Vienna Special Edition

[Rucklo]

ohai guise, i just bought Vienna speschal edition, because i'm speschal.

Anyone else who've used this soundbank, or something else from Vienna? What do you think of it and whatnot?
I was choosing between thisone, or east west gold, or whatever it's called. since they didn't have the latter, i just looked through some other sample-banks like Miroslav and some Vallander stuff, but decided to go with Vienna.

Cost me pretty much all money I had, so this shit better be worth it... First off I got a little puzzled since there was no USB-key included, there's a small text on the back of the package that says "vienna-key required" or whatever... i of course missed that part, and on top of that the dudes from the store had no idea (the one who might have known was sick). Luckily I was able to use my Cubase USB-dongle, but the whole installation process have been kinda sketchy, with things/options not popping up as they should until re-entering discs, and I'm currently awaiting the second installation of the soundbank, as the first one terminated just before it was complete... it takes like 50 min to get the whole 60GB in there, so I got kinda pissed off. And I'll get even more pissed off if this shit won't work a second time, as it in that case is disc 4/4 at the very end that won't work... >:(

fucking waiting fuck piss shit I WANNA DO MAEK MUSAKK DAMMMMIT...

[eatmeatleet]

lol what about consult here before buying it not afterwards xD

[blackattackbitch]

I've always wanted to get my hands on a vienna library, but that thing costs money. Like 3 times my paycheck money.

Personally, I would have bought eastwest though. More bang for your buck, just slightly lower quality. Either that, or GPO.

[Buoy]

lol, installing huge-ass software libraries is funn... I think I've installed Omnisphere and NI Komplete three times each or something.

Why did you get Vienna stuff btw? You gonna go all orchestral on my sorry ass now?

[Chronamut]

you should have used that money to buy yourself a real orchestra :P

[Rucklo]

At 9/15/10 02:46 PM, eatmeatleet wrote: lol what about consult here before buying it not afterwards xD

weeell, i pretty much already had made my mind up, i'm just curious if there's somone else out there who use this specific package (or any other vienna bundle). i mean, i already heard the stuff before, and know that the samples are damn amazing... :)

At 9/15/10 02:52 PM, blackattackbitch wrote: I've always wanted to get my hands on a vienna library, but that thing costs money. Like 3 times my paycheck money.

Personally, I would have bought eastwest though. More bang for your buck, just slightly lower quality. Either that, or GPO.

This version cost me about 500USD, which was all I had... there are heavier libraries out there, stuff for around 100k USD and such. that's OMFG :|
I'm under the impression that alot of people use eastwest, so i figured it'd be fun to go for something else. :)

At 9/15/10 02:54 PM, SBB wrote: lol, installing huge-ass software libraries is funn... I think I've installed Omnisphere and NI Komplete three times each or something.

Why did you get Vienna stuff btw? You gonna go all orchestral on my sorry ass now?

lolol, i hope i don't have to reformat this comp in a while...
i've always wanted to make orchestral stuff, as for breakbeats and such, s´tossing in orchestral elements can make shit sooo grand... just listen to UK-based breakbeat artists Hybrid.

Apart from that, I actually started out making music with the goal of making music for my own movies, so that kind of stuff is at the back of my head. Plus reason factory soundbank just don't do the trick...

At 9/15/10 03:01 PM, Chronamut wrote: you should have used that money to buy yourself a real orchestra :P

wouldn't have gotten much of an orchestra for 500 usd, really... it'd be fun to see how much a pro orchestra cost for one day, say 30 people or so...

[Reaper93]

I've heard 80 piece orchestras run about between 400 and 800 dollars an hour generally.

[TheBenjerman]

At 9/15/10 05:25 PM, Reaper93 wrote: I've heard 80 piece orchestras run about between 400 and 800 dollars an hour generally.

Ummm, maybe a sucky one? Like a really sucky one? In my experience professional orchestras start paying performers about $100 an hour and go up from there. Then the conductor gets his extra pay, and you have to pay for the hall/space.

If you want an 80 piece orchestra (though 80 is a little bit of an odd number, don't you think?) and you want decent sound, you'd better expect to pay at least $8,500 an hour, but probably a good deal more.

Have fun!

[BrokenDeck]

Hiring a world calss orchestra is something like $50,000 a day. And that's just for starters. If you want something like the LSO, I'm sure you'd have to pay even more. That's a lot of money. A lot of people don't even earn that much in a YEAR.

Rucklo I think you're better off with Vienna anyways. I have EWQL gold and there's a lot of thngs about it you'd probably not like, like memory error pop-ups every project start-up and similiar things... Anyways, welcome to the classical club? lol :D

[blackattackbitch]

At 9/15/10 08:00 PM, TheBenjerman wrote:

At 9/15/10 05:25 PM, Reaper93 wrote: I've heard 80 piece orchestras run about between 400 and 800 dollars an hour generally.

Ummm, maybe a sucky one? Like a really sucky one? In my experience professional orchestras start paying performers about $100 an hour and go up from there. Then the conductor gets his extra pay, and you have to pay for the hall/space.

If you want an 80 piece orchestra (though 80 is a little bit of an odd number, don't you think?) and you want decent sound, you'd better expect to pay at least $8,500 an hour, but probably a good deal more.

Have fun!

Yeah, 400 for an orchestra doesn't even sound right when you consider that the instruments themselves cost several times that.

[BrokenDeck]

400 dollars an hour generally.

That might pay for a peni* I mean pianist. A crappy one at that.

[TheBenjerman]

At 9/15/10 09:09 PM, blackattackbitch wrote: Yeah, 400 for an orchestra doesn't even sound right when you consider that the instruments themselves cost several times that.

Now that is actually an interesting point. Most of the symphony members I know have significantly more money invested in their instruments than their houses. Hundreds of thousands of dollars usually, and they are often rented, leased, or similar. It is a precarious profession.

[Breed]

On the topic of ranting about "amazing" orchestral stuff

Why are all these top-of-the-line expensive ass software packages put together by ghetto ass software engineers from the late 90s?

Shouldn't paying more result in some kind of nice integration?

Jesus fuck.
I feel almost like I wasted 1500 bucks on the whole 7package composers shit from East West...random blow out +3dB white noise, system crashing, can't open anything after updating, failure to use bridges, etc etc....

[PeterSatera]

I dont tend to get any of the random crashing with eastwest because I use Kontakt with it, however what I don't like about EW Orchestra is that it has built in reverb which can't be disabled. Thats great n' all if you only use EW stuff, but matching it with other packages like GPO or Miroslav etc can be an ass as they use optional reverb.

It means when you try to put an over all conv' reverb like altiverb to give the impression they are in a hall you have this extra reverb on the EW instruments. Which is uber gay.

[Reaper93]

Well I heard that from some guy over on an EastWest-dedicated forum, not saying it's right. I thought it'd be significantly more but he talked like he's hired one before. Maybe specifically for recording it's cheaper than for performances? I dunno.

Or maybe he was just wrong. Either/or.

[Breed]

At 9/16/10 04:15 PM, benyue1978 wrote:

Or maybe he was just wrong. Either/or.

Oh so you don't research the facts before spouting it out? And you "heard"? Nice try at covering yourself buddy. You didn't have a clue and you got caught being clueless.

Whoa there, people can be wrong, you don't have to attempt to scorn them...only scorn when you include a valuable lesson, scorning just to scorn is a dick move.

You weren't even the person to correct him...

[aDeafBat]

Has anyone tried miroslav philharmonik?

[Rucklo]

At 9/16/10 11:02 PM, aDeafBat wrote: Has anyone tried miroslav philharmonik?

i tried out one of the miroslav libraries, but wasn't all too impressed of how it sounded... there might be many different libraries, i'm not sure... the one i tried was fairly cheap. and sounded that way.

[PeterSatera]

At 9/16/10 11:02 PM, aDeafBat wrote: Has anyone tried miroslav philharmonik?

Yeah, it doesnt really hold up against the other Symphonic Orchestras out there. I'd Say its on the Par with Edirol Orchestra and GPO. That kind of category. EW is better in comparison.

[Rottenbeard]

I've tried EW but it seems to only offer one sound, which is the hollywood sound, if you want to do anything different you're pretty much out of luck. It also doesn't offer very convincing solo instruments from what i've heard. I've also seen some people comlain of limited articulations though that's not something i'd personally experienced cause i'm just not that advanced ;)

Vienna is at the top of the game IMO and will do the hollywood sound as well as more typical classical scores. Well, either Vienna or LASS, both sound absolutely amazing to me, especially on solo instruments, which is where you can really tell the good libraries from the OK libraries apart. It's not too difficult to get decent sounding sections in most libraries, but good sounding solo patches are much more rare.

Truthfully though, from all the stuff i've read of composers who work in the scoring business, there isn't one library that will do everything you need, usually it's necessary to mix several of them to achieve a more true to life sound, if only to have the variance of different instruments and players to mix together.

[Phyrnna]

East West isn't perfect, but you have to work with it. Memory problems are just an issue of RAM, and getting more RAM tends to solve that problem.

As for the reverb, I keep the EW off all the time, so I'm not sure what you all mean by you can't turn it off. O.o

Lack of instruments would be something they DON'T have a problem with when it comes to the orchestral stuff. They do get tons lazier though with their other releases, such as Silk. Not enough instruments with not enough samples or mic positions. Still wonderful though.

Oh, and those who think that East West only has one sound hasn't played with mic positions. lol

[Reaper93]

At 9/16/10 04:15 PM, benyue1978 wrote:

At 9/16/10 08:07 AM, Reaper93 wrote: Well I heard that from some guy over on an EastWest-dedicated forum, not saying it's right. I thought it'd be significantly more but he talked like he's hired one before. Maybe specifically for recording it's cheaper than for performances? I dunno.

Or maybe he was just wrong. Either/or.

Oh so you don't research the facts before spouting it out? And you "heard"? Nice try at covering yourself buddy. You didn't have a clue and you got caught being clueless.

Hey dickwad, allow me to quote the post I made originally:

At 9/15/10 05:25 PM, Reaper93 wrote: I've heard 80 piece orchestras run about between 400 and 800 dollars an hour generally.

OH LOOK AT THAT, I HEARD THAT THEY RUN THAT MUCH.

Is that ANY verification that -I- think they are that much? NO!

So how about you fuck off?

[PeterSatera]

At 9/19/10 06:26 AM, HalcyonicFalconX wrote: As for the reverb, I keep the EW off all the time, so I'm not sure what you all mean by you can't turn it off. O.o

It's not alot, but its still there. I've done my research on the forums as some others were talking about it EW replied saying its embedded into the samples as its a recorded that way.

But you can hear what I mean here:
http://www.fileize.com/view/62d98101-24d /

it's no biggy because having something a little different can give boldness to a piece. Preference would be though I wish I could manually add it.

Scottish Opera here pay about £400 an hour, its about 30 to 40 piece. So it really differs. As for Orchestra Hire, prices can differ depending on the names:

Guy Hires Orchestra

Anyone want to loan me some cash? ^_^