moving on from fl stuido...

[superuberinsaneausm]

ive been using fl studio ever since i started making music but now i feel like i should be using somthing alot more professional and alot of my songs are starting to sound the same. could you reccomend some software/DAW to move up to? i would use logic but i dont have a mac.....

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[SineRider]

It's not the DAW, it's the user.

[Envy]

More of these? Sigh just because it doesn't look professional doesn't mean it isn't.

[Azoic]

I've had more fun with Logic then I ever did with FL.

But I agree this might partly be down to my increased knowledge since my FL days.

It's perfectly reasonable to got bored of or outgrow your DAW.

Thing is, I'm sure there's a thread someone wrote about all this before. Just have a quick scoot through the AP Forum pages.

[loansindi]

It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

[Vultyrex]

Programs don't sequence music by themselves.

[Rig]

At 12/15/10 05:03 PM, loansindi wrote: It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Second.

OP, switching DAWs won't make your songs more creative or more imaginative. You get out of your tools what you put into your tools. Switch if you want, but don't expect much improvement.

[ShatterTheSky22]

I agree that there's nothing particularly wrong with FL, I've been using it since I started and my skills have grown significantly with it. Perhaps rather than making a switch, you should search for new instrument plugins and VSTs which can add a whole new dimension to your tracks without abandoning the interface you're used to. That's what I do occasionally when I'm feeling a bit stagnant and it always gives me some inspiration.

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[Chronamut]

everything that everyone said above.

fl studio is a shell - it's the eternal sources you wire into it that make it great - as far as flexibility and filters personally I don't think you'll find a better DAW out there.

[EmperorCharlemagne]

I kinda got bored with FL, so now I dual-wield FL and Reaper, and I like it.

Reaper is pretty good and 40 bucks, and kinda like a free version of pro tools without the cost.

[Chronamut]

At 12/15/10 08:04 PM, EmperorCharlemagne wrote: I kinda got bored with FL, so now I dual-wield FL and Reaper, and I like it.

Reaper is pretty good and 40 bucks, and kinda like a free version of pro tools without the cost.

I still use cool edit as a cheap version of pro-tools - I still lvoe it - between fl and cool edit - there ain't NUTTIN I can't do! :)

[Reaper93]

Changing your environment is one way to help shake monotony.

However, if you want a change of environment there's much cheaper ways to do that than to go out and buy Cubase or whatever.

[Envy]

At 12/15/10 09:26 PM, Reaper93 wrote: Changing your environment is one way to help shake monotony.

However, if you want a change of environment there's much cheaper ways to do that than to go out and buy Cubase or whatever.

implying the average FL user on newgrounds purchased their version of FL.

[djInTheDark]

At 12/15/10 10:01 PM, Envy wrote:

At 12/15/10 09:26 PM, Reaper93 wrote: Changing your environment is one way to help shake monotony.

However, if you want a change of environment there's much cheaper ways to do that than to go out and buy Cubase or whatever.

implying the average FL user on newgrounds purchased their version of FL.

Assuming makes an ass out you and me.

On a related note, I am actually changing daws pretty soon as well. Gonna try out Cubase this weekend, heard good things out it and I like the look of the interface from the screenshots I've seen. We'll see what happens.

[Envy]

Just realized the thread title is Moving on from FL STUIDO

Stuido

anyways I want to try ableton at some point but just cause I want to try something new, maybe it will help boost muh brain waves.

[Mrmilkcarton]

At 12/15/10 05:03 PM, loansindi wrote: It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

But every tool is different is it not? Some work better with others.

[ajyablo]

At 12/15/10 10:12 PM, djInTheDark wrote:
On a related note, I am actually changing daws pretty soon as well. Gonna try out Cubase this weekend, heard good things out it and I like the look of the interface from the screenshots I've seen. We'll see what happens.

Cubase is fantastic for midi sequencing. I've never had an issue on that end.
The only problem I've had was (with an older version) recording. I have had some issues with getting things working. Not sure how the newer versions stack up. I would hope for the better.

That being said, Nuendo (Cubases big brother,) is a tank in the studio.

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If you're bored with FL studio, try something different. It won't hurt.
Get a demo before committing to a purchase and just go nuts.
Find what works best for you.

Besides, most professional people won't take you seriously if you say you only use Fruity Loops.

[joshhunsaker]

At 12/15/10 02:31 PM, superuberinsaneausm wrote: ive been using fl studio ever since i started making music but now i feel like i should be using somthing alot more professional and alot of my songs are starting to sound the same. could you reccomend some software/DAW to move up to? i would use logic but i dont have a mac.....

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Funny story - I knew a local studio owner who was a die-hard pro-tools user and he happened to be trash talking FL Studio while I was at a computer with FL on it. I told "hold on a sec, let me show you a couple things here..."

After he picked his jaw off the ground he mentioned he had no idea that what I showed him was even possible. This was a pretty bright cat too, he really really knew his audio engineering and yet had no idea about FL Studio.

[Gravey]

Just to sort of remind people, if he plans on recording live audio instead of midi sequencing getting a new DAW would be a huge benefit for him. If you are recording live audio with FL it can be very frustrating and can choke the creative juices as you possibly rage over the less than intuitive way FL goes about letting you record/edit live audio. Honestly, the recording process for FL is just plain stupid from what I've seen. But I sort of grew up on Pro Tools, so maybe I'm just biased.

Personally I don't think anything compares to Pro Tools when it comes to dealing with live audio. But I've never used Cubase or Nuendo extensively either. I've had a few hours of work within Cubase, but nothing to give a solid opinion on.

I have heard from many orchestral composers that Cubase is a better fit for orchestral production. That is more of a personal taste issue, but you'll find that very few orchestral composers who write for a living use FL. At least from what I've learned from trying to network outside of NG. Many orchestral composers I meet outside of NG just smirk when they find out I compose with FL. It's almost embarrassing for me when trying to network. So that might be something to think about.

But all that being said, if you just want to do simple midi sequencing FL should be fine for you. There are some issues I have with it, such as when I try to change the pitch of a certain pattern it makes everything in the entire session out of tune. I still can't figure out wtf is up with that. But outside of that issue FL is a fine enough midi sequencer.

If you plan on recording yourself playing though, I'd recommend Pro Tools with an Mbox 2 or Cubase. Those would probably be the two best options.

[GamekrazzyProduction]

Amen Brother!!! Lol, I would say though that even then he should keep FL-Studio. If you want something different for sounds try finding sounds or recording your own... while the recording is kind of annoying on it... It took me a while to figure out, but for me my microphone sucks so... yeah I would definately tell you that what you are thinking is just plain stupid. There are other programs out there indeed, but FL-Studio is one of the most professional ones you will find out there.

[stratkat]

Hm...I've never had anyone come up with a good reason to ditch fruity loops, it's got my fav interface and the cleanest looks imo.
I've had reaper for recording guitar, it was annoyingly painful to work with for me, I actually choose to use audacity over it.

If you're stuck on a sound cuz of fruity loop's vsti's and sounds, go get a new one, like z3ta, and some drum samples/kits.

[EmperorCharlemagne]

I can just imagine a bunch of high-class snobs in tuxedos and waxed mustaches puckering their lips into a faux-smile saying "Ooooh, you use Frrrrruity Looops?"

Also from what I've read Reaper can do mostly what Pro Tools can but it takes a little bit more finagling.

[BrokenDeck]

Hmm for me FL is actually harder than Cubase. That's either because I'm retarted, or because I'm just not used to FL's interface after using Cubase for years adn barely using FL or Reason.

[Reaper93]

At 12/15/10 10:01 PM, Envy wrote:

At 12/15/10 09:26 PM, Reaper93 wrote: Changing your environment is one way to help shake monotony.

However, if you want a change of environment there's much cheaper ways to do that than to go out and buy Cubase or whatever.

implying the average FL user on newgrounds purchased their version of FL.

Where?

[djInTheDark]

At 12/15/10 11:34 PM, ajyablo wrote: Cubase is fantastic for midi sequencing. I've never had an issue on that end.
The only problem I've had was (with an older version) recording. I have had some issues with getting things working. Not sure how the newer versions stack up. I would hope for the better.

That being said, Nuendo (Cubases big brother,) is a tank in the studio.

Yeah, I've maybe recorded once or twice something to use in my tracks, so thats not going to be an issue I don't think.

At 12/16/10 03:34 AM, brokendeck wrote: Hmm for me FL is actually harder than Cubase. That's either because I'm retarted, or because I'm just not used to FL's interface after using Cubase for years adn barely using FL or Reason.

This. I haven't used Cubase yet obviously so I can't confirm it or not, but I've had FL for quite a while - but I've never used it as my primary DAW, only for some of the neat features it provides that I couldn't really find any where else. While I think the software build is fast, clean, and efficient, tyhe interface is something I could never get used to. For instance, when loading new VST, I always found it a pain to have to put it in a specific folder, and then refresh the settings in order for it to show up. In my primary DAW, all I had to do was press "load new VST" which to me to a browsing window, I select the .ddl, and it's done (along with it being saved in the VST menu of the DAW so I don't even have to look it up again.

It's the little things that count for me.

[ShatterTheSky22]

At 12/16/10 02:30 AM, EmperorCharlemagne wrote: I can just imagine a bunch of high-class snobs in tuxedos and waxed mustaches puckering their lips into a faux-smile saying "Ooooh, you use Frrrrruity Looops?"

This is what I imagined too. lol
I think the name doesn't help either. That's why when people ask, I always refer to it as FL Studio. "What's the FL stand for?" ..."Nobody knows actually."

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[joshhunsaker]

At 12/16/10 02:30 AM, EmperorCharlemagne wrote: I can just imagine a bunch of high-class snobs in tuxedos and waxed mustaches puckering their lips into a faux-smile saying "Ooooh, you use Frrrrruity Looops?"

Also from what I've read Reaper can do mostly what Pro Tools can but it takes a little bit more finagling.

??? Reaper will do twice what Pro Tools can do functionality-wise in half the time. Comparing start-up times between reaper and pro-tools is almost too funny for words (reaper, uh wins in that department). Learn the hotkeys and reaper will be far more responsive than pro-tools for recording than pro-tools could ever be. Pro Tools has the edge in some automation aspects and built-in instruments but that's about where it ends.

[Krank]

I switched from fl studio to cubase years ago. Best decision I ever made. And the skills I learned in cubase can be put directly back into fl studio.

Learning multiple daw's makes you a more well rounded producer and composer.

[Rantstuff]

I would say that you try out some programs there's alot out there, what kind of music are you in to? Electronic? then i say Ableton Live, if you're more in to "realistic" sound i would recommend Garage band or Cakewalk Sonar.

[GamekrazzyProduction]

Lol, I actually went from using Audacity... And that didn't go to well... I wasn't even wanting to post anything from that... to Mario Paint Composer... funny right... I have 4 songs on here made on MPC. And from MPC went to FL-Studio. I had alot of issues with it at first, but keeping at it I've come to understand it well. Everyone tells me that it's very professional, and I have to agree with them. I have messed around with some of the demos for Finale to... Honestly there is so much more you can do in FL I aint kiddin...