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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:01:30 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:43 AM, TomFulp wrote: But anyone who is really serious about animating should consider buying a CD with ambient sounds such as storms, wind, oceans, etc...

Telling internet people to buy things.
Oh what dark times we live in.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:03:47 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:43 AM, TomFulp wrote: There are a lot of cheap CDs for that sort of thing, in fact this would be a good project for the Wiki. Ultimately we should also gather up as many free resources as we can.

YES!

Maybe we should consider a contest where musicians on NG create original performances of popular public domain compositions... :P

YES again! There are some just plain awesome classical compositions out there that are part of the public domain that I would love to see in the audio portal. There are very talented musicians here and I would love to hear their takes on some classic pieces.

At 12/10/10 11:47 AM, AngelofPeace wrote: Fuck this shit. Maybe you all aren't aware of the "fair use" clause in the copyright law which basically says you can't use someone else's work for lucrative purposes, but you my use it for instructional and other non-profit ends.

If I wanna make a music video about Eminem's lose yourself, and I'm not making any money off the video then go ahead and sue me. You'll lose.

People like you probably aren't the problem. The problem is that as the web and Newgrounds has evolved artists have more tools to make money off their work with ads that are put in their movie. So if somebody makes an awesome game or movie with someone else's copyrighted images or music, that's when copyright law comes into play. Imagine if Toss the Turtle used space images that were copyrighted instead of his own drawings? THAT would be a lawsuit worth fighting.

Lawyers truly are demons.

My mommy and daddy are lawyers and you hurt my feelings.... :(
Funny enough though, I want to get into intellectual property law more-so because Newgrounds and the whole internet creativity culture and whatnot inspired me to find ways to help artists protect their work from such a thing Tom is talking about. There are always two sides.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:09:40 Reply

Pure NG content. So much more potent. Huge advocate.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:14:58 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:03 PM, dirtshake wrote:
Funny enough though, I want to get into intellectual property law more-so because Newgrounds and the whole internet creativity culture and whatnot inspired me to find ways to help artists protect their work from such a thing Tom is talking about. There are always two sides.

Thanks for that. You're doing something about the problem instead of just complaining about it.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:17:24 Reply

WHAT? I was making a flash involving the song "I Can't Decide" and now I can't do it? This sucks!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:18:31 Reply

great post tom :)


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:19:00 Reply

We can use images from the site right? So if I took a photo of you Tom and have you sucking a dick that's all cool right?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:20:23 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:17 PM, TheMAM wrote: WHAT? I was making a flash involving the song "I Can't Decide" and now I can't do it? This sucks!

You can, just link to the song's page on amazon in your flash credit section, and you should be fine; and make sure everyone knows it's non-profit.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:21:24 Reply

Pretty soon, we'll have so much original content, we'll be attacking other people on their sites for stealing our stuff :D

I like this idea. Better to be on the offensive than the defensive.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:23:01 Reply

I entirely agree with your post,
also, in before Luis.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:28:28 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:54 AM, Lorkas wrote: Lol I'll still submit copyrighted stuff

really now? twas the one calling the black a kettle

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:34:39 Reply

I'm guessing the music videos section is going to be cleared out then?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:41:08 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:26 AM, Hyrcia wrote: first page

Also, thank you very much for dicks still being okay. Where would NG be without dicks?

Somewhere straight.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:41:13 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Also dicks are still ok.

You had me frightened there for a second.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:43:40 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:43 AM, TomFulp wrote: Ultimately we should also gather up as many free resources as we can.

I think we should definitely do this. While there's a lot of stuff in the audio portal, the number of good songs in certain genres is still very limited. It would be too bad if you had to drop your project because you can't find the right songs on Newgrounds.

Anyway, I understand we have to put a halt to this at one point. By now Newgrounds has grown a bit too large to go and disrespect the rules/laws.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:48:20 Reply

I actually don't mind this and think this is the way to go. Sure, NG was practically built upon parodies of copyrighted material, but NG and the whole internet has matured since then. Besides, the old material is still here and I bet you that there will be new material like this popping up every now and then as well without any issues. So there's really nothing we're missing out on since the best stuff on NG features only original work and nothing else.

At 12/10/10 11:20 AM, TomFulp wrote: Also dicks are still ok.

Why would dicks ever not be okay?


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:52:01 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:19 PM, Magyar wrote: We can use images from the site right? So if I took a photo of you Tom and have you sucking a dick that's all cool right?

As long as the dick I'm sucking is a photo of your own dick and you are over 18, and you file paperwork stating the model in the picture is you, with a copy of your driver's license for us to keep on file.


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:53:26 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:34 PM, Pesticide wrote: I'm guessing the music videos section is going to be cleared out then?

There is a level of risk we have been willing to take to preserve NG's past, but the problem needs to stop growing.


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:56:02 Reply

nice speech man
i dont create
but i am inspired!


oh sorry if this is the wrong thread , i dont usually use ng's forum

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:57:08 Reply

so some threatened to close NG..so what?we are everywhere man


oh sorry if this is the wrong thread , i dont usually use ng's forum

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 12:57:23 Reply

Being the music stealing image thief that I am, I'm... surprisingly okay with this.
At least now I have a real reason to animate "properly"

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:04:30 Reply

Finally, a post without numbers!

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:09:55 Reply

Well, for music, you had already found the brilliant solution that is the audio portal.
What I would also like to see, are some sound effects in the audio portal, maybe even a specific page for it.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:11:56 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:52 PM, TomFulp wrote: As long as the dick I'm sucking is a photo of your own dick and you are over 18, and you file paperwork stating the model in the picture is you, with a copy of your driver's license for us to keep on file.

Tom, you know an awful lot about porn laws...

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:12:17 Reply

What if it's a copyrighted dick?

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:15:13 Reply

At 12/10/10 11:55 AM, Rucklo wrote: IM GONNA COPYRIGHT ALL DICKS ON THE INTERNET THEN PROFIT D:

Lol.


However, there are a number of users who actually submit content and make money from it, and not always give the full credit they should according to Fair Use.

Might I remind you that the users who make money are using ad revenue which is using the ads, not the video itself. Therefore, we're still safe using ad revenue. If I sold my music videos on DVD, on the other hand, I'm liable to be sued.

Copyright law is both a gift and a curse, like a "fuck you for christmas" in the words of Eminem, of whom I'm a big fan.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:17:18 Reply

At 12/10/10 12:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 12/10/10 12:19 PM, Magyar wrote: We can use images from the site right? So if I took a photo of you Tom and have you sucking a dick that's all cool right?
As long as the dick I'm sucking is a photo of your own dick and you are over 18, and you file paperwork stating the model in the picture is you, with a copy of your driver's license for us to keep on file.

Does that mean you want to suck my dick? Tom, I'm flattered. But you have a wife and child, I'd hate to come between such a lovely marriage.

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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:17:42 Reply

hmmm.. I have a small poster of the jonah's brothers inside a garage of the game i'm working on.. hope that's okay... other than that.. everything was drawn by me.. and music and voice work was done by people on NG.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:22:30 Reply

I was worried there for a sec I thought Dick jokes where to be banned, that happens and we'd have to close down the site.


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Response to Winds of Change 2010-12-10 13:26:10 Reply

What about Open Source content? The picture I used in this Flash is off of Wikipedia, but the licensing agreement (which i just updated my Flash to meet) says:
The copyright holder of this file, LocalFitness, allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted.

I use AP music in just about every Flash I make now, and I've even got a friend in the Art Portal who helps me make backgrounds and stuff. Finding pictures of bodybuilders is an issue, though. :)

So, is that kind of use cool?


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