care one way or another. When it comes to religion. No sin effects us and we don't care if we go to heaven or hell..... S'all good in the hood!
Okay, I didn't want to post anymore. I really didn't, but this is bordering on stupid territory.
At 1/16/11 07:56 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Nope I created this thread, specifically here, on this specific site for a reason.
And... that reason... is to troll some people?
At 1/15/11 10:13 AM, Chris-V2 wrote:Who said its exclusive to Christians? Not me.
But you brought up JUST Christian 'sides', and claim that the athiests who are against abortion have taken the side of the Catholics.
I just know thats where one side of the argument undoubtedly comes from.
Why do you assume that pro-life arguments were entirely invinted by the Catholic church?
The opposition to it is typically protestant.
I don't think Protestant means what you think it means.
Just saying it like I see it and asking if its true.
Oh, is that all? Well the simple answer is that no, it is not true. I assume we're done here?
At 1/15/11 12:42 AM, Jon-86 wrote:At 1/15/11 12:37 AM, camobch0 wrote: I'm atheist and pro-abortion, so this argument is totally invalid.No its not, your a neutral thats taken a side.
Ur an idiot....
Typical american thought that ur group is the only one "america is the world" lol, there are other groups religious or not, and i dont think that all catholics and all protestants thinks the same way.
Aside that it shouldnt be seen as a religious or moral issue, it should be seen with logic, its like saying "u can kill ppl fron certain age" murdering a 40 years old means life prison, a 30years old 20 years, a 20 years old 10years and a 10 years old its called choice... ye the "choice" of killing someone.
I dont say that abortion should be legal or illegal but if it is also murder should be, they are not independent stuff.
And btw this topic has been seen here many times, u could write there instead of makng a new post
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At 1/15/11 12:42 AM, Jon-86 wrote:At 1/15/11 12:37 AM, camobch0 wrote: I'm atheist and pro-abortion, so this argument is totally invalid.No its not, your a neutral thats taken a side.
I'm a catholic that's pro-abortion. Where does that leave me?
And yes, of course I knew how my religion feels about this subject. But adopting all the views of your religion like a blind bat makes you an idiot.
I usually frequent the VG and collaboration Forums. If you find me anywhere else, I'm lost and can't find my way back.
At 1/16/11 09:51 AM, altanese-mistress wrote:At 1/16/11 07:56 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Nope I created this thread, specifically here, on this specific site for a reason.And... that reason... is to troll some people?
No, I've already said its not. The reason is to better understand why this has become such a big argument in America. I dont really care what side someone takes as were not debating the argument here. I want to know how this argument has become so divisive in American society!
The reply's I'm getting will hopefully give me an insight. But the replies from religious people in particular I have other uses for!
But you brought up JUST Christian 'sides', and claim that the athiests who are against abortion have taken the side of the Catholics.At 1/15/11 10:13 AM, Chris-V2 wrote:Who said its exclusive to Christians? Not me.
I brought that up as thats how I see it, thats how it would translate if it actually mattered over here. Atheists are taking a side because they themselves have hopefully made a free and independent choice. Where as a person who has been brought up in a religious house will be taught one way or another how they should think and what they should believe!
I just know thats where one side of the argument undoubtedly comes from.Why do you assume that pro-life arguments were entirely invinted by the Catholic church?
They are the biggest advocates of it and have preaching it for hundreds of years. Unless you have another source as to where this view in particular might have come from? If you do I would like to hear it.
The opposition to it is typically protestant.I don't think Protestant means what you think it means.
I know the how, why and when of where protestantism in America came from. I've already posted that information in this thread. So yeah I know what a protestant is.
Just saying it like I see it and asking if its true.Oh, is that all? Well the simple answer is that no, it is not true. I assume we're done here?
Why because you say so? Were far from done. And you have given me next to no information, so it would be nice if you could post something useful next time.
At 1/16/11 12:06 PM, kakalxlax wrote: And btw this topic has been seen here many times, u could write there instead of makng a new post
Read the thread first! Understand what its about Then your welcome to post again.
At 1/19/11 12:29 AM, Gustavos wrote: I'm a catholic that's pro-abortion. Where does that leave me?
And yes, of course I knew how my religion feels about this subject. But adopting all the views of your religion like a blind bat makes you an idiot.
So why do you consider yourself a catholic? Why not define yourself as simply a christian? A catholic believes specific things, upholds specific values. By all accounts you believe in sinful practice. So your right where dose that leave you? Seriously questioning your faith I hope.
At 1/19/11 12:47 AM, Jon-86 wrote:At 1/19/11 12:29 AM, Gustavos wrote: I'm a catholic that's pro-abortion. Where does that leave me?So why do you consider yourself a catholic? Why not define yourself as simply a christian? A catholic believes specific things, upholds specific values. By all accounts you believe in sinful practice. So your right where dose that leave you? Seriously questioning your faith I hope.
And yes, of course I knew how my religion feels about this subject. But adopting all the views of your religion like a blind bat makes you an idiot.
That's an honest question. You see, most Catholics are born into the faith. People who "find God" are usually Protestant. Starting around age 8, a Catholic child may go through their first Communion at the local church. It's a formal ceremony that permanently inducts a person into the Catholic faith, at least through the eyes of God. It also gives me liberty to raise my children Catholic right from birth. Me and my family left the church right after I was communed, so I didn't learn much more than that. In fact, most of what I know is probably incorrect as it is information I acquired 8 years ago.
Looking at some of the things the Catholic Church, or the Pope has said over the years, I'd say Catholicism is the only religion I hate, as it is the only religion I've experienced. I'll leave it up to my future wife to decide what religion to teach our kids, but they sure as hell aren't gonna be Catholic. If religion is all about being taught how to act and how to think, then I want no part of it. There's easier ways to make yourself and others do the right thing. A religion shouldn't be comparable to a regime.
I usually frequent the VG and collaboration Forums. If you find me anywhere else, I'm lost and can't find my way back.
Jon-86 this stuff about views on abortion only being learned in religious households is frankly bollocks. All children learn and observe from their enviroment and the level of dogma is more determined on an individual family level than on a spiritual one. Many families will only talk about abortion in a negative tone regardless of denomination and the child's views will be effected by that - but that does not mean the child will in turn be a pro-lifer.
I'm from a Catholic family, I'm pro-abortion. Some people make their own minds up.
And this binary catholic vs. protestant mentality is exactly what I'm talking about - it is a symptom of post colonial anger. There's no other explanation as to why someone would assume that it's the form of Christianity you follow that determines the viewpoint despite both Churches being pro-life!
At 1/15/11 12:46 AM, camobch0 wrote: Yeah, but the abortion debate isn't just religious. I know plenty of catholics that are pro-choice and plenty of protestants that are pro-life. This thread is pointless. Just like every debate ever, you can't lump different groups entirely into a category. Individual peoples views differ greatly in specific groups.
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DON'T MAKE UP FACTS TO VALIDATE YOUR OWN POINT.
And btw this topic has been seen here many times, u could write there instead of makng a new postRead the thread first! Understand what its about Then your welcome to post again.
Im always welcomed to post, like it or not, and i dd read them, urs only have the difference of starting from an even more false point
Its only rape if you say no.
Say no to rape.
Someone misinterpreted Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" Protestant vs. Catholic scene.
I can say without a doubt in my mind that Jon86's deduction about Catholics being pro-life and Protestants being pro-choice is faulty.
While yes, the offical Catholic stance on abortion is considered wrong and immoral, but that doesn't mean that all Catholics are pro-life, contrary to popular opinion. Likewise, many Protestant faiths {most notably in America}, tend to be pro-life much like the Catholics, but there are many who are pro-choice and are proud of that.
The problem is that when you lump a group of people of the same faith, you would assume that they would think alike, and that simply isn't the case. Basically, you're trying to stir up more trouble between Catholics and Protestants, and I don't think we or Northern Ireland needs any more of that.
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At 1/14/11 11:28 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Pro-life vs Pro-choice, but really it's Protestants vs Catholics. With the Protestants being the pro-choice and the Catholics being pro-life.
Generally speaking the majority of all Christians are Pro-Life, regardless of being Protestant or Catholic. At least thats what its like here in the south, if you're a Christian then you must be Pro-Life, white, middle-class, and have eight children.
Most protestants I have encountered are pro life.
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