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At 9/14/10 08:01 AM, IsaacKawasa wrote: I think this is a lil suspicious, in my opinion.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/54 8129This game had a lot of 10 point reviews, and yet was deleted "by the user" or whatever it says.
Doesn't that mean that we the users voted badly on it to get it deleted?

That just means that the artist deleted his own submission, what's suspicious about that?

At 9/14/10 08:05 AM, physicsman09 wrote:

At 9/14/10 08:01 AM, IsaacKawasa wrote: I think this is a lil suspicious, in my opinion.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/54 8129This game had a lot of 10 point reviews, and yet was deleted "by the user" or whatever it says.
Doesn't that mean that we the users voted badly on it to get it deleted?

That just means that the artist deleted his own submission, what's suspicious about that?

I didn't know artists could do that. I wonder why he deleted his submission? Forgive my ignorance. I'm still learning some of the things around here and trying new features too. The most I ever did before was play a few flash games and listen to some music.

I guess Pimp got bored and voted zero once.

these are some signs of serious abuse.

At 9/14/10 03:06 AM, Urban-Champion wrote:

I do't exactly consider Actionscript 2.0 a hard programming language to learn.

Yeah, true. I would be hard-pressed to call it a programming laguage. I use AS3, which is a little closer to C from what I've heard. Anyways, good luck with your game (but being a programmer and knowing the flash market are different things)

At 9/14/10 06:37 AM, DontExplain wrote:

I'm sorry, but someone has a bit of an ego here. It is far from a 4+ game. Hell, you've got 3.23/5, I wouldn't even give it that. Maybe a 2.5ish, its only average. It DOESNT deserve better. Stop expecting all your stuff to be godly.

Then I doubt you've played the game. NG cant be the only site that doesnt see it as quality, especially since I have been around long enough to see that scoring trends between NG and other sites. NG is typically a site where games score much higher than similar larger sites would (Games usually get around .2 points higher here than on Kong for instance). At MoFunZone, the game has an 8.6/ 10. On Kong, the game has a 3.91/5, freeworldgroup, 4.75/5, and the avg review score is 9.33/ 10 (once again with the exception of that guy who keeps posting the same flagged comment).

At 9/14/10 07:48 AM, PenguinKommando wrote: Maybe some humility will do you good you condescending douchebag.

In the context of this sentence condescending isn't the right word to use. Arrogant or egotistical would be slightly better for what you were trying to achieve. I have not yet actually condescended upon anyone.

Its not my ego or my arrogance that causes me to believe the game deserves a 4+, it's data. Unlike yourself, I use facts when making statements instead of spouting crap from my mouth (now I've become condescending). If everyone thought it to be a low quality game, then it probably is a low quality game. But seeing as NG is the only site with such a low score, The facts don't line up and an inconsistency is created. AND this inconsistency has unusual/suspicious circumstances around it.

At 9/14/10 08:00 AM, physicsman09 wrote: Not to be a jerk or anything, but you might want to consider a different career path other than "flash programmer."

Sure you made 22000 dollars, but in comparison to a job with an annual salary, that's nothing.

Any job with a college degree will easily make more than that, not only will you make more, but you will have a steady source of income that won't be based on how much people like you.

Who said it was an annual salary? In truth, The 22000 is what I've made from the beginning of me starting flash. Only in the last couple games I've made have I gotten the hang of it. Data suggest that since I started doing this as an occupation as opposed to just a hobby, My avg monthly wage is about $2500, which isnt bad.

Though my flash programming is only temporary until I finish college (I am a student now), it is still suitable in income and an enjoyable job as well.

At 9/14/10 08:01 AM, IsaacKawasa wrote: I think this is a lil suspicious, in my opinion.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/54 8129This game had a lot of 10 point reviews, and yet was deleted "by the user" or whatever it says.
Doesn't that mean that we the users voted badly on it to get it deleted?

He did what I wish I could do. He deleted his game so that he could re-submit it a day that is less f**ked up. Sadly, even when my game was at its lowest point (3.22) It wouldn't let me delete it.

At 9/14/10 08:33 AM, FBIpolux wrote: I guess Pimp got bored and voted zero once.

Haha! Pimps voting power is great, no doubt. But it should be only (only lol) around 15-20 vote points. One vote from him couldn't cause such massive damage.

At 9/14/10 11:18 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Voted 0 on all of PsFlashes games LOL I am taking you shit down by .05 a day.

Is there any particular reason why you are doing that? Any logical reason to do so? I'm guessing no.

I suppose it doesn't matter as much for my games that have been released for a while since they are long past their playable prime time, but I will ask that you stay away from [Visible] III since I'm still trying to fix this situation as far as distribution.

Voted 5 on all OP's submission because giving him a hard time is becoming too trendy.

Voted 0 on all OP's submissions because apparently he is too stupid to stop feeding the trolls.

At 9/14/10 08:00 AM, physicsman09 wrote: Not to be a jerk or anything, but you might want to consider a different career path other than "flash programmer."

Sure you made 22000 dollars, but in comparison to a job with an annual salary, that's nothing.

Any job with a college degree will easily make more than that, not only will you make more, but you will have a steady source of income that won't be based on how much people like you.

You're forgetting one thing. You're your own boss with a career in flash games. That, to many people, is worth giving up a cut of your money.

That, and to a lot of people in other countries, the money you get from flash games trumps a lot of high paying jobs.

At 9/13/10 11:45 PM, phsychopath wrote: What's happening is that people are mass voting giving high votes to multiple submissions to ensure save points, then once it doesn't matter how people vote on your submission they vote on it fairly, based on it's actual content rather than it's icon, description, file size and medium.

In other words, the majority users are voting on content in the portal based on generalizations and only after it escapes Judgment is when it truly receives just and appropriate criticism.

I see so many people just five every single thing that enters the portal. It works because of the low score that is required to pass. If he made the passing score 2.20 people would be more inclined to vote fairly.

Mass voters. Probably the KK or soemthing. One of the crews are most likely responsible. Finding out which one will be a pain though.

DUCK DUCK!!!!! IT'S THE 0BOMB!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE IN A VORTEX OF DIVISION BY ZERO NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo...
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At 9/14/10 12:36 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Mass voters. Probably the KK or soemthing. One of the crews are most likely responsible. Finding out which one will be a pain though.

A fellow developer once said he was invited to join a crew that 5's certain games while zeroing others. Sadly, finding any kind of proof that one of these groups is involved would prove difficult.

At 9/14/10 12:34 PM, Cootie wrote: I see so many people just five every single thing that enters the portal. It works because of the low score that is required to pass. If he made the passing score 2.20 people would be more inclined to vote fairly.

Yeah, 0 bombing happens and I know that. But the original point I was trying to make is that the normal 0 bombing only does damage of about 0.1 - 0.3 points.

Whatever happened yesterday was absurd, in the range of 0.8 - 1.1 points. I honestly don't see how you CAN'T find that odd.

I don't see why people are being faggots and 0'ing Phys flashes (I haven't seen them myself but hey) I can see where he's coming from and it doesn't look right. Especially that ebola world flash, I was confused when it got into the portal with such a low score, he's a popular artist so somthing is obviously wrong.

At 9/14/10 12:51 PM, PsyFlash wrote:

At 9/14/10 12:36 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Mass voters. Probably the KK or soemthing. One of the crews are most likely responsible. Finding out which one will be a pain though.

A fellow developer once said he was invited to join a crew that 5's certain games while zeroing others. Sadly, finding any kind of proof that one of these groups is involved would prove difficult.

You're right, and that's where the problem lies.

Fact of the matter is spam groups should be deleted for this reason.

Then again...the Kitty Krew does have it's own site where they may have leaked it, but it's invite only.

IMMA GO ZERO BOMB UR FLASHEZ WIV MY PROXIES AND ALTS LOLOLOLOLOL ASFAS

I agree with the OP; something fishy is definitely going on.

Madness Contemplation Pt1 got "zero-bombed" as well; see the author's description: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/54 8204