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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 08:53:21 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:17 AM, SeeD419 wrote: My question is, if copyright is such a big issue, why doesn't Youtube have any issues?

Youtube is the epitome of copyright infringement and theft....

I really hope this post isn't serious. The issues with YouTube and copyrighted material are terrible.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 08:59:56 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:44 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.
Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(

How bout not enough animators ;) Assemble an animation studio! We could do it Tom!


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 09:00:43 Reply

i'm cool with this :D i use abit of video game music in my flashes but at the same time i use alot of audio portal music, there are some amazing pieces of work in there. just by searching one word for what kind of sound your looking for will give you loads of results and you'd be suprised what you find

one problem is (well i have this problem at least) if you PM people asking for help (music,voice acting, art ect ) they will often ignore you if your not a "BIG" artist on newgrounds, i know this is only a small percentage of the people here but it does get annoying lol

but apart from that this is a postive step forward :D


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 09:02:21 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:58 AM, MindChamber wrote:
At 12/11/10 02:17 AM, SeeD419 wrote: My question is, if copyright is such a big issue, why doesn't Youtube have any issues?

Youtube is the epitome of copyright infringement and theft....
Because newgrounds is not google.

Not to add they DO have copyright issues, they have had issues since like 2007.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 09:13:52 Reply

Well, I'm not going to complain that Newgrounds is angling more towards self-sufficiency then anything else. Times are certainly a-changing, any owned material is touchy material.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 09:39:10 Reply

Yeah, using music in your flash animations promotes the artists and increases sales. All the more reason to promote an independant artist.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 09:49:39 Reply

Just to clarify to some stupid posts I've seen in the fora:
NO! Owning a CD does not give you the rights to use it in your Flashes unless the CD was made with that specific purpose!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:05:51 Reply

Having a collection of free sound effects on Newgrounds would be an amazing idea.
A lot of the sound effects I use are from Zelda and stuff, and I'd rather stop using those eventually.
But at the same time it's not a huge deal since I don't think vidya game companies care too much.

It's a shame about sprites getting phased out though, I used to really like those when I was a kid.

\(o_O)/


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:17:39 Reply

While I don't think all submissions that use pre-created music or characters are inherently flawed, I will admit that I'd be stoked to see this place become completely self-sustaining and original.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:24:29 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:36 AM, omegared wrote: So gay! The internet should be a free play zone for content. Does this have to do with that fucking wiki leaks guy? Or are all sites just getting shit? And who's giving the, shit?

Yeah originality is the way to go, but this is gonna be harmful to what NG stands for. Plus the user base is all amateur and very young. So to insist that content be all made by the owner or from here is even more difficult.

All in all it's just too bad. Or maybe good? I don't know.

It's called Copyright, and it started with private servers like habbo-retros and is now with an stick image.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:27:04 Reply

Well as a user who hadn't really put anything out yet but seen many flash movies, I really like more originality. I love to see originality in flash movies, it makes me want to vote 5 and want to see more of your work.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:30:17 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: I want everyone who creates content to read this post very carefully and take it very seriously.

The next time you are inspired to make an animation about a cool song you heard on the radio, DON'T, unless you are comfortable with the idea of only sharing it with yourself and a few close friends. Otherwise, take that inspiration and find a song you have permission to use. There are thousands of artists in the Audio Portal who are available for that sort of thing, as well as independent artists across the web who can be contacted for permission.

The next time you need art for your game or movie, DO NOT image search Google and grab something from the results. Many of those items are registered with enforcement agencies that will levy strict penalties for unlicensed use.

I know the web and Newgrounds have been like the wild west, but times are changing.

Newgrounds will be a better place if everyone here learns to work together instead of turning outward for resources. If you need a background, song, title screen, etc., someone here can help you with it. We will continue to work to make that easier, because there is no alternative.

If you are starting a project now and hope to be featured on NG when you're done, keep this post in mind. Content featuring original art and audio will be king. Parodies are still fair game and part of our culture, but you've probably already noticed only a handful of sprite movies have made front page this year.

I could not agree more with all of that, i like ORIGINAL content, i'd rather watch a stick fight with music compose by the animator rather then watch a sprite animation (some are cool though) with music from a popular band!

Whats the point of coming to newgrounds if not to discover talent and to see something NEW not a slideshow of picture taken god knows where with music found here and there!


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:45:33 Reply

At 12/11/10 01:34 AM, Stamper wrote: hey guys i think i need a new dick mine has a hole in it lmfao

pls continue

Has the same problem with my face.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 10:46:04 Reply

Anyone who wants original music can simply drop a thread on the audio portal.
Tons of audio artists are desperate to get their audio onto flashes, and many offer to make custom music for free.

You'd be doing us a favor too, as most of us already lack exposure and want to try to get our music out as much as possible. The audio portal is already so inactive...


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 12:22:10 Reply

Original content FTW!!!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 12:29:16 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:47 AM, AngelofPeace wrote: Fuck this shit. Maybe you all aren't aware of the "fair use" clause in the copyright law which basically says you can't use someone else's work for lucrative purposes, but you my use it for instructional and other non-profit ends.

Fair use is an extremely complicated and dangerous battleground. My recommendation is not to use it unless you have no other choice. There are so many restrictions and guidelines that don't necessarily all make sense in reference to one another. It's a lot safer to just use either Creative Commons or
Public Domain performances.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 12:31:00 Reply

Maybe we should also include a tags system in the audio portal so that animators can find music with a specific mood or feel.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 12:35:34 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: "I want everyone who creates content to read this post very carefully and take it very seriously. If you need a background, song, title screen, etc., someone here can help you with it. We will continue to work to make that easier, because there is no alternative."

Right on! Plagiarism sucks. There are some really talented musicians right here on NG. Collaboration makes it happen. ; )

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 12:43:35 Reply

So any flash movies/games using sprites from video games like Super Mario Bros, Final Fantasy, Street Fighters ... are over. Right?

Sorry for double post. There is no edit button in this forum.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 13:18:39 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:53 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 12:34 PM, Pesticide wrote: I'm guessing the music videos section is going to be cleared out then?
There is a level of risk we have been willing to take to preserve NG's past, but the problem needs to stop growing.

May we keep the music videos collection, but keeping it as a secret item? I don't know.... it may work?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 13:24:05 Reply

This is still going on? REALLY?

Notice how all the people who make good stuff are happy about more original content, while all the people who make shitty stuff are like 'wait wut but why can't i use sprite sheets from google to make my waste of space animations'


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 14:11:10 Reply

At 12/11/10 01:24 PM, YChang wrote: This is still going on? REALLY?

Notice how all the people who make good stuff are happy about more original content, while all the people who make shitty stuff are like 'wait wut but why can't i use sprite sheets from google to make my waste of space animations'

um, excuse me, but my stuff is the best stuff that there is, and i break copyright like i am a bull breaking china.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 14:19:41 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:24 AM, ClockOfBlob wrote: I'm still going to do most of this.

then YOU MUST DIE

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 14:45:21 Reply

At 12/11/10 12:43 PM, Abracadabra123 wrote: So any flash movies/games using sprites from video games like Super Mario Bros, Final Fantasy, Street Fighters ... are over. Right?

Sorry for double post. There is no edit button in this forum.

Come ON man.... READ ... not just the starting post, but the whole thread

READ goddamnit.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 14:52:27 Reply

One question I didn't see answered was (apologize if I missed the answer) if someone is able to obtain permission and proof that they can use copyrighted material, will it be allowed? Just discouraged?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 14:54:39 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:45 PM, MindChamber wrote: Come ON man.... READ ... not just the starting post, but the whole thread

READ goddamnit.

I know seriously.
It's the same damn question being asked over and over again.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 15:03:32 Reply

I would read the thread but I don't want to see the same shit repeated over and over.

Nice to see you guys made a site that the users are more than happy to destroy.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 15:12:01 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:52 PM, PBass wrote: if someone is able to obtain permission and proof that they can use copyrighted material, will it be allowed? Just discouraged?

Now why would someone DISCOURAGE you to obtain permission?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 15:32:51 Reply

Sounds good I guess, but on another topic. Is it a goal to create a writing portal or did just give up that idea? I know you've said something about a writing portal in the past, presumable when the writing forum was created.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 16:00:47 Reply

So I just looked at him and he said WHAT!!!!??!!!
And I just said hi,and he got up from his chair and please finish the sentence...