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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:02 PM Reply

I think forcing flash makers to only use original material is totally worth it. Although Super Mario Bros Z, the best sprite flash series (and, yes, only one of a few that are any good at all) at this point could make its own sprites, if it weren't for the fact that the sprites he uses for the main characters are the best ones in the universe. I don't see how anyone could possibly make sprites any better than the ones from the games they were taken from.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:03 PM Reply

Okay, I guess sprite animations are off limits to this since they are still covered under the parody clauses... BUT, what I'm hearing hear is that when we submit our fully drawn animations for instance we are not going to be allowed to use copyrighted sound effects or say music from bands like Disturbed and Lamb of God?


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:03 PM Reply

Speaking of changes.. When does the next layout update launch? Can we expect new features or just a redesign?


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:04 PM Reply

Smells like the Re-design is going to need people watching over the Flash Portal 24/7 :P

Though, daw. Times are a' changin.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:07 PM Reply

Should active artists who used no no songs swap them with AP content they find fitting? :P


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:10 PM Reply

WARNING - NOT SAFE FOR WORK LINKS BELOW! DO NOT CLICK IF YOUR A MINOR OR SENSITIVE TO PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL- THIS IS ADDRESSING A RATHER UNSUAL ISSUE ON NEWGROUNDS.

"The next time you need art for your game or movie, DO NOT image search Google and grab something from the results. Many of those items are registered with enforcement agencies that will levy strict penalties for unlicensed use."

Tom, as commendable as it is...you're seriously gonna have to clean up the portal of all sorts of Hentai garbage because it crosses the line of what you just wrote.

So that means that all "Porn Slide Shows" should be removed as well. That includes images used in so called "Quizes"

God I keep wondering why these flashes keep passing judgement! Ever time I see them under judgement I'm always "whistling" them. I don't mind Hentai. But it's NOT OKAY if it's just grabbed stuff from Google and put in a flash game. Or even worse, they rip off another flash or copyrighted game/movie and render it a bit or animate over it.

I fully believe that one artist who submits anything, should do it by themselves or at the very least credit where they got their sources from. And this goes for all forms of flash submissions. But I notice it more so with so called "Hentai Slide Shows" or "Rips off Hentai games" produced in Japan. Over seas editing has some issues but it's still not right to submit them as your own.

I know Hentai is such an odd thing for me to talk about. But it's the matter of artist ownership. Every time I go under the "Flash Portal" page and try to judge newcomers to the Portal, I keep seeing all these original flashes get blamed and Hentai submissions get passed.

I mean...WHAT THE F*CK PEOPLE! Don't you care what eats up memory on Newgrounds?

Often these submissions feature stollen or un-cited work. And too many of them are cluttering Newgrounds and giving it a bad rep.

You didn't have to play these games before to know they were stollen or rips or heavy editing from originals.

Here's a short list of various examples of good and bad situations.

Stolllen or Heavily edited Hentai games from Japan

If Hentai is going to be added in a collection...shouldn't it be "original" works of Hentai art?
And not some stupid quiz with images from Google.

AND THIS ONE MADE IT IN A COLLECTION.

God...Newgrounds isn't suppose to be a "Fap-Feast"
it's suppose to be a place to submit one's own content to be admired for it's quality or originality.
And should one "Fap" to one's original work...then the deed of submitting one's own Hentai has been accomplished with gusto.

An example of "ORIGINAL" Hentai works is from our own Zone Sama.

And if she parodies something...she always makes legal claims to it being a parody.
*I do have some issues with her parodying children TV shows but whatever. She's in the right compared to other NG thieves.

There are however some issues with some Hentai games that are enjoyable because of it's structure.

This one I have played and I found it to be hilarious! But I still notice something of a means of cheating. An animation copying over someone else's animation from a Japanese production?

And then there are the artists who I wrote positive reviews about their submissions because they tried so hard to make it work.

Joe silver is no Zone Sama...but his efforts and sweat really show in this "original" flash submission.
On a few occasions he was informed that they were stollen onto other sites.

Pornographic arts should still be protected with the same rights as other flash submissions.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:10 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 03:04 PM, Timmy wrote: I would suggest we allow photos to be submitted by users - even stock photos would be helpful. Because I need a nice picture of a rock for my next submission.

Also, please don't look at my most recent flash...

I would love to see this as well as a FX library!


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:28 PM Reply

Honestly, I won't be missing those sprite movies. I've always thought that completely original productions deserved more attention and better scores than those sprite movies. While often times they are well organized in terms of story-telling and the use of the sprites, I've never thought that they could honestly compare to an original animation of the same caliber.

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Saturday, December 11th. Print out his blog post and bring it in exchange for a $5 Penicorn!

What a bargain!

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:30 PM Reply

I personly take pride in buying my favorite artist music to support them. But is it truly bad to use a kick ass song for a music video? You are essently promoting that artist and acutly saving him money including the companies since they don't have to hire anybody to promote there song. I mean look at Mindchambers music video using colds song. How many newgrounders you think immidetly googled up Cold the band and looked up more songs from them? I know I did. Even linkin park stated on a interview that they don't mind fans using there music for there projects since they believe it promotes there band more.

As for the audio portal I personally just can't find myself to use it espicy when it comes to competition I mean what is stopping one of those audio makers to deciding that they want a share of your prize/reward since you used one of there songs for 1/8th of the movie? I know it sounds selfish but wouldn't you feel kinda insulted if you spent 6+ months working on say a madness day movie, using a song that some user made 2 years ago, that was produced in 3-4 hours. Then have him expecting to have half of your prize?

To me, we shouldn't be running for the hills, or should we be throwing firebombs threw the music companies windows. What we should do is educate them in the possiblities that come with users like newgrounders creating content for them. Its free, it brings there song out there.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:31 PM Reply

If we come across a submission in the portal, there are now only three options for which a whistle should be blown, will there be another option for use of copyrighted material? In other words, will the community be somewhat responsible for the policing of the portal when it comes to copyright? If that is so, what if the submission does have permission but the community is unaware. I think it's a good start to tell people to stop doing it, but I can't see a good way to enforce it. But I like it, I think NG will be better because of it.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:33 PM Reply

Fuck this.This is an insult to our freedom to express ourself. As simple artists who are NOT looking for a financial income for their ART this is like taking a crutch from them. By no means i want to dish the resources from the audio/art portal, but come on! If i hear a song i like in the radio and want to make a music video for it, I should be able to do it! As artists i think we have that right, yeah, we don't charge for shit we do. What's next? Fuck sprites movies cuz they are copyrighted material? Fuck parodies cuz they remind you of copyrighted material? All because a record company or a film studio want to make more money from a song or movie? Because of so called ''artist'' in the mainstream want every penny they can squeeze out of their ''passion'' to buy their 5th car, 3th house or crap they want? Tom should back to the old slogan: '' The problems of the future today'' cuz if we keep this thing up we wont be able to sing a song in the bathtub without being owned by copyrights.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:34 PM Reply

Sounds great, Tom! I could stand to see more originality.

Hey, is there going to be a Christmas Contest this year?

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:38 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:34 PM, smirkstudios wrote: Sounds great, Tom! I could stand to see more originality.

Hey, is there going to be a Christmas Contest this year?
At 12/7/10 02:37 PM, TomFulp wrote:
Now would be a good time to address this year's Winter Flash-Off. We will still be organizing a winter collection of games and movies, but due to lame economic conditions I won't be budgeting much in terms of prizes.

Link to full post.


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:40 PM Reply

I'm fine with this change, I've kind of gotten past the days where I'll hear a new song and be all, "OH EM GEE I HAVE TO MAKE FLASH ABOUT THIS!!!1!11" I do think putting together a resource library would be an awesome idea though, I'd love to see a compilation of sites and things to get resources and materials. However, I must bring up a point. If you're going to encourage people to use the audio portal, then I'd suggest you try to make it a little easier to find songs in the style/genre that you need. I've noticed that whenever I'm looking for a specific type of song, I usually end up either searching a keyword, or selecting a genre and then blindly clicking on a bunch of songs hoping that one of them fits. I don't know if it was designed to be that way, and I don't know if that's how you're supposed to do it, but it can be frustrating. I don't have a solution for this, I just figured I'd mention it. Hopefully the upcoming redesign will address this issue.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:44 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.

Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:44 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:07 PM, cast wrote: Should active artists who used no no songs swap them with AP content they find fitting? :P

That would be awesome if people did that.


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:45 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.

Truth spoken! I also agree with the Photo uploading and FX galleries...with the cuff of copyright material locked shut, who's to say Newgrounds can't expand into other fields? It would all benefit the production of independent creative works.


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:47 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:03 PM, PrettyMuchBryce wrote: Speaking of changes.. When does the next layout update launch? Can we expect new features or just a redesign?

Still no set date to announce. There will be new features that mostly enhance the existing experience... Hoping to better define the site and make all the content easier to find.


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:51 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Also dicks are still ok.

Hate to say this but that could be taken in so many ways it's not even funny...

At 12/10/10 01:12 PM, Billy-Bean wrote: What if it's a copyrighted dick?

and if you want a copyrighted dick google it. obi-wan kenobi picture shows up in the image search..

Serious note, what happens if there is still copyrighted songs played by someone that has the sheet music put up on ng? How wold affect someone that just plays songs on instruments?

Will you just take it down like they do on youtube or what?

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:52 PM Reply

there could be one but you have to careful!
Santa Claus may be copyrighted as well as carols, Christmas trees, lights, snowmen, Rudolf,Santa's Little Helpers bdsm outfits,"Santa Claus Is Coming to Town'',Mrs. Claus, the North Pole, as well as Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner (Dunder/Donder), Blitzen (Blixem/Bliksem), Jesus, his birthday, Hanuka, Kwanzaa, Mary, the bible, Snow, Pico, SantaCon, X-mas, Parades, Christmas eve, day, morning, day after, the day after the day after, Christmas Mountains, Gifts, Donations, Charity and Christmas Criticism coming of it material nature.
Merry Hol- opps i hope i haven't broke any copyrights.
I just wonder sometimes...if i ask for Christmas the copyrights of copyrighting, that means that nobody could do it since they would be breaking copyrights?

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:53 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:44 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.
Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(

hire that liljim guy he posts a lot on the forum and seems knowledgeable about programs

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:54 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:33 PM, idontknow2 wrote: Fuck this.This is an insult to our freedom to express ourself. As simple artists who are NOT looking for a financial income for their ART this is like taking a crutch from them. By no means i want to dish the resources from the audio/art portal, but come on! If i hear a song i like in the radio and want to make a music video for it, I should be able to do it!

If you hear a song on the radio and want to make a video of it, that is fine, but like I said you should be prepared to not be able to share it on a large public stage.

A lot of people in this thread are saying "fuck the record companies", but there is really only one way to say "fuck you" - turn your back to them, walk away, and only work with independent artists.


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:55 PM Reply

It's everything from everybody! I could/can/want/will use anything i want Goddamn it!

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:57 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:53 PM, citricsquid wrote:
At 12/10/10 05:44 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 04:58 PM, Rig wrote: This site needs a sort of job-search feature.
Have one in mind... Not enough programmers. :(
hire that liljim guy he posts a lot on the forum and seems knowledgeable about programs

He has to finish redoing all the existing features for the redesign first. Because we always end up redoing everything.


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:59 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:57 PM, TomFulp wrote: Because we always end up redoing everything.

Like Pico 2? Hurry up with that shit Tom.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 05:59 PM Reply

well i was making something with a song by the bloody beetroots so i guess i'm not now.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 06:00 PM Reply

At 12/10/10 05:54 PM, TomFulp wrote: A lot of people in this thread are saying "fuck the record companies", but there is really only one way to say "fuck you" - turn your back to them, walk away, and only work with independent artists.

Fuck yeah i will; and id be downloading my shit from now on, if i mind ya!

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 06:01 PM Reply

Copyright: There to stop everybody making terribly made music videos.


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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 06:02 PM Reply

Whats with classics like "Hyakugojyuuichi"`?
They just consist out of copyrighted material.

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Response to Winds of Change Dec. 10th, 2010 @ 06:04 PM Reply

Damn those copy-writing bastards.

First YouTube, and eventually NG...

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