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Alright, this is a request for artists, I'm not looking for just one, I need a group of artists for this project. I want to turn a story that I have written into a comic, and I need artists to help me do so. What I need are:

Concept/Sketch Artist
Landscape/Background Artist
Colorization Artist
Lead Artist

Now I have someone for concept art, but I'm not sure if he'll actually be able to work on this for now. I'll have to contact him soon, though I don't think that he'll be available for it. I want to make this comic and submit it to eigoMANGA. They help independent comic makers get their work distributed, and the creators retain all rights to the material. The only catch with them is that the comic has to be at least three issues in before they are willing to help.

Unfortunately, I can't offer money, but I will undoubtedly shared the credit equally in this endeavor. If I had an artistic hand, I would have done it myself a while ago, but I'm not talented in that fashion, which is why I'm asking for help. The only catch to this is that I want it to be known that the story is my originally idea and that I be the one to make all of the decisions regarding the comic.

Now as for the story, well, I can give you a brief summary, this is quoted from a posting I made in the writing section trying to get opinions on my story. This is my revised summary because my other one was horrible.

Following two young men, Andre Ratchford and Deonta Robinson, through their struggle with their inner darkness and emotions. A Japanese man by the name of Sasuke Soshimatsu, one of the World's richest men, as well as known martial artists, has taken an interest in the boys for the similarity between their powers. Having researched, Sasuke feels that they are the best candidates for his next evolution as a fighter. Thrusting Andre and Deonta into an uncontrollable situation, bound by the beast within themselves. As they fight to regain themselves, Sasuke plots and plans, only to the satisfaction of making himself stronger, feeding the dark energies that move his being. After drawing out the dark creatures from within the boys, he gets himself ready to face them, fueling his desire for the darkness within. The story is set in the Washington, DC Metropolitan Area, May of the year 2006, the battle for their conscious minds.........begins.

This story is very similar in concept to the likes of Street Fighter and Fatal Fury, but with younger characters and a bit more attitude. The style that I'm hoping to create it in would be Manga, but as look as it's really well detailed, it doesn't matter much. The story actually started out as a video game concept, but I eventually decided to actually write it out and make it as series, the second installment I am currently working on.

The first story, however can be found here:
Bloodstorm: The Potential Within

If you are interested in working on this with me, please pm me or reply here with what you'd like to do. Once I have together my "team", I'll collect everyone's email addresses, and we'll get things started. I'll have to actually visit some of the places that are in my story and take pictures for whoever does the landscape to draw them. I'm not looking for more than maybe 6 or 7 people to work on this project with me. Thanks for reading this long winded post, and have a nice day.

Sure ill help!

JK

At 1/6/11 02:43 PM, homojesus wrote: Sure ill help!

JK

You're posts are very quick to the point.

I could really use help on this project. If I was able to draw the characters and stuff myself, it would have been submitted to eigoMANGA over a year ago, and would be in comic book shops and book stores. Anyone that is interested, please let me know.

I think perhaps the reason why nobody is wanting to help is:

1. You're not offering any remuneration for their services.
2. You're kinda... Based on the example you gave, your writing isn't very good.

For example. Your dialogue is pretty terrible. It ranges from unnaturalistic to downright nonsensical.

"Leave me alone!!! I really don't want to be bothered right now, go somewhere!!!"

For one, overuse of exclamation marks really makes it look amateurish. Also "go somewhere"? What sort of a thing is that to say?

"Who bit you in the ass!? I just came to talk, stop being so damn bitchy!"
"Oh, I'll show your punk ass bitchy alright."

This would be bad dialogue in a porn movie.

Also everybody is shouting all the time. Crazy.

Plus, seriously? Bloodstorm? One: BloodStorm is already the name of a fighting video game. Two: That's just... A really terrible name.

Sorry if I offend you. But as I read the storyline, I see the complete lack of women in the story. Plus this "Sasuke" guy takes interest in two young boys? Sounds very gay to me. Very Gay indeed. I think it would be better if Sasuke was a woman or something. Or at least add some women who are very significant to the story. And make them twins or something who wield different abilities.

I don't know. Maybe a childhood friend of the two guys that they both have an interest on. And the girl can't decide who she likes moar at first. Which becomes the cause of rivalry and bitterness between the two. Thus competing with each other. And then the girl ends up liking one better than the other for some reason. Either because he is weaker and always gets beaten up by the other guy and she becomes very concerned about that other guy. And the other guy is vain and always looks down at the other one. Maybe something like that.

And then the vain guy becomes emo and depressed and turns completely evil because of virgin rage. And then goes over to the dark side to destroy his brother and take the girl for himself. Lol rape. In his the midst of his angst he meets some mysterious woman. Who becomes interested in the growing gayness I mean darkness inside him. She then offers to be some sort of partner and signs a contract to grant him dark power. Lol. And it's up to you what happens next.

And by the way, grant the two women powers of some sort. Mages, oracles or whatever. So they become a companion for each twin. And make sure to add a lot of plot twist which will give mindfucks to viewers. And change the title. It sounds very bland.

Ignore the above post. I didn't read the full part. There are women. Yup. But the story is still very bland. Boring as hell to be exact. Put in more flavourful adjectives or adverbs. To make it interesting. If I were to base my artwork here I think it wouldn't come out very good.

I didn't realize how much crap my brain has. Maybe I should start my own gay series. Lol.

At 1/9/11 02:30 AM, Aigis wrote: I think perhaps the reason why nobody is wanting to help is:

1. You're not offering any remuneration for their services.
2. You're kinda... Based on the example you gave, your writing isn't very good.

For example. Your dialogue is pretty terrible. It ranges from unnaturalistic to downright nonsensical.

"Leave me alone!!! I really don't want to be bothered right now, go somewhere!!!"

For one, overuse of exclamation marks really makes it look amateurish. Also "go somewhere"? What sort of a thing is that to say?

"Who bit you in the ass!? I just came to talk, stop being so damn bitchy!"
"Oh, I'll show your punk ass bitchy alright."

This would be bad dialogue in a porn movie.

Also everybody is shouting all the time. Crazy.

Plus, seriously? Bloodstorm? One: BloodStorm is already the name of a fighting video game. Two: That's just... A really terrible name.

I get your critique, and honestly, there are some really corny things in this story, but it's also the first story in a long line-up. I don't like starting out with my best material, it's a build up. If you read a book or see a movie of show where the best parts happen first, you tend to end up not liking it, at least that's how I am. But thanks for taking the time to read it. And the conversation, I have a friend who actually speaks like that, which the character is based off of, that's why she speaks that way. It's more developed further into the story, and the second installment that I'm working on. I know Bloodstorm is already a video game, but just as with music, games, and movies, there can be things that have the same name and be completely different. The name may not be the best thing out there, but lots of series have slightly less than great names and go far, like for instance Street Fighter. The name of the story for that game truly has nothing to do with the actual plot, which plenty of people like. To say "go somewhere" is just another brush off, a very rude one, it's probably not something that you would hear because you most likely aren't from the same area as I am. And my offering of remuneration is 1) shared credit, 2) equal splitting of any potential revenue, and 3) helping someone else who may not be as well known an artist have an opportunity to present their skill. Thanks anyway for responding, it at least gets attention to the subject, and you also gave me something to argue my points.

At 1/9/11 09:49 AM, Fifty-50 wrote: Sorry if I offend you. But as I read the storyline, I see the complete lack of women in the story. Plus this "Sasuke" guy takes interest in two young boys? Sounds very gay to me. Very Gay indeed. I think it would be better if Sasuke was a woman or something. Or at least add some women who are very significant to the story. And make them twins or something who wield different abilities.

I don't know. Maybe a childhood friend of the two guys that they both have an interest on. And the girl can't decide who she likes moar at first. Which becomes the cause of rivalry and bitterness between the two. Thus competing with each other. And then the girl ends up liking one better than the other for some reason. Either because he is weaker and always gets beaten up by the other guy and she becomes very concerned about that other guy. And the other guy is vain and always looks down at the other one. Maybe something like that.

And then the vain guy becomes emo and depressed and turns completely evil because of virgin rage. And then goes over to the dark side to destroy his brother and take the girl for himself. Lol rape. In his the midst of his angst he meets some mysterious woman. Who becomes interested in the growing gayness I mean darkness inside him. She then offers to be some sort of partner and signs a contract to grant him dark power. Lol. And it's up to you what happens next.

And by the way, grant the two women powers of some sort. Mages, oracles or whatever. So they become a companion for each twin. And make sure to add a lot of plot twist which will give mindfucks to viewers. And change the title. It sounds very bland.

Wow, I read what you wrote after this, but wow. Now the story is supposed to be able fighters and their abilities, which I'm sure you figured that out after clicking the link. The first story to any series is supposed to develop the main characters, which my story does the whole way through. I do however have a drama relationship thing in my second installment, currently being written, between two boys fighting over a girl. It's not really the main focus of the story, but it's there.

What I didn't get is why a man taking interest in the abilities of two boys is gay? If he's interested in their abilities and not exclusively them, then it's not gay, though I can get how it might come off that way. I guess maybe my ideas seem a bit dated, I did write them when I was a bit younger, and I'm only just now able to get them out there, maybe that is why it come of the way it does to people. But I assure you, if you read through it, yes, some parts are bland, and others a bit cliche, but the overall story is good. I wouldn't ask for someone to sit through reading the whole thing though, unless they honestly wanted to. But thanks for posting.

Instead of making lame excuses for why things are wrong, like "that's how my friend talks", "We say that here, though", and comparing a name of a video game to a name of a movie or song. Lame excuses are lame. Rather than trying to defend yourself, just try to correct it.

At 1/9/11 09:53 AM, Fifty-50 wrote: Ignore the above post. I didn't read the full part. There are women. Yup. But the story is still very bland. Boring as hell to be exact. Put in more flavourful adjectives or adverbs. To make it interesting. If I were to base my artwork here I think it wouldn't come out very good.

I didn't realize how much crap my brain has. Maybe I should start my own gay series. Lol.

Now to this, all I have to say is, how do you know that it wouldn't come out good? See, the way it's written currently wouldn't be how it would be written for a comic lay-out, in which I would depict all of the scenes and how they should be arranged. Maybe that it what people aren't understanding them out of this, I'd have to change the format for an artist or group of artists to be able to correctly draw the scenes.

At 1/9/11 02:30 AM, Aigis wrote: For one, overuse of exclamation marks really makes it look amateurish. Also "go somewhere"?
What sort of a thing is that to say?

I meant to address this, but forgot to, so I'm doing it now. I could probably take off a few of the exclamation marks, but they are there more for the feeling than anything else. Plus later on, the number of exclamation points used with them "calling out" their techniques correlates to the power of their moves. Yes, I know calling out move names is immature, but like many of the greats in anime, characters do it. I just don't have the characters in my series do it all of the time, only for specific moves. And I was also thinking about you saying the use of that many marks is amateurish, but DC comics, Marvel comics, and many other comic book companies do the same thing, even today, and their stuff is famous. So hey, I'm only taking a note from the pros.

At 1/9/11 10:11 AM, test-object wrote:

At 1/9/11 09:49 AM, Fifty-50 wrote: Sorry if I offend you. But as I read the storyline, I see the complete lack of women in the story. Plus this "Sasuke" guy takes interest in two young boys? Sounds very gay to me. Very Gay indeed. I think it would be better if Sasuke was a woman or something.

Why? There's far too little developed gay people in culture.

And make sure to add a lot of plot twist which will give mindfucks to viewers.

it doesn't NEED that per se. A story is primarily about character development. You would be a horrible writer :|
Not saying that the op is better at it tho. Fucking anime dialogue.

It's anime styled dialogue because it's supposed to fit that style. Look at my posts in the Vampire Survival Thread, which I have linked in my signature, there is a distinct difference in the writing style there, and the writing style in my story. Manga comic style is the equivalent of Amine cartoon style, which is what I was going for. Now I've just posted four times in a row, I should have done all of this in one.

At 1/9/11 04:23 PM, DemocracyFTW wrote: Instead of making lame excuses for why things are wrong, like "that's how my friend talks", "We say that here, though", and comparing a name of a video game to a name of a movie or song. Lame excuses are lame. Rather than trying to defend yourself, just try to correct it.

Okay, first of all, I wasn't making excuses, I was stating facts. To make an excuse is to lie, and I didn't lie about a thing. So please, if you have no other feedback to give, please do not come at me like that. The person that I based the character one, speaks in that manner, that's not how I speak, but a lot of the people where I am from do. And like I said before, some things have bad names, and turn out to be really good, and my example was Street Fighter. So where was the excuse?

At 1/9/11 04:13 PM, SSJDre wrote: I don't like starting out with my best material, it's a build up. If you read a book or see a movie of show where the best parts happen first, you tend to end up not liking it, at least that's how I am.

Uh, yeah, that's not the thing.

If you read a book, or see a movie or show, and the opening parts are just boring and poorly written, then you're unlikely to continue reading/watching it. Nothing to do with the events that transpire.

I know Bloodstorm is already a video game, but just as with music, games, and movies, there can be things that have the same name and be completely different. The name may not be the best thing out there, but lots of series have slightly less than great names and go far, like for instance Street Fighter. The name of the story for that game truly has nothing to do with the actual plot, which plenty of people like.

Street Fighter is a pretty good name, actually. It's very catchy. It's one of those names where you can say it without any regard to what it means.

Bloodstorm sounds like it would be a parody of a videogame in the background of a sitcom or cartoon. It's that generic and bad.

And yes, a good name is important. It's one of the first ways you can get a person interested in your story. For example, if I see a book called 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress', I will think that is an awesome name and this will make me want to read the book.

To say "go somewhere" is just another brush off, a very rude one, it's probably not something that you would hear because you most likely aren't from the same area as I am.

I think most people in the world aren't. Just because people in your area use a bizarrely awkward brush off as "go somewhere". doesn't mean other people are going to recognise it's in use.

At 1/9/11 04:55 PM, SSJDre wrote:

Okay, first of all, I wasn't making excuses, I was stating facts. To make an excuse is to lie, and I didn't lie about a thing. So please, if you have no other feedback to give, please do not come at me like that. The person that I based the character one, speaks in that manner, that's not how I speak, but a lot of the people where I am from do. And like I said before, some things have bad names, and turn out to be really good, and my example was Street Fighter. So where was the excuse?

"The dialogue was strangely stated"
well, that's how my friends talk
"The name is also the name of a video game, and is bad"
street fighter is a good game but has a bad name

You were making excuses then, and are making excuses now. As to actual improvement, you should seek out the writing forum.

If your asking for some of the brilliant stuff on here your going to have to give them something briliant to work rather than something that is "a bit cliche" and "a bit bland" in parts

Just sayin'

At 1/9/11 05:12 PM, DemocracyFTW wrote:

At 1/9/11 04:55 PM, SSJDre wrote:

Okay, first of all, I wasn't making excuses, I was stating facts. To make an excuse is to lie, and I didn't lie about a thing. So please, if you have no other feedback to give, please do not come at me like that. The person that I based the character one, speaks in that manner, that's not how I speak, but a lot of the people where I am from do. And like I said before, some things have bad names, and turn out to be really good, and my example was Street Fighter. So where was the excuse?

"The dialogue was strangely stated"
well, that's how my friends talk
"The name is also the name of a video game, and is bad"
street fighter is a good game but has a bad name

You were making excuses then, and are making excuses now. As to actual improvement, you should seek out the writing forum.

Okay, I see that I'm getting nowhere with you because you are obviously overlooking my points. If you are writing anything and you are basing something on someone else, and you want it to be authentic to that person, you would use words in a pattern familiar to that person's speech correct? If not, then it really wouldn't stand as being authentic would it? The story is fictional yes, but the character is based on a close friend of mine, that is her pattern of speech. If you have a problem with that, then that is on you, that doesn't make what I said an excuse, that makes it a factual statement. You're basically saying that one person can't call Soda, Pop, or a Soft Drink.

Street Fighter, does that name really sound all that interesting? Not to most people, heck, I don't even think that is a good name, but I like the games, the movies, and the comics. The name isn't great, but the story itself is. Either you haven't played a game or heard of it, or you're just picking a fight with someone who you most likely won't meet in your lifetime. I'm done with this argument with you, and I am asking that you please move on to something else if you have nothing constructive to say. Thank you, and have a nice day.

At 1/9/11 05:22 PM, DemiseAnimation wrote: If your asking for some of the brilliant stuff on here your going to have to give them something briliant to work rather than something that is "a bit cliche" and "a bit bland" in parts

Just sayin'

I can understand that, but to get the fullness of it overall, you'd probably have to read the whole thing, which is a decently long story. Not so long that it would take more than a weeks time to read. But I'm not asking anything of anyone that I wouldn't be willing to give. I wanted it to be interesting, but not throw everything out in the first go. That's what the cliche and bland parts are there, filler material. I intentionally made it corny, to fit along with the style, maybe it doesn't look like I did I guess.

At 1/9/11 05:32 PM, SSJDre wrote: I wanted it to be interesting, but not throw everything out in the first go. That's what the cliche and bland parts are there, filler material. I intentionally made it corny, to fit along with the style, maybe it doesn't look like I did I guess.

Take a look at any great work of fiction. Do they intentionally make parts of their book/movie/etc. bad to make the other parts look better?

No. They try to make every part of their work good, and interesting to read/watch/etc.

At 1/9/11 06:28 PM, Aigis wrote:

At 1/9/11 05:32 PM, SSJDre wrote: I wanted it to be interesting, but not throw everything out in the first go. That's what the cliche and bland parts are there, filler material. I intentionally made it corny, to fit along with the style, maybe it doesn't look like I did I guess.

Take a look at any great work of fiction. Do they intentionally make parts of their book/movie/etc. bad to make the other parts look better?

No. They try to make every part of their work good, and interesting to read/watch/etc.

I didn't mean to say I was intentionally making them bad, corny doesn't have to be bad. They are corny in the context of the situations used. I was just saying that I didn't want everything to remain at one level through out the whole of it. In every story there has to be a rise and decline as the emotions and events transpire right?

I didn't notice the other reply you made, so I'm addressing that below, I let myself get caught up in that argument.

Street Fighter is a pretty good name, actually. It's very catchy. It's one of those names where you
can say it without any regard to what it means.

Bloodstorm sounds like it would be a parody of a videogame in the background of a sitcom or
cartoon. It's that generic and bad.

See, too you Street Fighter is a good name, to me, it's not really. Street Fighter kind of implies watching normal people fight, and the character definitely aren't normal. But you are right that it gets your attention. Not very many people will walk away if they see a good fight going. Fatal Fury to me is a great title, it really encompasses the feel of the story, too bad for me it was already used.

I came up with Bloodstorm a long time ago, and I just can't for the heart of me throw it away. The story itself, at least the first part, is a bit old, and I wrote it in my teens. The later parts to it I wrote more recently, but I don't really want to change too much of the first story, as it was the start. I've been getting mixed reviews for it though, some places it's a hit, others it's not.

I could probably take the time to find things that aren't named all that great that turn out really to be really good, but right now I'm lazy to be honest, and don't really want to do it, it's not like the point escaped you.

I think most people in the world aren't. Just because people in your area use a bizarrely awkward
brush off as "go somewhere". doesn't mean other people are going to recognize it's in use.

Not everything is written in general usage of any language. I've read great book written by writers in which I would have look up certain phrases because it's not something I'm used to seeing or hearing, a few of those were written by James Patterson, and he's my favorite novelist. The major thing with me was to stick true to the person that I was writing the character after, at least how she speaks and her mannerisms. That was also why I used it in the same line along with "Leave me alone", to make it easier to understand what the phrase meant. I figured using it in the same line would be enough of a clue as to what it meant, lots of people usually get it. I understand it's not the greatest turn of phrase, but if you had a chance to take to her, especially if she's had a bad day, you'd get it full on.

I've spent more time here explaining things than actually getting anywhere with my goal, but then again, I guess that is what would be expected. But either way, you've done more than a lot of people, which is actually open and start reading the story, so you did give it a chance to gain your liking, and it didn't, so thanks at least for that.

As I read the whole wall of text posted in this thread, I see that this isn't the art forum anymore. Look at it. We are critiquing a story and not an art piece. I'm very disappointed with you people.

At 1/9/11 08:32 PM, Luwano wrote: Ok.... to be honest I didn't read the whole script and I also didn't read the whole previous conversation, but I may still have some advice for you.

First off, the whole discussion about your word choice can become very exhausting. It's best you find someone who is fine with the way you write dialogue. But that doesn't mean you should not rethink it. You are going to write the comic for an audience, not for yourself. So it could become a problem someday.

Anyway as for the story you written, it's not my personal taste, but it seems you put some thought and energy in it. If you are looking for comic artists however, you may need to write everything again (yes that sounds hard) in a comic book style. Writing comic books consists of describing what happens in every single panel as well as the dialogue and everything that's in those little boxes in the corner (like "Meanwhile...." etc.).

Also you have long parts being "narrated" which is not very useful for your artist. And you should add some descriptions about the scenery and since you've set up a character description already you should add your idea of their looks.

Now an example, you wrote:
"Andre looked over and saw the man, wondering who he was.

Andre: Who the hell are you?"

You should write something like:
"We see a man on the left of the panel, a little in the background. He is turned towards the viewer. The man looks/wears *describing his looks*. Andre is almost turned with his back to the viewer, he is *you could describe his pose here* and is looking at the man."

Andre: Who the hell are you?"

What you wrote is basically the story, you either need to "write the comic" or add a "Comic writer" to your list, if you don't want to do it yourself.

It may sound like a lot of work, but don't let that get you down.

To come to an end with the reply I would like to recommend this article by Barry Lyga to you.

And don't forget to tell us when you have your first issue done.

Good luck with that!

I actually just got started on plotting it out in comic script form. But I will check the article, as that may be something that can help me drastically. It wouldn't be a complete rewrite I think, but the action elements would have to be written from more a narrative perspective right? I'm guessing the article will explain a lot, so I'll probably be looking into it in the next few minutes. I was expecting people to read the whole story, just make the first chapter at most, so thanks for even reading part of it. Thanks.

At 1/9/11 08:14 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: As I read the whole wall of text posted in this thread, I see that this isn't the art forum anymore. Look at it. We are critiquing a story and not an art piece. I'm very disappointed with you people.

That's mostly my fault, I came looking for artists, and I got my story critiqued, which in a way I wanted that, just not here, but it has been useful in helping see why some cultures wouldn't understand some statements. I think if I can get this comic idea where I want it to go, then I'll have to edit it for oversees, even for other countries that are also English speaking, maybe by learning phrases that they would use that mean the same things as phrases I'm more commonly familiar with.

Ok, yeah, this should go to the writing forum at this point, because honestly, i'm not gonna really sugar coat it here, your story/writing/comic book sucks. You have potential, but you need to work on your stuff more.
The people prior to me have given you good advice which you should take into consideration. I remember when I first started out in the art forum, I was just as defensive as you, if not more. Then I stopped being stupid.
Thusly, you should stop being stupid.

I love you
Jk
But srsly, chill out.

Haha, wow. Sure is text outside today. Could someone put this thread into comic format for me so I don't have to read so much? It'll be good exposure for you, sorry I can't pay.

At 1/9/11 09:22 PM, Hyptosis wrote: Haha, wow. Sure is text outside today. Could someone put this thread into comic format for me so I don't have to read so much? It'll be good exposure for you, sorry I can't pay.

ja and i used comic sans ms cuz thats wut they do in rl comics duhh.

lol

go somewhere

Frankly, you aren't going to get ANY artist, paid or not
until you fix your writing. The story is generic, you even say yourself you making this a kind of street fighteresque storyline. The characters and plot devices... are boring and cliched to death.

Making a comic is hard and the failure or success of a comic is based more often than not on the writing. Good writing can save bad art, but good art can not save bad writing.