it should be illegal

[Rap1dash]

to buy/sell preowned games.

if anything, it's worse than piracy. with piracy, people share games for free without paying a dime to developers. however with preowned games, places like gamestop make a profit from buying and selling preowned games, nothing goes to the devs.

[TimeBender]

We should also make it illegal to share.

[desert116]

At 12/8/10 12:24 PM, Rap1dash wrote:

with piracy, people share games for free without paying a dime to developers.

True.

however with preowned games, places like gamestop make a profit from buying and selling preowned games,

True.

nothing goes to the devs.

Game can't be preowned if someone doesn't buy it first.

[KeithHybrid]

ITT: more Gamestop bashing because it's the cool thing to do

[darkrchaos]

Pre-own games should be legal because what if they stop making the game. The only other way to get it is by buying a pre-owned version. Plus poor family's always buy pre-owned.

[LordJaric]

You're an idiot, enough said.

[zooos]

Also I think we should make a rule that bans the eating of food that wasn't purchased by the eater. Families would have to fend for there selfs....

[Salnax]

I lent my friend a copy of the Bible! Now the original author won't receive his fair share!

[sweet21]

The devs. still make money if the pre-owned game is sold again.
in all it helps because developers don't have to keep making more copies of the same game.
Just keep using the original copies and keep em' circulating. Just like money, Juuuuuuust like money......Hmmmm......

[locusteman]

no it should not be illegal, why? It is just to ``garentuee`` for you to have a copy, dosnt change if the devs have money or not. They still have the same amount of money...

[36Holla]

Here's a thought. Without companies that sell used games, the gaming industry as a whole would take a big hit. Companies like Gamestop that garner a lot of their profit from used games, and also serve as a convenient place for people to pick up games in their area would shut down, thus limiting the consumers choices and for some people making it much harder and more of a hassle to get a game than before (Not everyone has a Best Buy around them) What that means is less sales for games as a whole, and less incentive for companies to make a larger lineup of games for consumers. Everyone loses.

In short, that idea is stupid.

[kmau]

I buy it - its mine - I do whatever I want with it.

[Dr-Worm]

*Sigh*

The devs do not get "nothing." They made their profit when the game was sold the first time. That's their payment for the work they put into making the game. After that point, it belongs to whoever bought it, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. Why should the developer get more money when they haven't done any more work? The only people involved in the sale of pre-owned games are the retailer and the customer, so of course they're the only ones who benefit from it. The only people who see this as "unfair" are greedy publishers who want more money in exchange for doing jack shit.

Used game sales are a vital part of the industry, and there would be massive negative consequences if they were banned. Of course, the big companies ignore this because they see nothing but short-term dollar signs.

And while we're at it: if developers (though again, it's actually publishers) are so concerned about people buying and selling used games, then maybe they should make better games so people don't constantly want to return them.

[orangebomb]

At 12/8/10 12:24 PM, Rap1dash wrote: to buy/sell preowned games.

if anything, it's worse than piracy. with piracy, people share games for free without paying a dime to developers. however with preowned games, places like gamestop make a profit from buying and selling preowned games, nothing goes to the devs.

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Trying to outsmart yourself is never a good idea, especially when you don't know what you are talking about. Let me explain.

The publishers and developers of the game get the profits of a game that has been sold the first time it hits the shelves of a Gamestop, Best Buy, etc. After that, then the game would be considered pre-owned if he/she decides to sell a game to a Gamestop or whoever else buy games and then sells them right back, which would be considered used. This is how GS gets the bulk of their profits, from selling pre-owned and used games to others.

You can't compare pirating games to preowned games, because pirated games are made without the developer's consent, and aren't sold in a legit store, means only the criminals would get the profit. Whereas the pre-owned games are sold by GS and others, means that they would get the profits, which in turn allows the developers to deliver their new game to them, because they know it will sell in that particular store. After that, it all depends of the tastes of the customer, so to speak.

Trying to make something illegal because you don't like something is stupid, and it shows how dumb you really are, and how much you don't know about how publishing/developing companies make in a given year.

[KillerGoose]

Think of used video game copies as a used car, it'll make sense.

When you purchase the game, you own most rights to it. The only right that cannot be broken is unauthorized copying and redistributing, otherwise known as piracy.

Unless there was a law on the redistribution of legally bought video games, it's perfectly fine.

[Jackho]

At 12/8/10 12:24 PM, Rap1dash wrote: nothing goes to the devs.

If its pre-owned then someone obviously had to buy it full price. Also DLC.

[locusteman]

K lets just end this by saying, the company like GS etc buy them before they get sold so the devs still money in any way

[Dean]

If the sale of pre-owned games became illegal, I can't imagine the developers would be any better off than they are now. Why do people buy pre-owned games? For me it's because I don't always have the money to buy them new, meaning that if pre-owned games were no longer allowed to be sold I still wouldn't buy a new copy of the game anyway.

[Jercurpac]

At 12/8/10 12:24 PM, Rap1dash wrote: however with preowned games, places like gamestop make a profit from buying and selling preowned games, nothing goes to the devs.

I know you're just trying to play the devil's advocate, but I still have to ask. Are you retarded? The developers get a profit on the original sale of the game. Once someone pays for a game they should have the right to keep it, sell it, trade it, or let friends borrow it. It's on the developer to come up with ways to entice the buy to making a new purchase or create DLC content that people buying used will want to pick up.

[KeithHybrid]

At 12/8/10 03:09 PM, Liquify wrote:

At 12/8/10 01:15 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: ITT: more Gamestop bashing because it's the cool thing to do

Because Gamestop is a piece of shit company that rapes our wallets...

I can give you thousands of reasons gamestop is a piece of shit right now.

...and it still won't make your penis any bigger.

[JabbaTheFeet]

The Devs get enough out of its first release :P

[KeithHybrid]

Maybe we should also ban game rentals, like with Blockbuster and Gamefly. After all, the devs don't get any money when you only play their games for a week, right?

[Retrospective]

At 12/9/10 06:52 AM, Jackho wrote:

At 12/8/10 12:24 PM, Rap1dash wrote: nothing goes to the devs.

If its pre-owned then someone obviously had to buy it full price. Also DLC.

Well, someone beat me to it. THe reason devs spend more time on DLC is because it's the only way for them to get money that could of been made through pre-owned sales. It doesn't fully balance it out, but it helps.

[locusteman]

it cant be illegal beside if you download it from the internet: THAT is illegal
When the shops like games stop and all the other ones COMMAND some copies, they PAY them BEFORE getting them. There is no stealing arround even you pre-order or NOT...

[RubberTrucky]

What are pr-owned games exactly?

[Dr-Worm]

At 12/11/10 11:53 AM, Retrospective wrote: Well, someone beat me to it. THe reason devs spend more time on DLC is because it's the only way for them to get money that could of been made through pre-owned sales. It doesn't fully balance it out, but it helps.

No, because getting money through pre-owned sales has never been a real concern for devs until very recently, because the concept is fucking ridiculous. DLC has been and is being made because of its potential as a revenue stream of its own. It does "fully balance out" because DLC money is money that the developer actually earned, while pre-owned money simply doesn't exist. Though of course now devs are starting to use new-copy DLC exclusives to dissuade people from buying pre-owned.

At 12/11/10 02:09 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: What are pr-owned games exactly?

Used. "Pre-owned" is just one of those nice newspeak euphemisms.

[ZJ]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, the auto industry also makes use of selling used products? Is that why they needed bailouts?

Is Sony and Nintendo going to ask the U.S.A. for cash because they're integral parts of the economy?