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My best friend has a Satanist Bible. He kind of just brought it up one day and told me his friend Chris got him into it (he moved here from Edmonton). I didn't really ask too many questions, because believing in Satanism as a religion seems a little counterintuitive to me.

And considering his friend Chris got him into it it almost seems like a poser thing to do. Like when you do something only because someone else does. But I didn't really want to call my best friend a poser so I was just like "yeah man, that's cool I guess".

I believe in Khorne.

All the other gods are a bunch o pussies with crappy beliefs !

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD !
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE !

I believe in Odin. I shall wage war against countries from overseas so that I may go to Valhalla in the afterlife.

At 12/8/10 06:01 AM, Seachmall wrote:

At 12/8/10 05:47 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: As far as I've read it, this is simply the statement of 'there is no God, so do whatever shit you want.'

There's a lot more to it than that, there are some sound guidelines on how to live your life (and we'd all be much better off if more people followed some of those guidelines).

Why listen to said guidelines, why does Satan care? And if your LaVeyan, that goes doubly so, why listen to "religious" rules as a non-religious cult?

I hear that Satanists actually do not believe in a literal Satan, or a literal God in that manner. In that sense, I do not quite understand why it can even be classified as a religion. Wouldn't it be more of a philosophy? Then again Buddhism doesn't believe in a God and they are considered a religion, although they could also be a philosophy. It really goes either way with them and perhaps it can the same can be said for Satanists.

At 12/8/10 11:13 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 12/8/10 06:01 AM, Seachmall wrote:

At 12/8/10 05:47 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: As far as I've read it, this is simply the statement of 'there is no God, so do whatever shit you want.'

There's a lot more to it than that, there are some sound guidelines on how to live your life (and we'd all be much better off if more people followed some of those guidelines).

Why listen to said guidelines, why does Satan care? And if your LaVeyan, that goes doubly so, why listen to "religious" rules as a non-religious cult?

That was my point in the paragraph after that.

It's not a religion in the sense it doesn't claim to have knowledge regarding the meaning of life, what happens after death etc. but it does have guidelines on how to live while emphasising forming your own opinions on how to live. If you form your own opinions you're not a Satanist because you're not following the Satanists Bible, sort of a Catch-22.

"Acknowledge the power of magic"
what the fuck?

At 12/8/10 12:20 PM, wehrmacht5 wrote: "Acknowledge the power of magic"
what the fuck?

"Lesser Magic is a system of manipulation that incorporates one or more of three main psychological themes: sex, sentiment, and wonder." - Wiki

At 12/8/10 10:58 AM, gekko007 wrote: I believe in Odin. I shall wage war against countries from overseas so that I may go to Valhalla in the afterlife.

I like this man. :3 <3

At 12/8/10 12:26 PM, Seachmall wrote:

At 12/8/10 12:20 PM, wehrmacht5 wrote: "Acknowledge the power of magic"
what the fuck?

"Lesser Magic is a system of manipulation that incorporates one or more of three main psychological themes: sex, sentiment, and wonder." - Wiki

explains everything

As long as it doesn't involve extremists who bomb stuff, kill pepole and can be EXTREMALY offensive. (I know its just a small group, but it IS sterotyping Muslims (for me))

But yeah, your belifes are your own. As long as they dont hugely affect me, or your Religion routines become very annoying I'll kepp out of it.

it is hypocritical to state that to believe in god is ridiculous ("People call me crazy for knowing that there is no magical man in the sky granting wishes") but to state in the same paragraph that you live by the rules of "Satan". Its just as stupid.

Honestly I think your just some 13 year old idiot, Ive meet and talked with idiots just like you and trust me no one cares or will ever care about your beliefs. Even the kids that fight you dont give a fuck about you.

Enjoy making no impact on the world.

At 12/8/10 01:07 PM, TimeBender wrote: it is hypocritical to state that to believe in god is ridiculous ("People call me crazy for knowing that there is no magical man in the sky granting wishes") but to state in the same paragraph that you live by the rules of "Satan". Its just as stupid.

No one is living by the "rules of Satan", Satanism is just an anti-Christian philosophy that promotes enjoyment of your life above all else (whereas Christianity promotes arbitrary sacrifices). It also states, among other things, that you shouldn't harm innocent people (something Christianity has never been good at) and leaving others to themselves so long as they leave you be.

The philosophy is mostly sound stuff you consider to be moral behaviour, it just argues them from a different perspective. Of course that's only a generalisation, different sects have different interpretations.

I read the Satanic Bible years ago in my teen years. A lot of it makes sense and will lead you to a fulfilling life.

At 12/8/10 11:39 AM, Ericho wrote: I hear that Satanists actually do not believe in a literal Satan, or a literal God in that manner. In that sense, I do not quite understand why it can even be classified as a religion. Wouldn't it be more of a philosophy? Then again Buddhism doesn't believe in a God and they are considered a religion, although they could also be a philosophy. It really goes either way with them and perhaps it can the same can be said for Satanists.

^this guy^ is the only person here who hasnt thrown in an opinion without knowing wtf he is talking about. so,, Ericho Wins, everyone else Fails what he wrote is completely correct. satanism is just atheism and humanism.

At 12/8/10 01:07 PM, TimeBender wrote: it is hypocritical to state that to believe in god is ridiculous ("People call me crazy for knowing that there is no magical man in the sky granting wishes") but to state in the same paragraph that you live by the rules of "Satan". Its just as stupid.

satanism is atheistic, the word "Satan" is so controversial that people just freak out at the mention and go to christianity which states him as being "evil" which he is not. Because your version of satan isnt real. Satan is the power of deep strength and force inside of you that you use to obtain your desires. in Levayan Satanism, You are your own God.

At 12/8/10 01:52 PM, Mortician97 wrote: ^this guy^ is the only person here who hasnt thrown in an opinion without knowing wtf he is talking about. so,, Ericho Wins, everyone else Fails what he wrote is completely correct. satanism is just atheism and humanism.

A bunch of people posted a valid analysis of Satanism, and ultimately what a joke the concept is.

Enjoy your harassment in the bible belt Devil Worshipper.

:If you form your own opinions you're not a Satanist because you're not following the Satanists Bible, sort of a Catch-22.

you dont follow the satanist bible. Its word is not law, its simply a guide with statements pointing out what true satanists already believe.

Enjoy your harassment in the bible belt Devil Worshipper.

im not s devil worshiper. thats called Theistic Satanism. Which is the OPPOSITE of Levayan Satanism

I once thought of Satanism (Lavey's system) as a nice way to think. Good views on dogmatism as a tool to foster inspiration, and the self as god. Frankly hedonism does still have a small place in my world in that the self is the only thing you can control or experience (your perception of the outer world is merely the reflection of your senses and perceptual being upon it). I definitely don't believe in any sort of judeo-christian creator-god. If anything I think "god" is just a reference to the whole of creation, personified later by ignorant, arrogant clergy.

As Voltaire once said, "If God has made us in his image, we have certainly returned the favor."

However he really missed the boat when it comes to the whole "foster the ego to gross inflatedness" thing. Granted for most people the ability to supercede their subjective conscious mind with a universal perspective is beyond their grasp, and as such (in the complete sense) fairly useless, it's still in my opinion one of the requirements for the acquisition of any REAL perspective. And even if the individual cannot Understand such things, much of the insight to be had from them can be translated as useful Knowledge to them.

Lavey all but encourages people to accept that there is nothing more than the present animal reality, but at the same time contradicts himself by encouraging the use of magic and ritual to affect remote change in the universe. Granted the majority of his argument for these rituals and such is the inspiration of the individual to change himself in order to make this change, but he undeniably encourages the invocation of intangible means that contradict, once again, his carnal being point of view.

As well I think that his "if you are stricken, SMITE THAT FUCKER DOWN" philosophy is highly flawed. I saw through that 6 years ago in ninth grade when I first read his Satanic Bible. Do you really want to live in a world where hate and rage compound one another to nigh unbearable heights? Survival of he strongest has its place but for fuck's sake, imagine if we could all drop our issues for even one moment and compound our Love! Problems like overpopulation and depleting resources are caused by the competitive, Me-first I'm-stronger mindset, NOT the other way around.

Ultimately I'd say his views on individuality are healthy, but his Spiritual approach is flawed to the point of being nay useless. Anyone with a modicum of insight or even inference into their greater nature, and the balls to accept it, would probably agree.

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

you suck boy.

At 12/8/10 11:39 AM, Ericho wrote: I hear that Satanists actually do not believe in a literal Satan, or a literal God in that manner. In that sense, I do not quite understand why it can even be classified as a religion. Wouldn't it be more of a philosophy?

This is true. Lavey used the title Satanism as a metaphor to indicate contradiction of Christian views. He introduced the dogmatic ritualism of Satan/Leviathan/Beelzebub/Etc. for people who still needed a system to believe with, but states outright that it's not meant to be a literal belief structure but instead a tool to inspire. Kind of self-contradictory.

Then again Buddhism doesn't believe in a God and they are considered a religion, although they could also be a philosophy. It really goes either way with them and perhaps it can the same can be said for Satanists.

Buddhism has Maitri families of different beings representing different types of thought, basically, but acknowledges that they are more of a creation of the mind to help embody concepts in meditation and visualization. They also acknowledge, much like the druids, that all the "gods" are just reflections of creation, one and the same.

In the Tibetan book of the dead it spends most of the book describing the things and beings you will encounter in your journey through the post-life. However, it states several times (the text being meant to be read to a dead person) that what you see is YOU, creations of your self. This realization, basically, being the ultimate goal of reading the text to someone. The failure to see your ultimate nature as god itself (to use different terminology) before re-entering the cycle of rebirth being the harbinger of one's rebirth into another lifetime and the success in this realization being catalyst to one's transcendence of this set of realities or, should they choose, rebirth as a buddha, conscious fully of their own nature and having chosen rebirth to help guide others along the path of escape, or at least mastery of, Samsara, the assorted realms of material and other lower consciousness.

Yeah.

At 12/8/10 02:03 PM, Mortician97 wrote:

If you form your own opinions you're not a Satanist because you're not following the Satanists Bible, sort of a Catch-22.

you dont follow the satanist bible. Its word is not law, its simply a guide with statements pointing out what true satanists already believe.

My point is that it promotes rational thought and forming your own opinions among other things. However if you're forming your own opinions I can't see how you could label yourself a Satanist as the opinions you hold are yours, they're not adopted from the Satanic bible. I'll try an explain this a bit better,

We call Christians Christians because they adopt Christian beliefs.
We call Republicans Republicans because they adopt Republican policies.
etc.

The Satanic bible says don't adopt beliefs, reason them out on your own.

For example, I hate the term Evolutionists and anyone who uses it. I agree with evolution because it seems to be the most logical explanation given what we know however I have no loyalty to Evolution. I would switch opinions in a heartbeat if I felt another theory was more likely.

When you call yourself a Satanist it implies a loyalty to Satanic teachings, a loyalty you shouldn't hold as someone who agrees with the philosophy because the philosophy rejects such arbitrary loyalties and conformities.

Calling yourself a Satanist seems completely counter-intuitive.

Personally all the bias on religion is crap. Any true christian would know from reading his/her bible that god specifically says not to try and push his religion on others. Personally I think the Wicca beliefs are probably the best religious guidelines i've ever seen.
-Do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, and if it helps someone then its even better.
As long as you try to treat others with respect and do the things in life that make you happy then I believe theres nothing wrong with it at all.
In my opinion Christianity has been corrupted since the first war started because of its religion. And even though its not as extreme of a corruption now there are still many people who are willing to say they are christian without truly living its guidelines. A christian can go to church on Sunday morning and among others preach how its so wrong to judge others and less than five minutes after they leave they can and usually will say the harshest things about others.
Also, one of the commandments states that you should worship no one other than him yet two of the major forms of Christianity go against that.
Catholics don't worship god, they worship the virgin Mary...
Baptists worship Jesus... Son or not that isn't god. that's Jesus..

As Christians you are told by the "direct words of god" / "the ten commandments" that you should not judge others yet when someone chooses to follow another religion you tell them that is wrong.
Well in the words of Jay from Clerks 2 "you should read your bibles sirs, youll find alot of interesting stuff in there"

At 12/8/10 01:52 PM, Mortician97 wrote: ^this guy^ is the only person here who hasnt thrown in an opinion without knowing wtf he is talking about. so,, Ericho Wins, everyone else Fails what he wrote is completely correct. satanism is just atheism and humanism.

I hate to tell you, but I've read everything by LaVey, I own a collection of over 100+ books on all manners of Occultism, all prime texts, have had many friends that were real official Satanist/Occultists (there's a difference between the guy who picks up a book and considers himself one, and actually becoming one.) And dabbled (and occasionally still dabble) in the "Dark Arts."
So yeah, you could read the Satanic Bible 20 times over, but if you don't know what parts to pay attention to, you're not really getting the whole picture there buddy.

I love you more than...

SAAATAAAANNNNNN!!!

At 12/8/10 02:51 PM, Anhkanm wrote: Personally all the bias on religion is crap. Any true christian would know from reading his/her bible that god specifically says not to try and push his religion on others.

No, he says the exact opposite. He promotes the conquering the lands of non-believers and slaughtering them if they resist conversion.

"Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places." - Deuteronomy 12:3

Catholics don't worship god, they worship the virgin Mary...

No, they worship Christ as God.

Baptists worship Jesus... Son or not that isn't god. that's Jesus..

Christ is lord.

As Christians you are told by the "direct words of god" / "the ten commandments" that you should not judge others yet when someone chooses to follow another religion you tell them that is wrong.

The NT God does, the OT God not so much.

At 12/7/10 09:05 PM, Shabbo wrote: I don't see why anyone should give a shit about anyones beliefs.

People belief is for each person only, there is no need to tell people of what is your belief of. To keep secret and modest is way for worshipping

dont know what your talking about but as long as your not killing, abusing or raping innocent peple im fine.

At 12/8/10 03:24 PM, yonokowhat wrote: dont know what your talking about but as long as your not killing, abusing or raping innocent peple im fine.

You're gonna hate me then.