Producers Are Not Djs

[Tc572]

If you are a producer AND a Disc Jockey, then none of this applies to you.

DJs jockey discs, work with other peoples' music and do beat mixing. They don't produce any of their own music and if they do it's through scratching discs and making other turn table sounds.

Producers make their own music and do not do any beat mixing. They also don't use a turn table unless, of course, they are a DJ too. I'm a producer and I have never used any discs to make music.

I've seen several producers who call themselves DJs when they don't actually use a turn table or do any beat mixing. I don't care if you think it sounds cool or whatever, but you are not a DJ

[sorohanro]

Beside "BIG NAMES" (aka famous people who actually make crap) like DJ Bobo (I remember that from my childhood) there are TONS of kids naming themselves "DJ" and never touched a turntable, or naming themselves "*something* PRODUCTIONS" and come here and ask "is there such thing as a software to mix music and stuff but not complicated like a synthesizer ?"...

I see your point but still, this is less related to "production techniques".

[Chronamut]

yes naming yourself "DJ_whatever" on this site is generalyl frowned upon and seen as noobish.. unless of course you're an actual dj.. but if you're simply a dj, then what are you doing on this site, amirite? Unless of course, liek you say, you are a producer too..

of course producers don't always make their own music - they may produce OTHER people's music...

[Krank]

I one day wish to actually dj in front of live crowds. Unfortunately I'm in BFE

[Cross666]

Can I be DJ Not-DJ?

[Chronamut]

At 10/15/10 11:00 AM, Cross666 wrote: Can I be DJ Not-DJ?

lol sure.

[Sequenced]

Kids these days... playing music on your itunes folder through a speaker does not make you a DJ.

[Syztm]

At 10/15/10 11:09 AM, Sequenced wrote: Kids these days... playing music on your itunes folder through a speaker does not make you a DJ.

It doesn't? Fuck.

[Ignyte]

I'm Ignyte, however I mad my name "DJignyte" on youtube because "Ignyte" wasnt available...

[sorohanro]

At 10/15/10 11:24 AM, Ignyte wrote: I'm Ignyte, however I mad my name "DJignyte" on youtube because "Ignyte" wasnt available...

I guess you're ok. You're not "DJ Ignyte" but more like "D Jignyte" LOL

[Spikrodd]

At 10/15/10 11:09 AM, Sequenced wrote: Kids these days... playing music on your itunes folder through a speaker does not make you a DJ.

When did true turntable skills get overshadowed by 5-second fade-ins? I mean, I DJ'd for the first time last month and had a ball colliding genres and tempos and such together. But if you just play the tracks in sequence with no human work to it, then where is the heart?

That's the problem with both sectors: lack of heart, lack of genuine inspiration or effort.

[Calamaistr]

might i add that (op is right btw) producers is a term for club related music, if you make 'actual' music not meant to stirr primates to be doing sex-movements on eachother with the use of soley repetitive percussion then you should be called a 'composer.

[Chronamut]

but the term "composer" refers to someone that WRITES music - not necessarily the one who brings it to life.

[ganon95]

personally i think DJing is kinda dumb...you get payed to play music and fade songs into eachother...i could edit an entire CD with what a DJ is doing and i wouldn't have to be there to play the songs...

i will never go with the title DJ because i just plain don't like it, its over rated

[Calamaistr]

At 10/15/10 01:02 PM, Chronamut wrote: but the term "composer" refers to someone that WRITES music - not necessarily the one who brings it to life.

i was just poking, though i mean it.

Composing is pretty much the same as bringing it to life, you just need to hit play after really.

I just cringe everytime i hear the term producer, its such a commercial term.. and in my eyes (and ears) wrong as a reason to make music, you dont make a product, you make music.

[ganon95]

At 10/15/10 01:07 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 10/15/10 01:02 PM, Chronamut wrote: but the term "composer" refers to someone that WRITES music - not necessarily the one who brings it to life.

i was just poking, though i mean it.

Composing is pretty much the same as bringing it to life, you just need to hit play after really.

I just cringe everytime i hear the term producer, its such a commercial term.. and in my eyes (and ears) wrong as a reason to make music, you dont make a product, you make music.

music can be sold, so technically it can be a product.

if your not selling the music then your not nessesarily a producer

[SineRider]

Well music can be thought of as a product of your creativity

[Calamaistr]

Well il lstand by what i said, i cant see music as a product or anything to be sold to anyone, you wouldnt buy someone elses music either unless its extremely bland and forgotten fast enough to be replaced by a new top 40.

Good music is timeless and free.
(like bach or more actual; campfire play on the beach or something)

[Kirbyfemur]

I think there needs to be a holiday for the audio side of this site. Where a code is sent throughout the sit and adds "dj" to the beginning of everyone's name for the day. So that everyone can be a dj!

[Chronamut]

At 10/15/10 01:33 PM, Calamaistr wrote: Well il lstand by what i said, i cant see music as a product or anything to be sold to anyone, you wouldnt buy someone elses music either unless its extremely bland and forgotten fast enough to be replaced by a new top 40.

that is the most pigheaded thing I have ever heard anyone say - who gives you the fucknig right to say why we buy music - we DON'T buy music because it's extremely bland and forgotten fast enough to be replaced by another top 40 - we buy it becasue we really like it and want to support the artist's decision to attempt to make a living off of making music alone.

while I believe you had good intentions by attempting to say that music should be appreciated for free - I still believe you need to get your head out of your ass.

Good music is timeless and free.
(like bach or more actual; campfire play on the beach or something)

[Calamaistr]

can you name the top 40 from 1994 or something right out of your head chronomut? didnt think so.

[Chronamut]

At 10/15/10 01:50 PM, Calamaistr wrote: can you name the top 40 from 1994 or something right out of your head chronomut? didnt think so.

no because my issue was never paying attention to the top 40 - only idiot snobs who like to spew useless information do that - I listen to music because I like to listen to it - not becauase of what place it is at.

money brings about the benefit of exposure - a music video on the tv will garner tons more exposure to a song than a song submitted to newgrounds. It almost feels liek you are trying to be so purist that it's actually backlashing.

Know this - ALL music is music - whether its music made in 5 seconds - or an entire symphony - it all halps to make the fabric we call society - the end result is what's important - if people listen to it- then the song has done it's job - you can gripe about it all you want - but not all music is made for every person in the world to enjoy - you have your genres of music that you enjoy - and the rest of the world has theirs. I mean yes I gripe about genres like dnb and hip-hop - but they just aren't for me. And thus I refuse to listen to them - I don't feel however that they are any less of a music genre than any other (even if I may say so sometimes :P).

I mean we can bicker about what is true music and what isn't until the end of the time - but its pointless man - it's utterly fucknig pointless - every decade has had their shining genre- and every decade has had their shitty ones.

rant.. OVER.

[Calamaistr]

At 10/15/10 01:59 PM, Chronamut wrote: rant.. OVER.

well fine if you think that way, and call me purist or elitist but i think like i think.

[Reaper93]

Lol, I call myself DJ ReapR cause it looks cool. When I make music that doesn't sound retarded I'll name myself something not retarded (plus, it's a jab at the idea of DJ's mixing music to create something original, in that at the start of my musical career I did almost nothing but covers/remixes, which by necessity is the only kind of music a true Disc-Jockey can make without being a producer).

Yay!

[Breed]

Performs music - Performer
Produces music - Producer
Writes music - Composer
Mixes music - Disc Jockey

Whats so complicated guys?

Being a producer in the music industry usually refers to a record producer, who oversees the production of artists songs...they dont necessarily make their own music by any means. If they do, then they are both a producer and a composer. Dont intertwine the terms though.

And all a DJ has to do is play music for people to be a DJ, its pathetic(like a lot of productions and compositions), but there are actual definitions to these terms ya know? The only one that really carries over into other things is the term "musician" which refers to multiple things.

Add the "Professional" prefix and you got a whole other subjective battle.

That aside, I agree, a lot of people call themselves DJ's because it sounds cool and they are stupid. Write them off, move on, the world is full of too many stupid things to stop and bitch about each one.

[Chemich]

There are people that do both, that shouldn't be considered real DJ's or Artists... but that only due to my personal opinion that commercial techno music isn't real music.

[I-Saved-The-World]

see, this is why my account is i-saved-the-world, 'cause im not technically a DJ.

Though i do want to learn. xD so.. one day maybe DJ ISTW? D:

[Breed]

At 10/15/10 05:31 PM, Chemich wrote: There are people that do both, that shouldn't be considered real DJ's or Artists... but that only due to my personal opinion that commercial techno music isn't real music.

Yes I agree, and hardcore music isn't either which I'm sure you know. Techno, hardcore, hardstyle, gabber, all that nonsense is the same non musical thing

[Tc572]

At 10/15/10 05:19 PM, LogicalDefiance wrote: Produces music - Producer

Being a producer in the music industry usually refers to a record producer, who oversees the production of artists songs...they dont necessarily make their own music by any means.

Producing can mean both overseeing the production of or creating something.
Produce on Dictionary.com

Composing is more about creating something by arranging parts.
Compose on Dictionary.com

In traditional music, you already have instruments that will create predictable sounds. All you have to do is arrange notes for these instruments and determine when they will play certain parts. Creating electronic music is very different. You create your own instruments and adjust them until they make a sound that you want, then you have to write music for each of them. A producer creates sounds that are then arranged to create music, so a producer is technically also a composer, although a composer is not a producer.

Basically what I'm saying is "Producer" is the best way to describe someone who makes electronic music.

[Breed]

At 10/15/10 06:05 PM, Tc572 wrote:

At 10/15/10 05:19 PM, LogicalDefiance wrote: Produces music - Producer

Being a producer in the music industry usually refers to a record producer, who oversees the production of artists songs...they dont necessarily make their own music by any means.

Producing can mean both overseeing the production of or creating something.

IN ZE MUSIC INDUSTRY I SAID. You could melt some metal and make a slate of it and be a producer, im not talking about that.

Composing is more about creating something by arranging parts.

Again, you are quoting non musical definitions...not the same thing.

I'm quoting music professors with doctorates who I ask to define terms all the time, these included. I am also quoting music books that I've read such as "Everything you Need to Know About the Music Industry" and "Mixing Engineers Handbook" and "Science of Sound." I'm NOT quoting Dictionary.com lol

In traditional music, instruments make sound and you make melody

Oh is that how they make music? =)

Creating electronic music is very different. You create your own instruments and adjust them until they make a sound that you want, then you have to write music for each of them.

Uhhh no, you don't, unless its your music. A producer wouldnt be making other peoples electronic music much either unless your Lady Gaga or something, even then, the producer doesnt get credit as the composer of the song.

A producer creates sounds that are then arranged to create music, so a producer is technically also a composer, although a composer is not a producer.

No logic in that. I drink milk, therefore I am an alcohol...basically what you just said.

Basically what I'm saying is "Producer" is the best way to describe someone who makes electronic music.

No, its not, its a term for something who arranges or oversees arrangement of sound into a final production, hence the term--producer. The best terms are actually songwriter, musician, or electronic artist--but good try.