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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:10:47 Reply

At 12/10/10 03:04 PM, Timmy wrote: I would suggest we allow photos to be submitted by users - even stock photos would be helpful. Because I need a nice picture of a rock for my next submission.

Also, please don't look at my most recent flash...

I would love to see this as well as a FX library!


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:28:58 Reply

Honestly, I won't be missing those sprite movies. I've always thought that completely original productions deserved more attention and better scores than those sprite movies. While often times they are well organized in terms of story-telling and the use of the sprites, I've never thought that they could honestly compare to an original animation of the same caliber.

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Saturday, December 11th. Print out his blog post and bring it in exchange for a $5 Penicorn!

What a bargain!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:30:01 Reply

I personly take pride in buying my favorite artist music to support them. But is it truly bad to use a kick ass song for a music video? You are essently promoting that artist and acutly saving him money including the companies since they don't have to hire anybody to promote there song. I mean look at Mindchambers music video using colds song. How many newgrounders you think immidetly googled up Cold the band and looked up more songs from them? I know I did. Even linkin park stated on a interview that they don't mind fans using there music for there projects since they believe it promotes there band more.

As for the audio portal I personally just can't find myself to use it espicy when it comes to competition I mean what is stopping one of those audio makers to deciding that they want a share of your prize/reward since you used one of there songs for 1/8th of the movie? I know it sounds selfish but wouldn't you feel kinda insulted if you spent 6+ months working on say a madness day movie, using a song that some user made 2 years ago, that was produced in 3-4 hours. Then have him expecting to have half of your prize?

To me, we shouldn't be running for the hills, or should we be throwing firebombs threw the music companies windows. What we should do is educate them in the possiblities that come with users like newgrounders creating content for them. Its free, it brings there song out there.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:31:11 Reply

If we come across a submission in the portal, there are now only three options for which a whistle should be blown, will there be another option for use of copyrighted material? In other words, will the community be somewhat responsible for the policing of the portal when it comes to copyright? If that is so, what if the submission does have permission but the community is unaware. I think it's a good start to tell people to stop doing it, but I can't see a good way to enforce it. But I like it, I think NG will be better because of it.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:33:29 Reply

Fuck this.This is an insult to our freedom to express ourself. As simple artists who are NOT looking for a financial income for their ART this is like taking a crutch from them. By no means i want to dish the resources from the audio/art portal, but come on! If i hear a song i like in the radio and want to make a music video for it, I should be able to do it! As artists i think we have that right, yeah, we don't charge for shit we do. What's next? Fuck sprites movies cuz they are copyrighted material? Fuck parodies cuz they remind you of copyrighted material? All because a record company or a film studio want to make more money from a song or movie? Because of so called ''artist'' in the mainstream want every penny they can squeeze out of their ''passion'' to buy their 5th car, 3th house or crap they want? Tom should back to the old slogan: '' The problems of the future today'' cuz if we keep this thing up we wont be able to sing a song in the bathtub without being owned by copyrights.

If you leave your pussy open, Dicks are going to fuck it hard. We, the legs, have to stay close next to each other if we don't want that to happen. Especially if the pussy is going to wet itself every time it sees a dick.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:34:57 Reply

Sounds great, Tom! I could stand to see more originality.

Hey, is there going to be a Christmas Contest this year?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:38:28 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:34 PM, smirkstudios wrote: Sounds great, Tom! I could stand to see more originality.

Hey, is there going to be a Christmas Contest this year?
At 12/7/10 02:37 PM, TomFulp wrote:
Now would be a good time to address this year's Winter Flash-Off. We will still be organizing a winter collection of games and movies, but due to lame economic conditions I won't be budgeting much in terms of prizes.

Link to full post.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:40:57 Reply

I'm fine with this change, I've kind of gotten past the days where I'll hear a new song and be all, "OH EM GEE I HAVE TO MAKE FLASH ABOUT THIS!!!1!11" I do think putting together a resource library would be an awesome idea though, I'd love to see a compilation of sites and things to get resources and materials. However, I must bring up a point. If you're going to encourage people to use the audio portal, then I'd suggest you try to make it a little easier to find songs in the style/genre that you need. I've noticed that whenever I'm looking for a specific type of song, I usually end up either searching a keyword, or selecting a genre and then blindly clicking on a bunch of songs hoping that one of them fits. I don't know if it was designed to be that way, and I don't know if that's how you're supposed to do it, but it can be frustrating. I don't have a solution for this, I just figured I'd mention it. Hopefully the upcoming redesign will address this issue.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:44:17 Reply

At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.

Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(


This is the game JohnnyUtah, Spazkid and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:44:34 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:07 PM, cast wrote: Should active artists who used no no songs swap them with AP content they find fitting? :P

That would be awesome if people did that.


This is the game JohnnyUtah, Spazkid and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:45:14 Reply

At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.

Truth spoken! I also agree with the Photo uploading and FX galleries...with the cuff of copyright material locked shut, who's to say Newgrounds can't expand into other fields? It would all benefit the production of independent creative works.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:47:35 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:03 PM, PrettyMuchBryce wrote: Speaking of changes.. When does the next layout update launch? Can we expect new features or just a redesign?

Still no set date to announce. There will be new features that mostly enhance the existing experience... Hoping to better define the site and make all the content easier to find.


This is the game JohnnyUtah, Spazkid and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:51:16 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Also dicks are still ok.

Hate to say this but that could be taken in so many ways it's not even funny...

At 12/10/10 01:12 PM, Billy-Bean wrote: What if it's a copyrighted dick?

and if you want a copyrighted dick google it. obi-wan kenobi picture shows up in the image search..

Serious note, what happens if there is still copyrighted songs played by someone that has the sheet music put up on ng? How wold affect someone that just plays songs on instruments?

Will you just take it down like they do on youtube or what?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:52:59 Reply

there could be one but you have to careful!
Santa Claus may be copyrighted as well as carols, Christmas trees, lights, snowmen, Rudolf,Santa's Little Helpers bdsm outfits,"Santa Claus Is Coming to Town'',Mrs. Claus, the North Pole, as well as Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner (Dunder/Donder), Blitzen (Blixem/Bliksem), Jesus, his birthday, Hanuka, Kwanzaa, Mary, the bible, Snow, Pico, SantaCon, X-mas, Parades, Christmas eve, day, morning, day after, the day after the day after, Christmas Mountains, Gifts, Donations, Charity and Christmas Criticism coming of it material nature.
Merry Hol- opps i hope i haven't broke any copyrights.
I just wonder sometimes...if i ask for Christmas the copyrights of copyrighting, that means that nobody could do it since they would be breaking copyrights?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:54:36 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:33 PM, idontknow2 wrote: Fuck this.This is an insult to our freedom to express ourself. As simple artists who are NOT looking for a financial income for their ART this is like taking a crutch from them. By no means i want to dish the resources from the audio/art portal, but come on! If i hear a song i like in the radio and want to make a music video for it, I should be able to do it!

If you hear a song on the radio and want to make a video of it, that is fine, but like I said you should be prepared to not be able to share it on a large public stage.

A lot of people in this thread are saying "fuck the record companies", but there is really only one way to say "fuck you" - turn your back to them, walk away, and only work with independent artists.


This is the game JohnnyUtah, Spazkid and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:55:02 Reply

It's everything from everybody! I could/can/want/will use anything i want Goddamn it!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:57:41 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:53 PM, citricsquid wrote:
At 12/10/10 05:44 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.
Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(
hire that liljim guy he posts a lot on the forum and seems knowledgeable about programs

He has to finish redoing all the existing features for the redesign first. Because we always end up redoing everything.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:59:27 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:57 PM, TomFulp wrote: Because we always end up redoing everything.

Like Pico 2? Hurry up with that shit Tom.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 17:59:53 Reply

well i was making something with a song by the bloody beetroots so i guess i'm not now.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:00:16 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:54 PM, TomFulp wrote: A lot of people in this thread are saying "fuck the record companies", but there is really only one way to say "fuck you" - turn your back to them, walk away, and only work with independent artists.

Fuck yeah i will; and id be downloading my shit from now on, if i mind ya!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:01:14 Reply

Copyright: There to stop everybody making terribly made music videos.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:02:58 Reply

Whats with classics like "Hyakugojyuuichi"`?
They just consist out of copyrighted material.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:04:35 Reply

Damn those copy-writing bastards.

First YouTube, and eventually NG...

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:05:07 Reply

Excellent news! You are moving in a great direction!


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:06:17 Reply

At 12/10/10 05:57 PM, TomFulp wrote: He has to finish redoing all the existing features for the redesign first. Because we always end up redoing everything.

Having to redo my work made me mad you and luis are really picky.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:06:31 Reply

This is sicking. Just to squeeze more money from furfags like Justin Beiber.
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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:06:49 Reply

Love it.
This is certainly the way NewGrounds is meant to be.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:07:49 Reply

At 12/10/10 06:06 PM, EJR wrote:
At 12/10/10 05:57 PM, TomFulp wrote: He has to finish redoing all the existing features for the redesign first. Because we always end up redoing everything.
Having to redo my work made me mad you and luis are really picky.

whoops meant sad**


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:17:58 Reply

I have to agree with Rucklo, Sgt. Schultz Clock, Angel of Peace, Omega Red, and Zack Striefel on this issue. At the same time, I'm all for original content, but only if it's good. To me, it's not in the length, the animation quality, originality, or what have you; it's the end result that counts. Truth is, I think that there needs to be much needed copyright reform, considering how stringent copyright laws have become these days. That's the reasonably short answer, now here's the longer one:
I don't have a problem with commercial music and video game graphics in flash movies As Long As The Following Criteria Are Met:
-The subject isn't overdone (though I do like I Dream In Retro and Super Mario Second Chance).
-The Author has at least one or two original cartoons/games under their belt.
-The Author is just doing this to have fun and not use the site as a means to get rich quick. (More on this later)
This, of course, is one reason why I have both McFretN and Kine The Genius in my favorite authors list, as well as I Dream In Retro and The Undead in my favorite flash movies. Both original and derived projects live in co-existence in my book. On the other hand, I'm in favor of original content, and being original is good. However, that's only if the idea and the execution work; otherwise we end up with the likes of Minushi, Clock Suckers, Lethal Injection (or anything by Notorious), Leo & Satan (though I thought the first one was a laugh riot), Tarboy, and Waldemar Schuur's Furbaby just to name a few. This brings up a point that I want to make: Most of the authors who use NG as a means to get rich quick are usually the ones with original characters. (Examples: James Farr and those guys who submit motion comics.) Of course, there are original cartoonists who read what others have to say, post on this forum, or take the time to review other people's submissions. These authors include:
-Dave Lovelace
-Jack Smack
-Rick Marin
-Mike Swain
-RPGsrok
-Nitro Titan
-Dean Packis
-The Walrus
-Rokkan Saturn
Then there are those who claim to be ardently against the use of copyrighted stuff in flash movies in games, but when they use the aforementioned in their own creations; it renders their position null and void. And if they have been exposed for their fucked-up hypocrisies: then I expect their credibility to go down the shitter, followed by they being subject to the NG Assassin treatment.
Finally, there are authors who may not be completely original, but take the stuff they like and make it into their own. These are usually the most prevalent of the 'original' authors and most of them are well-respected if I recall. This is all I have to say on this issue, and it wasn't easy for me to say. However, I thought that my opinion on this issue was needed.

Side Note: Now, I'm all for property rights of all kinds, but I'm also in favor of copyright reform.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 18:27:37 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: $5 Penicorn!

I guess it was never meant to be


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