We're bombing Iraq again...

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

I heard that America has one again started dropping bombs on Iraq... yawn... just another day...

It seems like we just bomb that country to keep the media busy! Who do we think we're bombing? Saddam Hussein? He's tucked away in his bunker finding out our next move! When we bombed Kosovo, we just hit TV stations and villages! It seems that America wants to show how "brave" it is by bombing a bunch of third world countries! Lord help us if we get in a war with a larger country like Russia or China. That's my rant, what do you think?

FUN FACT: During the Gulf War, you know what "tool" Hussein used to learn about military strikes? Spy Satelites? Inside agent? No! He wached CNN's coverage of the war to learn about the military's plans! And that, my friends, is true...

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/14/01 11:16 PM, GameboyCC wrote: I heard that America has one again started dropping bombs on Iraq... yawn... just another day...

It seems like we just bomb that country to keep the media busy! Who do we think we're bombing? Saddam Hussein? He's tucked away in his bunker finding out our next move! When we bombed Kosovo, we just hit TV stations and villages! It seems that America wants to show how "brave" it is by bombing a bunch of third world countries! Lord help us if we get in a war with a larger country like Russia or China. That's my rant, what do you think?

It's not that simple, and i'm sure you know that.

FUN FACT: During the Gulf War, you know what "tool" Hussein used to learn about military strikes? Spy Satelites? Inside agent? No! He wached CNN's coverage of the war to learn about the military's plans! And that, my friends, is true...

Which was quintisential in the victory over iraq. AS I'm sure you know the U.S. fained a marine landing in Iraq by sending fotage of a fake landing in saudi arabia

[anhnonymous]

At 8/14/01 11:22 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 8/14/01 11:16 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

It seems that America wants to show how "brave" it is by bombing a bunch of third world countries! Lord help us if we get in a war with a larger country like Russia or China. That's my rant, what do you think?: It's not that simple, and i'm sure you know that.

Policing a country with a fucked up leader isn't to be brave it's to put them in check. I don't know where you got that "brave" idea. The only reason iraq is a third world country is because saddam is keeping them that way. That country makes billions of dollars in oil, but saddam spends it to build his war machine. 3% of U.S. tax dollars are spent on defense believe it or not! Do the math, and you will be surprised. I don't know how things are run in iraq but I would put money that their "offense" *sarcasm* spending would be in the 20 if not 30 percent. He will not agree to terms on anything that we or any other country would offer on territory. The only reason we went to war is because he invaded Kuwait. We gave him the chance to settle it peacefully but he thought he stood a chance against us. His own soldiers gave up on him. The reason they gave us was that their wives and children would be harmed if they didn't fight. Plus he starves his own people to fund his war toys. Now let me ask you, if we don't intervene, who would? Certainly not russia or china, they have their own problems to deal with. Of course we have problems here in the U.S. that makes other countries seem like a perfect society, but we are a country that has alot of history and high morals. We fled oppression and our forefathers (heard of them?) established a government of the people, for the people...I hope you know where I'm going with this otherwise I feel nothing but disgust and utter pity for you. And the majority of the of our country would rather interfere than stand by and do nothing. Why do you think we have organizations like child protective services, P.E.T.A., W.I.C., Social Security...etc...because we care about our own and TRY our best to care for everyone else in the world even when everyone thinks its wrong. What is wrong is not trying.
FUN FACT: If I keep hitting you in the arm just hard enough for you to notice, it might not hurt the first few times but if I keep doing it...you will eventually feel the pain and cry for mercy.
Now here is where you reply back with something off the subject like "I would not cry for mercy, you don't know me!" Or you would point out that I mispelled a werd.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Anyhomous, most of the time I take your side (even though out views are drastically diffrent, but this time your instigating a fight that's off topic. Regardless Right now I'm looking to the subject and will post a report later.

[Slizor]

Now let me ask you, if we don't intervene, who would?

The U.N.

Certainly not russia or china, they have their own problems to deal with. Of course we have problems here in the U.S. that makes other countries seem like a perfect society, but we are a country that has alot of history and high morals.

Gerbuh? Alot of history? What the fuck is that meant to mean? Look at all the other countries in the world, they have over 3000 years of history, and what has the US got 250? That's fucked. High morals? Are you joking? It's only when your trade is affected that you move in.

We fled oppression and our forefathers (heard of them?) established a government of the people, for the people...

Ah how patriotic, however that is utter bullshit. If it was for the people then it would actually look after the people's interests.

I hope you know where I'm going with this otherwise I feel nothing but disgust and utter pity for you. And the majority of the of our country would rather interfere than stand by and do nothing.

Yeah, like the many years that the US had a policy of isolationism.

Why do you think we have organizations like child protective services, P.E.T.A., W.I.C., Social Security...etc...because we care about our own and TRY our best to care for everyone else in the world even when everyone thinks its wrong. What is wrong is not trying.

You thought about the NHS? Wait, you don't have that, I mean that's so caring, refusing to treat the poor for their afflictions.

Now here is where you reply back with something off the subject like "I would not cry for mercy, you don't know me!" Or you would point out that I mispelled a werd.

Picking on the weak, how american.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/15/01 06:56 AM, Slizor wrote:

Now let me ask you, if we don't intervene, who would?

The U.N.

I'd like to state at this time that more or less the U.S. Army is becoming a facet of the U.N. Rather than an independent army. Personally I'm against the entire U.N. idea. It's really just a colleberate of nations who seek to bully others to meet their ideas. Each nation should independently find it's ideals and excute them, this is why I respect France.

Certainly not russia or china, they have their own problems to deal with. Of course we have problems here in the U.S. that makes other countries seem like a perfect society, but we are a country that has alot of history and high morals.

Gerbuh? Alot of history? What the fuck is that meant to mean? Look at all the other countries in the world, they have over 3000 years of history, and what has the US got 250? That's fucked. High morals? Are you joking? It's only when your trade is affected that you move in.

I defintly agree, The U.S. really is motivated only by it's own trade and initives. America may not have the years that other countries do, especially sence many european nations where police forces before us, As the Coined Phrase Gendarme illustrates, and certainly or morales are no higher than any other being that morality is relative. America is no better than any nation, nor another nation better than ours, but it is mine, and becuase of that I feel pride in it's accomplishments becuase in a way they were accomplishments for me.

We fled oppression and our forefathers (heard of them?) established a government of the people, for the people...

Ah how patriotic, however that is utter bullshit. If it was for the people then it would actually look after the people's interests.

It does to a point. There is no perfect government, of course we have problems, some of us are working to solve them, many of us are working to gain personal wealth at the nations expensive, but not even your nation is altruistic. We're all human, no matter how you break it down into any subdivision, ratio, or statistic. We humans have the need... the want... the dependancy on making a graph to say, that one person belongs to such an area and I belong to a diffrent, but in the end one is no better than another.

I hope you know where I'm going with this otherwise I feel nothing but disgust and utter pity for you. And the majority of the of our country would rather interfere than stand by and do nothing.

Yeah, like the many years that the US had a policy of isolationism.

It came at a time when isolationism was very conducive. America was not a super power during the early 20th and really had no business in europe. Apart from trade maybe. Really world war one and two forced us out of it. If the wars would not have occured american isolationism would probably still be around and I would support it. If there were no world war one then there would be no balkins conflict.

Why do you think we have organizations like child protective services, P.E.T.A., W.I.C., Social Security...etc...because we care about our own and TRY our best to care for everyone else in the world even when everyone thinks its wrong. What is wrong is not trying.

You thought about the NHS? Wait, you don't have that, I mean that's so caring, refusing to treat the poor for their afflictions.

NHS? is this a national health care plan? Please explain. The reason for such things like this is that people such as I, hold the belife that although the populous is not full of philanthrapists, the government does not have the right to dictate where our money goes in such matters.

Now here is where you reply back with something off the subject like "I would not cry for mercy, you don't know me!" Or you would point out that I mispelled a werd.

Picking on the weak, how american.

*cough cough* India *cough cough* South afirca * cough Cough* australia, canada, AMERICA... a country founded on imperialism (beating a country and making it a slave) isn't exactly innocent either. Certainly we arn't.

[Slizor]

It does to a point. There is no perfect government, of course we have problems, some of us are working to solve them, many of us are working to gain personal wealth at the nations expensive, but not even your nation is altruistic.

Look man, I will state this once and once only, I don't belive in my nation, sure I live here, yes I will follow the laws(well vaguely) and I will pay tax, it doesn't mean I support my country though, I do not feel a sense of national pride, I do, however support them in football, cos who else am I meant to!?

It came at a time when isolationism was very conducive. America was not a super power during the early 20th and really had no business in europe. Apart from trade maybe. Really world war one and two forced us out of it. If the wars would not have occured american isolationism would probably still be around and I would support it. If there were no world war one then there would be no balkins conflict.

America was a super power in the thirties and they still followed isolationism, if they were a contry of high moral values then they would have enetered world war 2 from the start, not waiting for Japan to attack.

NHS? is this a national health care plan? Please explain. The reason for such things like this is that people such as I, hold the belife that although the populous is not full of philanthrapists, the government does not have the right to dictate where our money goes in such matters.

What so the heatlh of the people in your nation is not the governments concern?

*cough cough* India *cough cough* South afirca * cough Cough* australia, canada, AMERICA... a country founded on imperialism (beating a country and making it a slave) isn't exactly innocent either. Certainly we arn't.

Nasty cough you have there. See above.(near the top)

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/15/01 07:35 AM, Slizor wrote:

It does to a point. There is no perfect government, of course we have problems, some of us are working to solve them, many of us are working to gain personal wealth at the nations expensive, but not even your nation is altruistic.

Look man, I will state this once and once only, I don't belive in my nation, sure I live here, yes I will follow the laws(well vaguely) and I will pay tax, it doesn't mean I support my country though, I do not feel a sense of national pride, I do, however support them in football, cos who else am I meant to!?

Think this is off topic so we can close this.

It came at a time when isolationism was very conducive. America was not a super power during the early 20th and really had no business in europe. Apart from trade maybe. Really world war one and two forced us out of it. If the wars would not have occured american isolationism would probably still be around and I would support it. If there were no world war one then there would be no balkins conflict.

America was a super power in the thirties and they still followed isolationism, if they were a contry of high moral values then they would have enetered world war 2 from the start, not waiting for Japan to attack.

Probably becuase you're british you don't realize that the 30's in america are referd to as "the great depression" the "Time when everything sucked" and "When We didn't have shit to buy some soup.", Rushing off to kill and murder isn't nessicarily high morality. Realize that before the end of world war 2, the public really didn't know about the massacre of jews.

NHS? is this a national health care plan? Please explain. The reason for such things like this is that people such as I, hold the belife that although the populous is not full of philanthrapists, the government does not have the right to dictate where our money goes in such matters.

What so the heatlh of the people in your nation is not the governments concern?

Acually we have many failed initiatives, but mainly the only succesful thing that has worked is private hospitals and fund agencies to help the needy. It's not a matter of if there are those who need to be helped, but if it's right to take someones money unwantingly to pay for it. It's called theft.

*cough cough* India *cough cough* South afirca * cough Cough* australia, canada, AMERICA... a country founded on imperialism (beating a country and making it a slave) isn't exactly innocent either. Certainly we arn't.

Nasty cough you have there. See above.(near the top)

*cough cough* avoiding subject :P

[Slizor]

Probably becuase you're british you don't realize that the 30's in america are referd to as "the great depression" the "Time when everything sucked" and "When We didn't have shit to buy some soup.",

You know that it hit Germany the hardest? And they could fight a hugenormas war by the late 30's, but somehow America couldn't?

Rushing off to kill and murder isn't nessicarily high morality.

Neither is sitting back and watching

Realize that before the end of world war 2, the public really didn't know about the massacre of jews.

"The public didn't know", that would imply the government did, yet they didn't publish it, high morality indeed.

Acually we have many failed initiatives, but mainly the only succesful thing that has worked is private hospitals and fund agencies to help the needy. It's not a matter of if there are those who need to be helped, but if it's right to take someones money unwantingly to pay for it. It's called theft.

Like the defence budget? If someone doesn't want to pay for that, what happens exactly?

*cough cough* avoiding subject :P

You really should get some medicine for that.:P

"Ignorance is the weapon of many" Terry Hathaway

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/15/01 07:55 AM, Slizor wrote:

Probably becuase you're british you don't realize that the 30's in america are referd to as "the great depression" the "Time when everything sucked" and "When We didn't have shit to buy some soup.",

You know that it hit Germany the hardest? And they could fight a hugenormas war by the late 30's, but somehow America couldn't?

Being ABLE to fight a war, and finding it as our duty are diffrent.

Rushing off to kill and murder isn't nessicarily high morality.

Neither is sitting back and watching

Not nessicarrily, it's not our job to conduct ourselves as a police force, (or shouldnt be) If two nations have a war, that doesn't mean it's our business and sending our men to kill thiers does not absoulve us from guilt.

Realize that before the end of world war 2, the public really didn't know about the massacre of jews.

"The public didn't know", that would imply the government did, yet they didn't publish it, high morality indeed.

Faulty assumption.

Acually we have many failed initiatives, but mainly the only succesful thing that has worked is private hospitals and fund agencies to help the needy. It's not a matter of if there are those who need to be helped, but if it's right to take someones money unwantingly to pay for it. It's called theft.

Like the defence budget? If someone doesn't want to pay for that, what happens exactly?

The Constitution states that america must have an established military, however states nothing of health care.

*cough cough* avoiding subject :P

You really should get some medicine for that.:P

Can't afford it! Damn I wish there were some government sponsored health care system... If only...

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/15/01 01:20 AM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 8/14/01 11:22 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 8/14/01 11:16 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

It seems that America wants to show how "brave" it is by bombing a bunch of third world countries! Lord help us if we get in a war with a larger country like Russia or China. That's my rant, what do you think?: It's not that simple, and i'm sure you know that.

Policing a country with a fucked up leader isn't to be brave it's to put them in check.

You do have a point there. But is it America's responsibility to keep their nose in Iraq's business, if it is, why aren't we doing it with China?

FUN FACT: If I keep hitting you in the arm just hard enough for you to notice, it might not hurt the first few times but if I keep doing it...you will eventually feel the pain and cry for mercy.
Now here is where you reply back with something off the subject like "I would not cry for mercy, you don't know me!" Or you would point out that I mispelled a werd.

...uh... thanks! Lets just try and keep on topic here, 'kay?

[Slizor]

Being ABLE to fight a war, and finding it as our duty are diffrent.

But you should find it your responisiblity!

Not nessicarrily, it's not our job to conduct ourselves as a police force, (or shouldnt be) If two nations have a war, that doesn't mean it's our business and sending our men to kill thiers does not absoulve us from guilt.

If it's not your job to conduct yourselves as a police force do not say you are a police force!

e Constitution states that america must have an established military, however states nothing of health care.

Not a fucking massive military though

[KaneOfNod]

At 8/15/01 01:20 AM, anhnonymous wrote:

At 8/14/01 11:22 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 8/14/01 11:16 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

It seems that America wants to show how "brave" it is by bombing a bunch of third world countries! Lord help us if we get in a war with a larger country like Russia or China. That's my rant, what do you think?: It's not that simple, and i'm sure you know that.

Policing a country with a fucked up leader isn't to be brave it's to put them in check. I don't know where you got that "brave" idea. The only reason iraq is a third world country is because saddam is keeping them that way. That country makes billions of dollars in oil, but saddam spends it to build his war machine. 3% of U.S. tax dollars are spent on defense believe it or not! Do the math, and you will be surprised. I don't know how things are run in iraq but I would put money that their "offense" *sarcasm* spending would be in the 20 if not 30 percent. He will not agree to terms on anything that we or any other country would offer on territory. The only reason we went to war is because he invaded Kuwait. We gave him the chance to settle it peacefully but he thought he stood a chance against us. His own soldiers gave up on him. The reason they gave us was that their wives and children would be harmed if they didn't fight. Plus he starves his own people to fund his war toys. Now let me ask you, if we don't intervene, who would? Certainly not russia or china, they have their own problems to deal with. Of course we have problems here in the U.S. that makes other countries seem like a perfect society, but we are a country that has alot of history and high morals. We fled oppression and our forefathers (heard of them?) established a government of the people, for the people...I hope you know where I'm going with this otherwise I feel nothing but disgust and utter pity for you. And the majority of the of our country would rather interfere than stand by and do nothing. Why do you think we have organizations like child protective services, P.E.T.A., W.I.C., Social Security...etc...because we care about our own and TRY our best to care for everyone else in the world even when everyone thinks its wrong. What is wrong is not trying.
FUN FACT: If I keep hitting you in the arm just hard enough for you to notice, it might not hurt the first few times but if I keep doing it...you will eventually feel the pain and cry for mercy.
Now here is where you reply back with something off the subject like "I would not cry for mercy, you don't know me!" Or you would point out that I mispelled a werd.

I agree, if Iraq and other countries like it were allowed to practice capitalism, they would be in much better shape. Compare Taiwan and Hong Kong (two capitalist countries) to non-capitalist ones, such as Cuba, Russia, and Iraq. Eeg.

[Slizor]

I agree, if Iraq and other countries like it were allowed to practice capitalism, they would be in much better shape. Compare Taiwan and Hong Kong (two capitalist countries) to non-capitalist ones, such as Cuba, Russia, and Iraq. Eeg.

Oh please, Dear god, may you enlighten us to what non-capitalist countries are?

[anhnonymous]

At 8/15/01 09:39 AM, GameboyCC wrote: You do have a point there. But is it America's responsibility to keep their nose in Iraq's business, if it is, why aren't we doing it with China?

...uh... thanks! Lets just try and keep on topic here, 'kay?

China is a totally different country obviously. They take care of their people and most of them seem to be happy with their government, the only ones that have a problem solve it by trying to smuggle here in shipping crates. My fun fact was on the subject of bombing iraq if you think about. We can blow up the whole freaking country if we wanted but little bombings here and there prevents saddam from achieving any improvements to his military, which puts him in check. Thus enabling us to isolate casualties to the innocent women and children. And sleezo, what I meant about history was that we had to fight to gain our freedom, the iraquis don't have that choice. That is why we try to help them get rid of saddam. But propaganda makes him powerful. And like I said I don't see any other country stepping up to the plate to help the worlds poor. Our morals dictate us to help the needy and oppressed. My nation tries the best it can to look after the people's interests as a whole not individually you schmuck! Shit gotta go...don't think I'm done yet.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/15/01 03:39 PM, anhnonymous wrote: China is a totally different country obviously.

You figure that out all by yourself?

They take care of their people and most of them seem to be happy with their government, the only ones that have a problem solve it by trying to smuggle here in shipping crates.

China is a worst country than Iraq! Their government is just as facsist as Suddam (if not more)! In China, it is illegal to have more than one child, and if you do, they force you to have an abortion! Religion is legal, but only in government sanction churches (supposedly) filled with Communist spies!

My fun fact was on the subject of bombing iraq if you think about. We can blow up the whole freaking country if we wanted but little bombings here and there prevents saddam from achieving any improvements to his military, which puts him in check. Thus enabling us to isolate casualties to the innocent women and children.

That would make sense, although when you say "Now this is the part where you say 'No! I won't cry! You Don't know me...' blah blah" plus your pissed at the guy who was writing it just because he pointed out the obvious, one can only suppose...

And sleezo,

...hmm...cute...

what I meant about history was that we had to fight to gain our freedom, the iraquis don't have that choice. That is why we try to help them get rid of saddam. But propaganda makes him powerful. And like I said I don't see any other country stepping up to the plate to help the worlds poor. Our morals dictate us to help the needy and oppressed. My nation tries the best it can to look after the people's interests as a whole not individually...

They have that in China also, but like I said, I don't see any bombers heading over there. Maybe it should "Help the needy and oppressed, unless we have businesses under their government".

...you schmuck!

Now this is really getting childish. Dude, get over it! I posted my thoughts, you got pissed off about them for some strange reason. Did the store run out of Preperation H again or something?

Shit gotta go...don't think I'm done yet.

I particularly don't care either way...

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/15/01 10:46 AM, Slizor wrote:

Being ABLE to fight a war, and finding it as our duty are diffrent.

But you should find it your responisiblity!

This Is where you and I will always disagree, I will never find it as a responsibility to take a life.

Not nessicarrily, it's not our job to conduct ourselves as a police force, (or shouldnt be) If two nations have a war, that doesn't mean it's our business and sending our men to kill thiers does not absoulve us from guilt.

If it's not your job to conduct yourselves as a police force do not say you are a police force!

Did *I*? No.

e Constitution states that america must have an established military, however states nothing of health care.

Not a fucking massive military though

Preaching to the choir, i've always watned to take money out of many projects (especially the new multi-billion dollar project to update nuclear production facilitys) place some more in couter-terrorism/special forces, and elleviate some of that cash. I belive either sailas or anyhmous said that the U.S. only spends 3% on the military, however that does not count the secret projects or nonmilitary yet still military related projects (Such as Nasa's experiements for the military.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/15/01 12:57 PM, Slizor wrote:

I agree, if Iraq and other countries like it were allowed to practice capitalism, they would be in much better shape. Compare Taiwan and Hong Kong (two capitalist countries) to non-capitalist ones, such as Cuba, Russia, and Iraq. Eeg.

Oh please, Dear god, may you enlighten us to what non-capitalist countries are?

Non-Capitalist countries = Every country in the world.

America hasn't been Capitalist sence FDR's "New Deal".
America is coorperate, and basically that's the only reason we we're able to live through the depression of the 80's (damn reagan). It may just be what see's us through this recession too...

[wdfcverfgtghm]

China is a totally different country obviously. They take care of their people and most of them seem to be happy with their government, the only ones that have a problem solve it by trying to smuggle here in shipping crates.

I can't disagree more, China has a horrible humanitary policy, one of the worst in the world. The people arn't happy either, if they were then Tianeman square wouldn't have accorded, or the buddhist gong massacre. Sure there arn't many protest's there becuase... protest warrents death. Iraq on the other had is very please with Saddam having a 90 something % approval rating. The diffrence is Iraq Is fundamentalist so really anything they want to say they just add "Allah said too" and everyones happy.

:My fun fact was on the subject of bombing iraq if you think about. We can blow up the whole freaking country if we wanted but little bombings here and there prevents saddam from achieving any improvements to his military, which puts him in check. Thus enabling us to isolate casualties to the innocent women and children.

I'm not totally sure but I have seen pictures of a dead woman with her baby relating to the recent bombings, also if we wanted to keep Saddam in check we should have had a reason able policy. I.E. set up Z.o.C. Our failed policy towards Iraq is what's to blame, not Saddam.

:what I meant about history was that we had to fight to gain our freedom, the iraquis don't have that choice. That is why we try to help them get rid of saddam. But propaganda makes him powerful.

Iraqis consider their fight with Isreal to be a fight for freedom, so that arguement really can't be raised. Why is it wrong when an Iraqi kills and Isreali, but it's ok when an american revolutionary kill a brit?

:And like I said I don't see any other country stepping up to the plate to help the worlds poor. Our morals dictate us to help the needy and oppressed. My nation tries the best it can to look after the people's interests as a whole not individually you schmuck! Shit gotta go...don't think I'm done yet.

The U.S. owns the most slaves of any country. The U.S. has probably done the most harm towards the world of any nation. Foregin aid is a joke when U.S. corperations (namely Dole) in honduras pay 10 cents an hour for hard labour in 105 degree conditions for 14 hours a day. If america really cared then we wouldn't have started a revoultion in honduras when they tried to establish a minimum wage. (which started a 30 year civil war) America's Morales Are America's trade.

[anhnonymous]

Jesus people! So many points to argue...so little time.

I defintly agree, The U.S. really is motivated only by it's own trade and initives.

Because we are looking out for ourselves before anything else. For the people...

You know that it hit Germany the hardest? And they could fight a hugenormas war by the late 30's, but somehow America couldn't?

If you didn't know, we were the ones sending food and supplies in to east Germany because the road was blocked off from the west. We took care of the german and jews who were not in the war.

You figure that out all by yourself?

Yes, obviously.

In China, it is illegal to have more than one child, and if you do, they force you to have an abortion!

Well no shit. They have to control their population somehow, they also prefer boys over girls, but like I said that's a totally different country and topic.

And sleezo,

...hmm...cute...

But not as cute as the little drawing you have after every post...but I try.

They have that in China also, but like I said, I don't see any bombers heading over there. Maybe it should "Help the needy and oppressed, unless we have businesses under their government".

But you don't see china invading other countries and trying to take over their land. If they did that to taiwan we surely would have to step in to keep the red curtain from taking over. We have no business or trade with iraq, don't forget that.

America hasn't been Capitalist sence FDR's "New Deal".
America is coorperate, and basically that's the only reason we we're able to live through the depression of the 80's (damn reagan).

O contrer mon frer! Capitalism is alive and well. You must have a blind eye to it. We never had a depression in the 80's we had a debt and it wasn't Reagan's fault.

or the buddhist gong massacre.

??? If you were talking about the buddhist who burnt himself...that was in Vietnam.

The diffrence is Iraq Is fundamentalist so really anything they want to say they just add "Allah said too" and everyones happy.

I agree with you on this.

Thus enabling us to isolate casualties to the innocent women and children.

I'm not totally sure but I have seen pictures of a dead woman with her baby relating to the recent bombings,
Sometimes things cannot come without sacrifice. We do not have the technology to make bombs single out the good from the bad.

Iraqis consider their fight with Isreal to be a fight for freedom, so that arguement really can't be raised. Why is it wrong when an Iraqi kills and Isreali, but it's ok when an american revolutionary kill a brit?

You are talking about the israelis and palistenians. That's a religious war and we don't interfere in religious wars it's too risky. Okay...I thought you were a patriot, if you were you would know the history we had with the brits and their monarchist state of government.

The U.S. owns the most slaves of any country. The U.S. has probably done the most harm towards the world of any nation. Foregin aid is a joke when U.S. corperations (namely Dole) in honduras pay 10 cents an hour for hard labour in 105 degree conditions for 14 hours a day.

Those are things beyond our control. The laws there permit such slave labors. All we can do is shun the people who own those companies, it might not seem like anything but it does deter alot of people. They have to live with themselves and that's all we can do.

America's Morales Are America's trade.

So you don't have any morals? If you made the decisions you would standby and do nothing? Where would you be today, where would your family be today without that policy? We look out for our welfare first and foremost before anything else.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Anyhmous, it's hard to argue your points becuase the post is consfusing and you take random arguements from 3 peoples post, please redo this.

[anhnonymous]

At 8/16/01 12:18 AM, Anarchypenguin wrote: Anyhmous, it's hard to argue your points becuase the post is consfusing and you take random arguements from 3 peoples post, please redo this.

Sorry about that. Everyone got me all at once. That's the best I can do for now. Its too hard to argue every single one but if you noticed, I put you guys' post right before my answer.

[anhnonymous]

At 8/15/01 11:41 PM, anhnonymous wrote:

Jesus people! So many points to argue...so little time.

I defintly agree, The U.S. really is motivated only by it's own trade and initives.

Because we are looking out for ourselves before anything else. For the people...

You know that it hit Germany the hardest? And they could fight a hugenormas war by the late 30's, but somehow America couldn't?

If you didn't know, we were the ones sending food and supplies in to east Germany because the road was blocked off from the west. We took care of the german and jews who were not in the war.

You figure that out all by yourself?

Yes, obviously.

In China, it is illegal to have more than one child, and if you do, they force you to have an abortion!

Well no shit. They have to control their population somehow, they also prefer boys over girls, but like I said that's a totally different country and topic.

And sleezo,

...hmm...cute...

But not as cute as the little drawing you have after every post...but I try.

:They have that in China also, but like I said, I don't see any bombers heading over there. Maybe it should "Help the needy and oppressed, unless we have businesses under their government".

But you don't see china invading other countries and trying to take over their land. If they did that to taiwan we surely would have to step in to keep the red curtain from taking over. We have no business or trade with iraq, don't forget that.

America hasn't been Capitalist sence FDR's "New Deal".

:America is coorperate, and basically that's the only reason we we're able to live through the depression of the 80's (damn reagan).

O contrer mon frer! Capitalism is alive and well. You must have a blind eye to it. We never had a depression in the 80's we had a debt and it wasn't Reagan's fault.

or the buddhist gong massacre.

??? If you were talking about the buddhist who burnt himself...that was in Vietnam.

The diffrence is Iraq Is fundamentalist so really anything they want to say they just add "Allah said too" and everyones happy.

I agree with you on this.

Thus enabling us to isolate casualties to the innocent women and children.

I'm not totally sure but I have seen pictures of a dead woman with her baby relating to the recent bombings,

Sometimes things cannot come without sacrifice. We do not have the technology to make bombs single out the good from the bad.

Iraqis consider their fight with Isreal to be a fight for freedom, so that arguement really can't be raised. Why is it wrong when an Iraqi kills and Isreali, but it's ok when an american revolutionary kill a brit?

You are talking about the israelis and palistenians. That's a religious war and we don't interfere in religious wars it's too risky. Okay...I thought you were a patriot, if you were you would know the history we had with the brits and their monarchist state of government.

The U.S. owns the most slaves of any country. The U.S. has probably done the most harm towards the world of any nation. Foregin aid is a joke when U.S. corperations (namely Dole) in honduras pay 10 cents an hour for hard labour in 105 degree conditions for 14 hours a day.

Those are things beyond our control. The laws there permit such slave labors. All we can do is shun the people who own those companies, it might not seem like anything but it does deter alot of people. They have to live with themselves and that's all we can do.

America's Morales Are America's trade.

So you don't have any morals? If you made the decisions you would standby and do nothing? Where would you be today, where would your family be today without that policy? We look out for our welfare first and foremost before anything else.

I hope this works out better.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

You know that it hit Germany the hardest? And they could fight a hugenormas war by the late 30's, but somehow America couldn't?

If you didn't know, we were the ones sending food and supplies in to east Germany because the road was blocked off from the west. We took care of the german and jews who were not in the war.

We? Meaning the allied forces? The brisith helped in the berlin air lift as well as the french. Anyway we were talking about the 30's not the 50s.

They have that in China also, but like I said, I don't see any bombers heading over there. Maybe it should "Help the needy and oppressed, unless we have businesses under their government".

But you don't see china invading other countries and trying to take over their land. If they did that to taiwan we surely would have to step in to keep the red curtain from taking over. We have no business or trade with iraq, don't forget that.

China acually HAS expanded into tibet, and is continuously trying to attack Taiwan, which Is causing america great trouble.

America hasn't been Capitalist sence FDR's "New Deal".
America is coorperate, and basically that's the only reason we we're able to live through the depression of the 80's (damn reagan).

O contrer mon frer! Capitalism is alive and well. You must have a blind eye to it. We never had a depression in the 80's we had a debt and it wasn't Reagan's fault.

Almost everything you said here is false. First, capitalism is lazzie faire, our society however is corperate in that we have laws governing business practices as well as governmental seocial insurance. For instance In a Capitalist society, if a bank gets robbed then their screwd those who use the banks services are out unless the bank robber is caught and the money returned. In america's corperate society, the government insures bank users for up to 20,000 (?) dollars incase of robbery.

or the buddhist gong massacre.

??? If you were talking about the buddhist who burnt himself...that was in Vietnam.

... No. The Buddhist gong massacre is a recent event where a buddhist clique gatherd around a gong and silently prayed for change. They were massacred. Anyway this is off the subject.

Iraqis consider their fight with Isreal to be a fight for freedom, so that arguement really can't be raised. Why is it wrong when an Iraqi kills and Isreali, but it's ok when an american revolutionary kill a brit?

You are talking about the israelis and palistenians. That's a religious war and we don't interfere in religious wars it's too risky. Okay...I thought you were a patriot, if you were you would know the history we had with the brits and their monarchist state of government.

No. If I were talking about the Israeli palistinian conflict, I would proably say something to the point of "The isreali palistinian conflict." However if you read what I said, I adressed it as IRAQ. The arabian coalition in the 60's, comprised of Iraq, iran, Egypt, Palestine, and a few others started a series of wars, presently palestine and Iraq are the only countries who have not singed a peace treaty, thats why Saddam launched sceds into Bel Aviv during the gulf war. Also I am a patriot, I pointed out that in the few of Iraq, the war against isreal is a war of Indepence.

The U.S. owns the most slaves of any country. The U.S. has probably done the most harm towards the world of any nation. Foregin aid is a joke when U.S. corperations (namely Dole) in honduras pay 10 cents an hour for hard labour in 105 degree conditions for 14 hours a day.

Those are things beyond our control. The laws there permit such slave labors. All we can do is shun the people who own those companies, it might not seem like anything but it does deter alot of people. They have to live with themselves and that's all we can do.

No it's not, I started a topic about this and my proposed soultion to it on this board. Please go there. I propose that U.S. domestic business's have an established minimum wage in foregin areas. Also I propose that in foregin areas, domestic companies must follow domestic as well as the counties enviromental laws and policies.

America's Morales Are America's trade.

So you don't have any morals? If you made the decisions you would standby and do nothing? Where would you be today, where would your family be today without that policy? We look out for our welfare first and foremost before anything else.

America is a nation. I am an americaN. My morales do not reflect the actions of my country. Making assumptions like this are simply just fogging the debate and getting off topic.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

sorry to add this on down here, but yes in the 80's america fell into a light depression. Reagan started the national debt with his voodoo econmics bull and over spending money on useless nukes and weapons. I've heard and seen in person grobachev say that the american build up had nothing to do with the dissolution and compromise of the Soviet Union. Reagan set america into a debt that it has yet to balance, Also Frere is spelled with two r's and two e's.

[Slizor]

Because we are looking out for ourselves before anything else. For the people...

But I thought you were the police force of the world, who are totally and utterly fair, I wonder how I got that impression, oh yeah, your first post!

If you didn't know, we were the ones sending food and supplies in to east Germany because the road was blocked off from the west. We took care of the german and jews who were not in the war.

East Germany was in the war.

But you don't see china invading other countries and trying to take over their land. If they did that to taiwan we surely would have to step in to keep the red curtain from taking over. We have no business or trade with iraq, don't forget that.

SO why would that be?

[pyroarchy]

Oh sure just piss off the #1 supplier of raw petroleum so gas prices go up for my broke ass to buy. Damn I wish this military would stop acting like Captain Planet and stop fucking with other people, they will learn by their mistakes eventually. We need to stop wasting so much money on bombing those places and spend more on how public schools are operated.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/16/01 07:50 AM, pyroarchy wrote: Damn I wish this military would stop acting like Captain Planet and stop fucking with other people, they will learn by their mistakes eventually.

I would have thought they already had, Vietnam anyone?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/16/01 07:50 AM, pyroarchy wrote: Oh sure just piss off the #1 supplier of raw petroleum so gas prices go up for my broke ass to buy. Damn I wish this military would stop acting like Captain Planet and stop fucking with other people, they will learn by their mistakes eventually. We need to stop wasting so much money on bombing those places and spend more on how public schools are operated.

First this is riddled with falicies. Iraq is not the #1 supplier of petrol. It's saudi arabia maybe? Kuwai? I'm not sure, but theres always domestic as well as Russian reserves.

Next the military playing Captain planet? In this case their not even close to do whats right for the world, we're talking about peoples lives, we need to figure out whats right and what's wrong, when people die, your fucking gas price arn't the main concern.

[pyroarchy]

First this is riddled with falicies. Iraq is not the #1 supplier of petrol. It's saudi arabia maybe? Kuwai? I'm not sure, but theres always domestic as well as Russian reserves.

Next the military playing Captain planet? In this case their not even close to do whats right for the world, we're talking about peoples lives, we need to figure out whats right and what's wrong, when people die, your fucking gas price arn't the main concern.

my gas is precious, without it my car would die that means upset pyroarchy...