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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 00:36:22 Reply

At 12/10/10 09:04 PM, Zerpha wrote: I always liked the idea of a "Flash Animation With Cover Song". Using a cover of the known song can give the movie another twist, and the singer's voice might even suit better to the animated characters.

Even cover songs are problematic, unless the original composition has entered the public domain.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 00:42:21 Reply

Good decision? I think NG's is the first collaboration website that going to discourage using copyrighted material.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 00:43:58 Reply

There are some big-shot music groups or composers that totally dig fan material. Could it be possible to get featured if it had the approval from the band the content's music is based off of?

So, for example, if I were to pay tribute to Devin Townsend, I animated a music video to a Devin Townsend song. I email him, he emails back, likes it, totally gives permission for me to post it on Newgrounds. Could it be featured then?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 00:58:55 Reply

So Tom, if we use copyrighted music, even if they are covers, we don't have any chance to get featured at all?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:06:09 Reply

I can't ever understand why someone would want to take legal action against independent Flash artists just for using music. In fact, all it does is promote the song and increase awareness, which in turn leads to more sales. And here are a truckload of good examples just from my perspective alone:

This movie, which features Pink Maggit by Deftones, encouraged me to buy more Deftones albums after I really enjoyed hearing the full version of this song. I now own five of them, including Adrenaline, White Pony, Deftones, Saturday Night Wrist, and B Sides & Rarities. Would this have happened if I never heard Pink Maggit from this movie? Probably not. I didn't know squat about the band prior to this movie.

And then there's this movie, which features First Breath After Coma by Explosions in the Sky. Thanks to this movie, I brought four of their albums, which includes How Strange, Innocence, The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place, Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Die, Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Live Forever, and All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone. Would this have happened if I never heard First Breath After Coma from this movie? Not a chance.

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Thanks to taking part in this collab, I went out and brought three of Distrubed's albums, including The Sickness, Believe, and Ten Thousand Fists. Again, I probably wouldn't have come across this band if it weren't for this collab.

Case in point, I'm all for promoting original material and flash artists using Audio Portal submissions, but I think its downright stupid for anyone to press legal charges for the use of copyrighted music when there's absolutely no intention to make money off of it. These are just three cases where the use of copyrighted music actually HELPED the band promote the music and increase sales that ordinarily wouldn't have happened. Seriously, what the hell is the big deal?

Still though, if this is the way its gotta be, then that's a real shame. Nobody wins. Not the flash artists, and neither the music artists who are missing out on gaining future fans and future album sales from awareness-creating flash movies.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:09:43 Reply

Did something happen? Also, what about things already in the public domain, or under creative commons licenses?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:14:55 Reply

At 12/10/10 10:22 PM, FrozenFire wrote:
At 12/10/10 11:29 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: So, I would not be allowed to use this nature music?
My god you are pretentious...

And you don't read threads :3

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:17:30 Reply

Are other soundtracks from games / movies / whatever just as bad as more streamline music.

Well I pretty much know the answer to this, I just want to see someone else say it hah


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:34:29 Reply

hey guys i think i need a new dick mine has a hole in it lmfao

pls continue


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:39:47 Reply

I take it Newgrounds has gotten into a spot of bother over copyrighted material? It's a shame if that is the case but I suppose that is the world we live in.

At least if it encourages more users to use audio from the portal here and stop with the annoying overly done and rarely funny sprites then that's a bonus.

Just a bit of a shame because one of my favourite Collections is 'Music Videos', and it was actually this flash here which got me into Newgrounds in the first place. If it wasn't for Auf Achse then I likely wouldn't be on here now.

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And although I don't animate I always thought that if I would it would be me attempting to create a 'music video'.

Will these flash disappear from Newgrounds? I certainly hope not, but if its a legal issue then what can you do.

:(


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 01:59:06 Reply

Everything by everyone.
I;m glad dicks are still ok. I'm working on a project comprised entirely on cocks.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:02:12 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:23 PM, carbonwater wrote:
If anything sprite artists should be making their own custom sprites, rather then using something that was made by a company in Japan way back in 1992.
Download that pixel tool and draw them yourselves. Not that hard, you've got no excuse.

great, instead of sonic the hedgehog movies we'll get custom sonic the hedgehog movies. which is even worse.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:04:13 Reply

At 12/11/10 01:34 AM, Stamper wrote: hey guys i think i need a new dick mine has a hole in it lmfao

You can have mine, I don't use it.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:09:59 Reply

At 12/10/10 10:14 PM, MindChamber wrote:
speaking of porn, isnt the webmaster of wikileak in trouble for raping some chick?
lol such is the way of the righteous.

it wasn't the fact that he didn't have a condom, but the fact that it broke and he went ahead and fucked her when she didn't want to have unprotected sex. it really doesn't even fucking matter, because either way the media is just calling it straight up "rape" which is the most disingenuous manipulative bullshit ever. it's like they want him for stealing a tootsie pop but then turn around and tell the media to go ahead and report it as grand theft auto of a bhudda statue as well as holding a high-profile figure in custody through the phantom hand of the US government on trumped up charges in a misguided attempt to stop damaging truths that the public has every right to know from coming out.

Smooooooth moooooove.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:17:26 Reply

My question is, if copyright is such a big issue, why doesn't Youtube have any issues?

Youtube is the epitome of copyright infringement and theft....


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:55:33 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:52 AM, ihatesonic1 wrote: Do you really have to delete decent movies that were made years ago with lots of time, effort, and possible hesitation all because of some new rule that was made today?

Holy shit, dude, pay attention. That's not happening.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 02:58:32 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:17 AM, SeeD419 wrote: My question is, if copyright is such a big issue, why doesn't Youtube have any issues?

Youtube is the epitome of copyright infringement and theft....

Because newgrounds is not google.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:08:07 Reply

At 12/11/10 02:55 AM, Phobotech wrote:
At 12/11/10 02:52 AM, ihatesonic1 wrote: Do you really have to delete decent movies that were made years ago with lots of time, effort, and possible hesitation all because of some new rule that was made today?
Holy shit, dude, pay attention. That's not happening.

Lol seriously, how is it possible to get the phone tag effect through text.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:12:49 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:40 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: So, would I be able to use this music? I am assuming I would need to go and find if it is copyrighted, but how would I go about doing that?

Yes. He is dead.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:16:11 Reply

This makes me sad.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:36:08 Reply

FFFFFFFFFFF...-

That's it, I'm officially butthurt D:

[Insert butthurt rant here]

...Time to lurk the Audio portal, again D:!


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:38:43 Reply

Hey Tom, how has life been?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:42:27 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:21 AM, Chumbawamba wrote:
At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Also dicks are still ok.
Thank god.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:44:18 Reply

Winds of change = new features
Winds of change = Tom complaining?

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 03:54:36 Reply

At 12/11/10 01:34 AM, Stamper wrote: hey guys i think i need a new dick mine has a hole in it lmfao

Quickly! Someone fill Stamper's hole!

OT: This kind of justifies my copyright paranoia. For the most part I try to keep lawsuit-bait out of my movies. Getting screwed over by a google image kinda seems like winning the anti-lottery though. I still always follow through on google images to figure out where they came from, just to be safe.

If NG ever gets a sound effects dump, I'll be glad to contribute. Making SFX is easy and fun when they don't have to be for any particular use.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 04:57:52 Reply

IN THE LONG RUN, ORIGINALITY WILL ALWAYS BEAT RIPOFFS AND PARODIES.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 05:03:11 Reply

I've taken the liberty of translating Tom's post:

"A whole shitton of lawyers just threatened to drop a bridge on us if you punks don't stop submitting your tweened crap with shoehorned music that you downloaded from iTunes. Stop it."

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 05:07:13 Reply

So I should probably take this down then?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 06:28:35 Reply

I think some don't realize that it's not a question of copyright, but a question of originality. Time to start evolving yourself artistically and work on that self expression. Which is not an easy process, but like all endeavors rewarding.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-11 06:35:17 Reply

I came for Fearless Leader showing us our future course.

I stayed for Mindchamber trolling.