What do you think?

[JoseFonz]

I drew this some while ago, it's very rough i know but i havent gone around to color it. Please tell me what you think criticism is always welcome with me!

[Kashi]

well, jsut so you are prepared, know that since this is anime, you will get flamed.
you could work on proportions a bit, the head looks like it would break her neck from the weight

[JoseFonz]

yeah okay i'll prepare :) and i always have this problems with the heads i always end up drawing them too big and i always think if i make the shoulders too broad they'll look like men shoulders, damn got any tips?

[Daverom]

You've made this thread before, and admitted to making it in a very short time.
Make something of substance, then ask for critique

[Luxembourg]

At 8/24/10 09:47 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: well, jsut so you are prepared, know that since this is anime, you will get flamed.
you could work on proportions a bit, the head looks like it would break her neck from the weight

"Flamed" is a bit of an exaggeration. "Advised", yes, "criticized", but flaming? Not so much.

Anyways, the reason Kakashi says this is because anime is generally inhibitory to budding artists. I often am one of the ones who advises away from it. You try too hard to fit within a specific style (especially one so common as this), it becomes more difficult to adapt artistically and improve.
That said, you can draw however you like, but most people benefit more from learning the tricks of the trade and the basics before developing style.

I have nothing wrong with anime, before you draw any negative conclusions about my tastes.

Anyways, about the actual piece itself: I like the facial expression, and it's really not bad from the neck up, with the exception of the fact the hair doesn't actually end near the bottom.
The problems lie within the proportions, primarily in the shoulders. One of the shoulders carries farther away from the base of the neck than the other does. This also offsets the alignment of the collarbone. Collarbones are mostly horizontal, with a slight angle to them. Yours is very angled.
Anyways, for a start, it's not bad. I'd like to see more, maybe a more complete piece.

[JoseFonz]

I've got quite alot of sketches some i have done for some websites but take in mind their just sketches and mostly (OKAY ALL ANIME) anime. I'll take your guys advice and i'll post some more art soon

[Kashi]

At 8/24/10 09:56 PM, Luxembourg wrote: "Flamed" is a bit of an exaggeration. "Advised", yes, "criticized", but flaming? Not so much.

no, i dont think im exaggerating. you may look at the various random asshole comments in my old thread (im not linking because i do not feel the need to "promote" myself) anyways...

Anyways, about the actual piece itself...

yeah, the shoulder thing is very noticeable. if you are looking for tips, i advise you to check out these tuts. great artist, very helpful, and will introduce you to a more cartoony, less anime style, which may help you art.

[JoseFonz]

you guys are gonna hate me for this but yeah i made anime-related picture critisize me all you want i just want the constructive kind! :)

[Luxembourg]

At 8/25/10 10:15 PM, JoseFonz wrote: you guys are gonna hate me for this but yeah i made anime-related picture critisize me all you want i just want the constructive kind! :)

I think it's better than the last one. My only real issue is the blush/circley things coming off her face- what's the deal with the way that looks?
The shape of the face is good, the expression is good, and I'll end off by asking what I asked last time: do you have any more complete looking pieces?

[JoseFonz]

At 8/25/10 10:21 PM, Luxembourg wrote:

At 8/25/10 10:15 PM, JoseFonz wrote: you guys are gonna hate me for this but yeah i made anime-related picture critisize me all you want i just want the constructive kind! :)

I think it's better than the last one. My only real issue is the blush/circley things coming off her face- what's the deal with the way that looks?
The shape of the face is good, the expression is good, and I'll end off by asking what I asked last time: do you have any more complete looking pieces?

Haha thanks lux like your my personal trainer or something, but to tell you the truth i dont really know how to "complete" drawings I happen to have adobe photoshop but I have no idea how to color in drawing, and most of the things i do remain as sketches and no i dont have a "complete" drawing i would like to present anytime soon. But it would greatly appreaciated if someone taught me plus i dont have a wacom tablet (woe is me :( )

And those blush/ circle things idk why i put them, i wanted to erase them but it would just end up dirting the piece more than it is already :(, thanks for helping me out though bro

[JoseFonz]

At 8/25/10 10:21 PM, Luxembourg wrote:

At 8/25/10 10:15 PM, JoseFonz wrote:

I think it's better than the last one. My only real issue is the blush/circley things coming off her face- what's the deal with the way that looks?
The shape of the face is good, the expression is good, and I'll end off by asking what I asked last time: do you have any more complete looking pieces?

was wondering if perhaps you could colr this peice... just to see how it looks please?

[jeeshwa123]

a rule of thumb for me in particular, is that anime is boring unless it has it's own unique style. Comic book artists can do it, why not manga's?
Plus, you seem to be in the phase of "NOT SKETCHING THINGS OUT" which needs to STOP. lol. The first one's looking a bit out of proportion, sketch things out next time, k?
Oppinion delivered >u<

[Daverom]

You don't need any programs to finish up your drawings, grab a sharpie, or if you want go out and buy an inking pen set.

I recently got some myself. So much better than sharpies, I had no idea.

Just ink the lines on paper and erase the pencil when you are finished. You'll have a lot crisper work

[Luxembourg]

At 8/25/10 10:31 PM, JoseFonz wrote:

At 8/25/10 10:21 PM, Luxembourg wrote:

At 8/25/10 10:15 PM, JoseFonz wrote: you guys are gonna hate me for this but yeah i made anime-related picture critisize me all you want i just want the constructive kind! :)

I think it's better than the last one. My only real issue is the blush/circley things coming off her face- what's the deal with the way that looks?
The shape of the face is good, the expression is good, and I'll end off by asking what I asked last time: do you have any more complete looking pieces?

Haha thanks lux like your my personal trainer or something, but to tell you the truth i dont really know how to "complete" drawings I happen to have adobe photoshop but I have no idea how to color in drawing, and most of the things i do remain as sketches and no i dont have a "complete" drawing i would like to present anytime soon. But it would greatly appreaciated if someone taught me plus i dont have a wacom tablet (woe is me :( )

And those blush/ circle things idk why i put them, i wanted to erase them but it would just end up dirting the piece more than it is already :(, thanks for helping me out though bro

Sorry for the late response!
But I don't mean you have to make big, finished pieces. I mean that you shouldn't just have messy pencil sketches. Like Vero said, you can just go over it in pen neatly and it'll look tons better.

I suggest sharpie pens, if you can't get a fancy ink set. Ballpoints aren't good; sharpie pens go over smoothly.

Not every artist needs to use color, and you're probably not at the point you should worry about it yet. Worry about lineart.
As well, have you tried working below the shoulders any? You may want to expand your horizons and study female anatomy some; full shots usually look a lot better than busts.

[JoseFonz]

Well okay i'll try then, have any good suggestion to study female anatomy?

[Luxembourg]

PoseManiacs.
It's a site I really should use more often myself. It's great for anatomy.

[jeeshwa123]

At 8/27/10 09:28 PM, Luxembourg wrote: PoseManiacs.
It's a site I really should use more often myself. It's great for anatomy.

tru dat.

[JoseFonz]

Look at what i drew... im proud of this piece... wait no fuck it's not finished! WHATEVER I'LL STILL SHOW IT TO YOU GUYS.

[Luxembourg]

At 8/27/10 10:06 PM, JoseFonz wrote: Look at what i drew... im proud of this piece... wait no fuck it's not finished! WHATEVER I'LL STILL SHOW IT TO YOU GUYS.

That's a great start. What did you use for reference?

[JoseFonz]

I saw this video on youtube it was great help, so what do you think?

[JoseFonz]

At 8/27/10 10:34 PM, Luxembourg wrote:

At 8/27/10 10:06 PM, JoseFonz wrote: Look at what i drew... im proud of this piece... wait no fuck it's not finished! WHATEVER I'LL STILL SHOW IT TO YOU GUYS.

That's a great start. What did you use for reference?

I actually saw a tutorial on this particular pose on youube

[spacepickle2]

frankly it hink that it's all just a bit to generic.
you have to find your own style you can't just mindlessly copy mimeographed mangaesque work.
in doing that your not really pushing your self as an artist, you need to step outside the familiar.

[JoseFonz]

At 8/28/10 12:28 AM, spacepickle2 wrote: frankly it hink that it's all just a bit to generic.
you have to find your own style you can't just mindlessly copy mimeographed mangaesque work.
in doing that your not really pushing your self as an artist, you need to step outside the familiar.

What would you suggest?..space pickle...

[Luxembourg]

At 9/1/10 08:18 PM, JoseFonz wrote:

At 8/28/10 12:28 AM, spacepickle2 wrote: frankly it hink that it's all just a bit to generic.
you have to find your own style you can't just mindlessly copy mimeographed mangaesque work.
in doing that your not really pushing your self as an artist, you need to step outside the familiar.

What would you suggest?..space pickle...

What he means is that you shouldn't be trying to draw in manga style. You should be drawing in a way that suits you best, which will ultimately result in you developing a style of your own.
The way a lot of people do this is by drawing basically and realistically and then pushing their own personalities into the pieces as they improve. I can't give you a step by step, honestly, because its not something that simple. Just try and draw your way, not in a way that's already developed.

God, I feel like I might sound more confusing.

[JoseFonz]

What he means is that you shouldn't be trying to draw in manga style. You should be drawing in a way that suits you best, which will ultimately result in you developing a style of your own.
The way a lot of people do this is by drawing basically and realistically and then pushing their own personalities into the pieces as they improve. I can't give you a step by step, honestly, because its not something that simple. Just try and draw your way, not in a way that's already developed.

God, I feel like I might sound more confusing.

Nah youre not confusing but i get you... ive already studied alot of anatomy and trying to come up with drawing with my own style and flare thanks guy and i'll post art as i can

[JoseFonz]

My threads doing a comeback!! I made a new drawing or sketch so to speak of no other than the hot Zone tan!

[Spac3case916]

this isn't the typical typical anime.
there's something more.
you seem to have some sort of talent.
just keep pushing.

I like the second head more than anyhting.

[JoseFonz]

At 9/7/10 08:21 PM, Spac3case916 wrote: this isn't the typical typical anime.
there's something more.
you seem to have some sort of talent.
just keep pushing.

I like the second head more than anyhting.

Thanks man you have no idea how good it feels to be praised for your art thanks man!

[BansheeIndian]

it's obvious you have some kind of talent.

I drew anime stuff in highschool too, I know it's cool and fun and all that but seriously I wish someone had told me then what I know now, which is STOP.

Don't get me wrong you can draw whatever you want, but, keep this in mind, when whomever designs the characters or draws the animation cels for an Anime, they probably have quite a bit of experience under their belt. They're applying what they know about drawing realistically, and they're removing as many details as possible to make it easier to animate.

you don't have all those years of experience, and you're not animating these characters, so you're just ending up with something that's lacking.

Learn to draw using proper technique and then after you fully understand the why and how of what you're doing, then come back and draw your anime characters. that's the only way for them to end up looking genuine and not like someone copying anime characters and slightly changing their outfits to be "new characters"

I hope this doesn't come off as ugly, you've obviously got some talent and I wouldn't give a shit to even post on here if I didn't think there was a point, and the point is:

You can save yourself the hassle of wasting several years and have to start over from scratch relearning to draw, if you just step out of your comfort zone. Change up the subject matter, draw from reference, draw what you see, try to create texture and depth. It's not super easy but it's not extremely difficult either and you really won't regret it!!

Keep drawing, would love to see more from you!

P.S.
As far as finishing drawings go, it's a good practice to get into. If you can't afford a wacom tablet (check craigslist) I'd recommend buying some Prismacolor Premiere markers from your local art store (they're way cheaper online though). Buy a set of grey scales 10% -90%, and get you a couple of good pigment ink pens. I use 3 different ones ranging from .005 - .3, These are nice professional grade supplies that you can really get a good finish with. plus you can buy them one at a time and get a feel for them, you don't need to buy them all at once.

[JoseFonz]

you don't have all those years of experience, and you're not animating these characters, so you're just ending up with something that's lacking.

Well, ive been drawing all my life but until recently i've been studying the anatomy of humans, trying to be as realistic as possible. on this piece i kinda forgot about all my "ambitious training" and went for something that i used to do when i didnt study and actually learn my art

wasting several years and have to start over from scratch relearning to draw, if you just step out of your comfort zone. Change up the subject matter, draw from reference, draw what you see, try to create texture and depth. It's not super easy but it's not extremely difficult either and you really won't regret it!!

Can you please gime some suggestions on subjects to draw, your advice is actually very helpful to me, and once again thanks for your advice i think it saved me some years!

Keep drawing, would love to see more from you!
Dont worry I'll post some more art as soon as i can!