At 4/29/11 05:37 PM, SBB wrote:
The constant time signature changes that Rush/Tool/Dream Theater are kind of obnoxious IMO, I find it much more interesting when the odd time signatures and/or changes actually aren't all that obvious
I'm finding it hard to see what songs are that blatantly obvious of the rush and tool, i can understand the dream threater, since they are a more metal band. The dave brubec is very obvious, however that is not in the least saying it's a bad song, it's just how it's written. Something like say "Schism" is a little harder to pin down, since it could either be switching between two or three different signature or just being accented on different beats. Then you probably think the syncopation is obnoxious since that is probably why they feel like they change so much not because they actually change.
so that you might not even notice something's different before you count the beats, because they've managed to make a melody that actually fits and sounds natural in that time. Which can be a challenge, and you often hear people just chopping the last part off or prolonging a 4/4 melody when using a different time.
And it's kind of hard to compare Tool And a Jazz musician since they are two completely different styles of writing. Jazz will have multiple melodies, or have multiple instruments overtime play that melody, where as more rock oriented bands carry their melody in the vocals. And Rush is heavily syncopated, and has time changes throughout.
What would be done with a contest would be a mixture of a lot of things. The idea of obvious changes, for a break down sort of thing, and Brubeck's idea of having the time fit the melody (Brubeck had explained one of his songs as going "1-2/1-2/1-2-3/1-2/1-2/1-2-3/1-2/1-2/1-2 -3/1-2-3/1-2-3 ect" forget the name of the song lol)
People would get bonus points for either the smoothness or if the transition was so smooth it wasn't even notice, and would be docked if it was constantly changing and to blatantly obvious. It points would also be lost if a 4 on the floor bass is used, because it would be way to easy and lazy to just write out everything in different time sigs and not even do anything special about the percussion. Full ness rather than just a basic "Melody, beat, bassline, generic techno chhhhhh beginging" would also be encouraged.
And i know there would be lots of elements to think about, but not every contest should be too easy, otherwise no one is learning, just winning or losing.