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At 4/2/04 04:41 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/1/04 05:46 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote: There's a reason why there's no Arab superstate.

Saudi Arabia has $450 billion invested in US companies. I guess that doesn't count.

I find that hard to believe considering thier GDP is only $268.9 billion.

frankly, if i was an iraqi, i'm sure i would understand exactly what they were thinking. no one's ever done anything bad to america that compares to what we have done to iraq, so no one in america feels the sense of national anger that the iraqis do.

At 4/2/04 04:50 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:24 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: no line of reasoning can justify thier actions.

Except (Amongst other things) that the US supported Saddam when he did what they ordered him to do. (Even if he was gassing Kurds under their nose)
Their country's schools, hospitals and water treatment facilities were bombed to shit during the first gulf war.
Littering Iraq with depleted Uranium shells.
There was UN restrictions that damaged even more the country's infrastructure.
Some Iraqis tried to overthrow Saddam during that time but the US did nothing.
Once more bombing their country, but this time under false pretense.

I really don't see how you can't see what would motivate their anger towards the West, especially America.

Uhhuh, and how exactly does this justify maming a bunch of innocent contractors, ripping thier limbs off, and then parading thier bodies around the town?

Really, I want to hear this one.

At 4/2/04 04:57 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: I find that hard to believe considering thier GDP is only $268.9 billion.

My mistake, they actually have 750 billion.

At 4/2/04 04:59 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Really, I want to hear this one.

Simply put: revenge

At 4/2/04 04:41 PM, CrassClock wrote: Saudi Arabia has $450 billion invested in US companies. I guess that doesn't count.

Maybe I should have said that at no time, in history has Middle East truly been united.

The reason? Arab tribilism and particularism. Too many opposing view points and clans.

Out of all the big names in World War one, only ONE tribe actually revolted against the Ottomans.

At 4/2/04 05:16 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote: Maybe I should have said that at no time, in history has Middle East truly been united.

Neither has Asia or Africa or Europe or North America or South America.

The actual killings weren't in the sickest of manners, it's just what they did after they killed them...

At 4/2/04 05:16 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:59 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Really, I want to hear this one.

Simply put: revenge

And that is justification.. how?

At 4/2/04 05:42 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: And that is justification.. how?

Kinda like how the US was justified by the 9-11 attacks to bomb Afghanistan: revenge.

At 4/2/04 05:14 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:57 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: I find that hard to believe considering thier GDP is only $268.9 billion.

My mistake, they actually have 750 billion.

"Saudi Arabia has $450 billion invested in US companies"- You

"Saudi investors have threatened to withdraw some of the $750bn they have invested in the US"- Article

There is a big difference. Investors don't neccesarily make a government strong.

And the fact that the GDP of Saudi Arabia is $268.9 billion shows that these investors must not be official residents of Saudi Arabia and are also not paying taxes there. Unless they have some sort of magic power that allows them to make thier money exist and at the same time not exist.

At 4/2/04 05:50 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 05:42 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: And that is justification.. how?

Kinda like how the US was justified by the 9-11 attacks to bomb Afghanistan: revenge.

First of all, there is a difference between attacking the people who attacked you, and killing a bunch of innocent contractors on purpose.

Second, the war on Afghanistan was no justified by revenge, it was justified by taking out a threat, Osama was clearly a threat, so we attacked his base.

At 4/2/04 04:59 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Uhhuh, and how exactly does this justify maming a bunch of innocent contractors, ripping thier limbs off, and then parading thier bodies around the town?

Really, I want to hear this one.

How can anything justify it? How can you justify 10,000 civilian deaths? You can't. How can you justify 9/11? You can't, but the 10,000 is nothing more than a statistic. Humans can comprehend 4 deaths of humans, but not 10,000. It's just a number to us, but nothing can justify senseless murder.

However, there was a REASON. That reason was that they hated the Americans, and in their ignorance wanted to kill some of them.

At 4/2/04 05:25 PM, shitt0r wrote: The actual killings weren't in the sickest of manners, it's just what they did after they killed them...

Rumors are they weren't dead after the Grenade attack, that they actually died in the process of having thier carcasses mutilated.

At 4/2/04 05:50 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: And the fact that the GDP of Saudi Arabia is $268.9 billion shows that these investors must not be official residents of Saudi Arabia and are also not paying taxes there. Unless they have some sort of magic power that allows them to make thier money exist and at the same time not exist.

Well congratulations on making all sorts of assumptions about a topic you just discovered.

Unless you can show me who those investors are, and what their status is in regards to Saudi Arabia, I really don't see why your assumptions are accurate. Three posts ago you didn't even know about this 750 billion.

At 4/2/04 05:50 PM, CrassClock wrote: Kinda like how the US was justified by the 9-11 attacks to bomb Afghanistan: revenge.

Right, so Bush is justified in sentencing Saddam to death for attempting to kill his father.

Saddam's relatives will then be justified in bombing the White House.

Congress will then be justified in nuking Tajikistan, where the relatives are rumored to be.

Said relatives of Saddam's relatives will then be justfied in bombing the WTC in Oklahoma.

Can you see where this is getting?

At 4/2/04 05:24 PM, CrassClock wrote: Neither has Asia or Africa or Europe or North America or South America.

Fine. MUSLIMS.

Muslims have never really been united in anything but the acknowledgement of Allah. And that's about it.

At 4/2/04 05:52 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: First of all, there is a difference between attacking the people who attacked you, and killing a bunch of innocent contractors on purpose.

Americans are their ennemy, the contractors were American.

I don't see a difference.

Second, the war on Afghanistan was no justified by revenge, it was justified by taking out a threat, Osama was clearly a threat, so we attacked his base.

The Taliban were willing to hand over Osama if the US showed them proof of his connection to the 9-11 attacks.

There was no proof of him being guilty presented to them or us. Without any proof of him being a threat, I don't see how he's a threat.

At 4/2/04 06:16 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote: Can you see where this is getting?

In their eyes it's justification, not mine.

Muslims have never really been united in anything but the acknowledgement of Allah. And that's about it.

The same can be said about Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, etc.

At 4/2/04 06:20 PM, CrassClock wrote: In their eyes it's justification, not mine.

Then it's not justified in your eyes, correct?

The same can be said about Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, etc.

Alright....alright.....you win that point.

At 4/2/04 06:42 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote: Then it's not justified in your eyes, correct?

Not at all.

At 4/2/04 07:01 PM, CrassClock wrote: Not at all.

Then we can agree on something.

At 4/2/04 05:53 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: How can anything justify it? How can you justify 10,000 civilian deaths? You can't. How can you justify 9/11? You can't, but the 10,000 is nothing more than a statistic. Humans can comprehend 4 deaths of humans, but not 10,000. It's just a number to us, but nothing can justify senseless murder.

I can justify it, none of those deaths were intentional. This is evident because we used preciscion weapons to target military facilities instead of just randomly bombing, we didn't have to, but we did.

At 4/2/04 06:17 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 05:52 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: First of all, there is a difference between attacking the people who attacked you, and killing a bunch of innocent contractors on purpose.

Americans are their ennemy, the contractors were American.

I don't see a difference.

So all you have to do is call somone your enemy, and then you can kill them? Thats some line of reason you got there....

Second, the war on Afghanistan was no justified by revenge, it was justified by taking out a threat, Osama was clearly a threat, so we attacked his base.

The Taliban were willing to hand over Osama if the US showed them proof of his connection to the 9-11 attacks.

There was no proof of him being guilty presented to them or us. Without any proof of him being a threat, I don't see how he's a threat.

He admitted to the attacks, you don't need to present proof after that.

At 4/2/04 06:05 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 05:50 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: And the fact that the GDP of Saudi Arabia is $268.9 billion shows that these investors must not be official residents of Saudi Arabia and are also not paying taxes there. Unless they have some sort of magic power that allows them to make thier money exist and at the same time not exist.

Well congratulations on making all sorts of assumptions about a topic you just discovered.

Unless you can show me who those investors are, and what their status is in regards to Saudi Arabia, I really don't see why your assumptions are accurate. Three posts ago you didn't even know about this 750 billion.

I don't have to, I have factual proof of Saudi Arabia's GDP. That is proof that no other money can be in the possesion of one of the residents of that country, whats there is it. Thats what the GDP is.

some sick part of me really wants to start the carpet bombing.... at least maybe now more of the world will understand why the israeli army has to do the things it does.

At 4/2/04 08:58 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: some sick part of me really wants to start the carpet bombing.... at least maybe now more of the world will understand why the israeli army has to do the things it does.

Same here, some sick part of me wants to drop a nuclear warhead on Fallujah.

At 4/2/04 09:01 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 4/2/04 08:58 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: some sick part of me really wants to start the carpet bombing.... at least maybe now more of the world will understand why the israeli army has to do the things it does.

Same here, some sick part of me wants to drop a nuclear warhead on Fallujah.

We must remain calm and think logically, or we become no different than any of the murderers in Fallujah.

some sick part of me really wants to start the carpet bombing....

some sick part of me wants to drop a nuclear warhead

Strange - I had no such feelings.

At 4/2/04 07:19 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: I can justify it, none of those deaths were intentional. This is evident because we used preciscion weapons to target military facilities instead of just randomly bombing, we didn't have to, but we did.

Because a death is unintentional, it is justified? Interesting. How do we define unintentional?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unintentional