Rocket Near La-who's Is It?

[BrianEtrius]

It's like the Guessing Game, except instead of personalities, it's a rocket, off the coast of LA.

It's not the Navy's and it's not the Air Force. The Pentagon can't explain it. And it's certainly not amateur.

This is a bit creepy.

[fuSEEk]

I'd say it's a Bulava missile fired by the Russian Navy from a Borei class submarine.

Major ICBM drill over the Arctic
2010-10-27

Russia prepares to test launch several intercontinental ballistic missiles over the Arctic the next couple of days.

On Thursday the Russian navy will launch intercontinental missiles of the Sineva class from nuclear submarines in the Arctic Ocean and the Pacific, a military source told Interfax. At the same time there will be launches from strategic missile complexes based on land.

According to the source, the U.S. has been informed about the test launches, in accordance with existing agreements.

The last time a Sineva missile was launched from Arctic waters, was in August this year, when the Northern Fleet's Delta IV class nuclear powered submarine "Tula" launched two ballistic missiles from the Barents Sea to the Kamchatka Peninsula, as BarentsObserver reported. Also the Northern Fleet's Delta IV class submarine "Yekaterinburg" has been used for launching Sineva missiles from the Barents Sea. Which of the six Delta IV subs belonging to the North Fleet that are going to launch missiles on Thursday, remains unknown.

The training will involve various components of offensive and defensive strategic weapons. Also the preparedness of space and ground echelons of missile warning systems and the anti-missile defense will be tested, said Interfax' source.

The next day, on Friday, Russia plans to test launch another one of its brand new sub-launched ballistic missiles of the Bulava class. The launch will probably be conducted from the rebuilt Typhoon-class nuclear submarine "Dmitry Donskoy", the only sub so far to launch the hi-tech ballistic missile. It has earlier been said that if the next test is a success, the planned third test launch this year could be conducted from the submarine "Yury Dolgoruky", the first of Russia's fourth generation strategic Borey-class subs.

http://www.barentsobserver.com/major-icb m-drill-over-the-arctic.4835882-58932.ht ml

[poxpower]

It says right in the article that it's a plane's trail.

This is structured exactly like what UFO people do. "Oh why hasn't the government explained this? Why isn't the president talking about it?"
Because it's a fucking airplane's trail, something that happens 50 million times every year and no one gives a shit except crazy people who take weird angled and blurry pictures and think that's a good reason for important and busy people to come and spoon-feed them explanations.

[Leap]

May I present a second theory?

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010 -08/23/danish-manned-spacecraft

They've just moved onto the second stage of testing, obviously.

[Ravariel]

If noone else wants it, I'll take it.

dibs.

[fuSEEk]

At 11/9/10 08:26 PM, poxpower wrote: It says right in the article that it's a plane's trail.

It does. Doesn't mean it's fact.

This is structured exactly like what UFO people do. "Oh why hasn't the government explained this? Why isn't the president talking about it?"

It's not that the government hasn't explained this, they claim they don't know what it is.

Because it's a fucking airplane's trail, something that happens 50 million times every year and no one gives a shit except crazy people who take weird angled and blurry pictures and think that's a good reason for important and busy people to come and spoon-feed them explanations.

It has been said that The Pentagon has less credibility than North Korea, so why would they want the public to know that the Russians are test launching ICBMs 35 miles off the coast.

[poxpower]

At 11/9/10 10:09 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

It's not that the government hasn't explained this, they claim they don't know what it is.

See you have to be careful with this.
Who's "they"?
Most likely it's just one guy who was interviewed like a couple hours after seeing the pictures and he just went "yeah I'm not sure what that is" and the article gives out the impression that everyone at the Pentagon saw the picture and they're just scrambling to find out what it is.

This happens a lot when something weird happens. If there's lights in the sky or a weird cloud formation, reporters will phone official-sounding people and ask them about it and when they get the almost inevitable "I don't know, man, can I get back to work now?" they'll go 'U.S. MILITARY BEWILDERED BY xxx!!!!"or some other such nonsense.

It has been said that The Pentagon has less credibility than North Korea, so why would they want the public to know that the Russians are test launching ICBMs 35 miles off the coast.

Or that Bigfoot has finally mastered interstellar travel?

If you're ready to start believing hugely unlikely things over extremely likely things, you can have a lot more fun than Russian Missiles and North Korean rockets.

[fuSEEk]

At 11/9/10 10:18 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 11/9/10 10:09 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

It's not that the government hasn't explained this, they claim they don't know what it is.

See you have to be careful with this.
Who's "they"?
Most likely it's just one guy who was interviewed like a couple hours after seeing the pictures and he just went "yeah I'm not sure what that is" and the article gives out the impression that everyone at the Pentagon saw the picture and they're just scrambling to find out what it is.

I guess you don't watch the news?

This happens a lot when something weird happens. If there's lights in the sky or a weird cloud formation, reporters will phone official-sounding people and ask them about it and when they get the almost inevitable "I don't know, man, can I get back to work now?" they'll go 'U.S. MILITARY BEWILDERED BY xxx!!!!"or some other such nonsense.

Oh, ok then; that explains things clearly. When has this occurred before?

It has been said that The Pentagon has less credibility than North Korea, so why would they want the public to know that the Russians are test launching ICBMs 35 miles off the coast.

Or that Bigfoot has finally mastered interstellar travel?

*face palm*

If you're ready to start believing hugely unlikely things over extremely likely things, you can have a lot more fun than Russian Missiles and North Korean rockets.

Russians got clearance to test ICBMs 2 weeks ago in the Arctic and Pacific, what makes you think that this could be an unlikely scenario?

[poxpower]

At 11/9/10 10:59 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

Oh, ok then; that explains things clearly. When has this occurred before?

Practically every time there is an "unexplained" thing like that in the news. Last year there was a spiral in the sky that was a sattelite and sure enough, people started speculating the very same day about how it was a missile and a rocket and all that bullshit.
Every time there's a weird sound in the sky, a blob of light, an optical illusion, a weird storm cloud and so on, people start making shit up about aliens and secret military plots.

Russians got clearance to test ICBMs 2 weeks ago in the Arctic and Pacific, what makes you think that this could be an unlikely scenario?

Mainly the guy in the article saying it's a plane.

[fuSEEk]

At 11/9/10 11:07 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 11/9/10 10:59 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

Oh, ok then; that explains things clearly. When has this occurred before?

Practically every time there is an "unexplained" thing like that in the news. Last year there was a spiral in the sky that was a sattelite and sure enough, people started speculating the very same day about how it was a missile and a rocket and all that bullshit.
Every time there's a weird sound in the sky, a blob of light, an optical illusion, a weird storm cloud and so on, people start making shit up about aliens and secret military plots.

Yes, but hundreds, if not thousands, saw this particular event occur and they can't explain what it is. You're right, It may well be an optical illusion of a contrail in the sunset.

Russians got clearance to test ICBMs 2 weeks ago in the Arctic and Pacific, what makes you think that this could be an unlikely scenario?

Mainly the guy in the article saying it's a plane.

BUT WHERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING FLIGHT RECORDS. No plane was flying over that particular area at the time.

[aviewaskewed]

At 11/9/10 10:01 PM, Ravariel wrote: If noone else wants it, I'll take it.

dibs.

DAMN!!! I was just about to call dibs...ok...but I get the next one!!!

[poxpower]

At 11/9/10 11:16 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

Yes, but hundreds, if not thousands, saw this particular event occur and they can't explain what it is.

No one cares.

BUT WHERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING FLIGHT RECORDS. No plane was flying over that particular area at the time.

Dude, this happened yesterday, give it more time before jumping to conclusions.
And note that there's not any records of missiles being launched anywhere either. And just because they don't have the report right now about a plane being there doesn't mean there wasn't a plane. It could be any number of things.

[fuSEEk]

At 11/10/10 01:36 AM, poxpower wrote:

BUT WHERE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING FLIGHT RECORDS. No plane was flying over that particular area at the time.

Dude, this happened yesterday, give it more time before jumping to conclusions.
And note that there's not any records of missiles being launched anywhere either. And just because they don't have the report right now about a plane being there doesn't mean there wasn't a plane. It could be any number of things.

Give it time? Isn't 27 hours sufficient enough for The Pentagon to come up with an explanation instead of "I don't know". Oh come on, you don't think they could detect a plane? If they thought it was a plane they would have said so but you've made your mind up I suppose.

[SolInvictus]

At 11/9/10 11:07 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 11/9/10 10:59 PM, fuSEEk wrote:

Oh, ok then; that explains things clearly. When has this occurred before?

Practically every time there is an "unexplained" thing like that in the news. Last year there was a spiral in the sky that was a sattelite and sure enough, people started speculating the very same day about how it was a missile and a rocket and all that bullshit.
Every time there's a weird sound in the sky, a blob of light, an optical illusion, a weird storm cloud and so on, people start making shit up about aliens and secret military plots.

actually it was a rocket malfunction that caused people to claim aliens, but your point still stands.

... if its the Russians again, why don't we know? we usually have an extremely good idea as to what the Ruskies are up to ... especially when they tell us what they're doing.

[poxpower]

Related?
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haha

[Imperator]

At 11/10/10 02:04 AM, poxpower wrote: Related?

I get $5.3 million next Spring?

Awesome.

[Proteas]

I was wondering where I left that damn thing....

[zephiran]

Hey hey hey! We're all getting a bit carried away here, we shouldn't lose focus of what's actually important right now in this kind of crisis!

Better arrest some muslims!

[fuSEEk]

At 11/10/10 02:04 AM, poxpower wrote: Related?
http://www.fark.com/cgi/vidplayer.pl?IDL ink=5746787
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haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcY06cAz Fc

Thanks for sharing, at least one of her predictions is coming true.

[fuSEEk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrc pA

Can we call that confirmed?

Even though I believe it was the Russians.

[poxpower]

At 11/11/10 03:14 AM, fuSEEk wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrc pA

See this contains a very common UFO claim: the pilot who says he's been flying planes for X years and HE KNOWS THAT WAS NO AIRCRAFT!!!

You hear that one all the time. Airline pilots, astronauts, military pilots looking at some grainy footage or listening to a story and then telling people THAT AIN'T NO AIRPLANE SON! It always sounds really convincing.

But you have to be careful to know how much a person's authority really factors into this. If it's an optical illusion, he could have been serving in the military for 300 years and flown every craft and fired every rocket out there and still know nothing more about this than a random dude you pick out of the jungles of Panama. A real expert they need to get on panels would be... a guy who's seen this illusion before and can explain it.

But I've yet to see that guy be invited : O
So far it's military personnel and laymen asked to chime in on what they think that is.

[Imperator]

At 11/10/10 01:46 AM, fuSEEk wrote: Give it time? Isn't 27 hours sufficient enough for The Pentagon to come up with an explanation instead of "I don't know". Oh come on, you don't think they could detect a plane? If they thought it was a plane they would have said so but you've made your mind up I suppose.

Pentagon's just down the street from me. Want me to go bang on the door and ask what's up?

[Proteas]

All joking aside, everybody knows how this is going to play out, right?

The Pentagon knows full well WHAT was fired out of San Francisco, and they aren't going to talk for "National Security Reasons." Basically, they did something stupid, and they aren't going to admit to it. So they're going to continue this little charade of "We don't know what it was" and remain silent on this issue, and hope that in a week's time people will stop paying attention to it, and in a few month's time it will be forgotten about completely.

Don't believe me? Let's look at this logically for a second. This is the Pentagon we are talking about, the U.S. Department of Defense. They employ 700,000 people, they have an annual budget of more than $650 Billion dollars, and they are responsible for all aspects of the military (which is another 1.4 million people and a budget of around $700 billion) along with controlling the Department of Homeland Security, that anal-retentivie and hyper little agency we all know and love. And you mean to tell me that they went on national television and said they DIDN'T KNOW what that thing was? Really?!

[poxpower]

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/

Talked about in this week's episode ( as I knew it would :D)
As usual I was right: it was an airplane.

It was an optical illusion ( as happens with pictures and video quite often ) and the reason why the tail seems to large is because of the wind. OOOOH! WIND!
The biggest nail in the coffin ( if you're anti-logic / government ): people who saw the trail from different angles didn't report it as a missile launch, because the optical illusion doesn't work in every direction.

[poxpower]

Oh and: http://contrailscience.com/

Will people learn a lesson from this?

Doubt it.

[Proteas]

At 11/14/10 04:13 AM, poxpower wrote: As usual I was right: it was an airplane.

Let me refresh you're memory, pox.

At 11/9/10 08:26 PM, poxpower wrote: It says right in the article that it's a plane's trail.

I made a prediction, you just repeated somebody something that somebody else said.

[poxpower]

At 11/15/10 12:18 AM, Proteas wrote:

At 11/14/10 04:13 AM, poxpower wrote: As usual I was right: it was an airplane.

Let me refresh you're memory, pox.

At 11/9/10 08:26 PM, poxpower wrote: It says right in the article that it's a plane's trail.

I made a prediction, you just repeated somebody something that somebody else said.

You have quite the detective skills, don't you?
Maybe you should have used them to figure this one out 3 days ago using the exact same information that was available to me instead of thinking it was a rocket and a Pentagon cover up.

[Gario]

Why was this such a huge deal? Seriously, stop with the insane speculation - there's more than enough of that as it is. When do you guys get tired of making shit up, if you don't have an answer to something?

[Proteas]

At 11/15/10 12:37 AM, poxpower wrote: Maybe you should have used them to figure this one out 3 days ago using the exact same information that was available to me instead of thinking it was a rocket and a Pentagon cover up.

Detective work =/= repeating what somebody else said and claiming it as your own.
Predictions =/= repeating what somebody else said and claiming it as your own.
Plagiarism = repeating what somebody else said and claiming it as your own.

And look! I made 3 seperate points in my prediction, and two of them have already come true; the media has stopped paying attention to this and moved on to something else, and people have all but stopped discussing the issue. Give it another week, and people will look back on this and go "That thing over L.A.? Oh yeah, that was weird, but have you SEEN the news about [teen star]'s trip to rehab?!"

You want to challenge me on the issue of the pentagon cover up, that's fine. That part is as much speculation as anything else, but I'd really like to see your case for them not knowing what it was. Yours, or anybody else's for that matter.

[poxpower]

At 11/15/10 10:15 AM, Proteas wrote:

And look! I made 3 seperate points in my prediction, and two of them have already come true; the media has stopped paying attention to this and moved on to something else, and people have all but stopped discussing the issue.

Yeah, that's true of EVERY news story.

The only prediction here was "is this a missile or not?" and you pretty much failed on that one, despite the available evidence given right in the opening link of the topic.

I wonder if Fox news will run the "it was a plane" story soon. They didn't wait long to run the "here's a military guy who thinks it's a missile" story. Guess he was wrong too. Maybe I should be put in command of US troops, I seem to be smarter than that guy.