tl;dr lolo : Kids nowadays have horrifying weapons habits and we need better influences, discuss this and similar things you lazy bastard.
I was helping run a hunters safety course for the community, so obviously most of the 'students' were pre teen/teen boys that wanted to go hunting with their dads and stuff. Normal things. The first thing that's odd about this is that parents were practically non existent, which is going to be important a bit later.
The hosts there brought some of their personal weapons and hunting weapons, for display. No ammo was brought and any CC piece was to be put inside a locked vehicle with the magazine in a seperate compartment and the chambered round removed as well. During the breaks, the kids would go up to the little row of firearms, and proceeded to disgust and shock me.
They were just rapidly racking/charging the guns, dry firing and pointing the weapons at each other. Some of them tried adjusting the scopes that were on the rifles, they were slamming actions and throwing mags like it was a game. Even if they weren't this bad, they obviously didn't understand the concept of keeping your finger off the trigger. They also didn't understand that guns actually harm people. Sadly this is what one of them said to me.
I think I died inside.
The first few rushes were like this, so me and the others obviously got into gear and started keeping the guns away/teaching them the proper way to hold and treat them. I yanked fingers off of triggers and closed actions and inserted mags into their appropriate mag wells, decocked hammers and opened bolts to the appropriate positions to show that the gun is unchambered, but these habits still persisted by nearly all of them.
The kids said this was all ok and games were how they learned to handle the guns. It scares me to think that kids really are this affected by games. These kids did not have an understanding of the concept of taking a humans life with a gun. They didn't think these did that. I understand that this might have been an issue and yes, I do firmly believe that this was one of their first experiences with firearms but, jesus christ. Common sense and logic have to kick in at some point. I knew exactly what a gun did from the first time I found out what they were. I treated my play guns like the real thing when I was a kid, and I practice safety on the real thing to a point of it being almost uneccessarily safe.
And of course, the only disciplinary action we took were verbal commands, seeing as parents weren't around to supervise their children, although they knew in advance about the class and the gun row and all that. I would never, ever, in my life let my child around a firearm without me being in prime condition to watch them. Tomorrow we're going to shoot, which is also worrying because these kids have lethal habits right now, understandably so, yes, but they do not understand the severity of this kind of thing. Yeah it's supposed to be a fun class, but they think guns are toys, no matter what kind they may be.
I don't know, maybe I'm worrying too much. I just hope it goes smoothly, I'm gonna be watching over these kids like a vulture to the dead and I know the others are going to too.
Also feel free to discuss these kind of events and or any close calls you might have had with a firearm.
Also also the winchester 1897 is a beautiful shotgun and I don't care what you say, John Browning is the shit yo.
I believe everyone should be entitled to have their own weapon in their home.
Naota doesn't play that shit.
No it's Kids nowadays + guns = win! Because they end up shooting themselfs on accident -im talking about little kids, those peices of shit-
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At 8/14/10 10:17 PM, ChaseApple wrote: I believe everyone should be entitled to have their own weapon in their home.
People need to be responsible.
And these kids (and obviously the parents) shouldn't be able to hold cap guns, let alone the real things. I'm not giving any credit to the parents either (the few that did show up helped us out a lot when it came to that so I was relieved I guess)
Haha, same. Even a couple years ago, when I was a pre-teen and played gun games, I was, and I'm still terrified of the consequences of an actual firearm. Guess I was just raised better. :D
At 8/14/10 10:17 PM, ChaseApple wrote: I believe everyone should be entitled to have their own weapon in their home.
This has almost nothing to do with the topic at hand.
It's only a vague connection, at best.
At 8/14/10 10:14 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: They were just rapidly racking/charging the guns, dry firing and pointing the weapons at each other. Some of them tried adjusting the scopes that were on the rifles, they were slamming actions and throwing mags like it was a game.
Christ, what if one of the bullets had already been chambered?
I don't know what the hell their parents are doing, but they need to step it up.
At 8/14/10 10:23 PM, Scarface wrote:At 8/14/10 10:14 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: They were just rapidly racking/charging the guns, dry firing and pointing the weapons at each other. Some of them tried adjusting the scopes that were on the rifles, they were slamming actions and throwing mags like it was a game.Christ, what if one of the bullets had already been chambered?
There would have been some dead bodies, these weren't little caliber guns, these were twelve gauges, magnum caliber handguns, big game rifles, etc. The smallest thing we had was a .22 hornet, but even that can easily fuck someone up good.
I'm a police explorer, and the people that hosted this were officers of the department I'm an explorer for, so obviously they checked. But you're right, could have just been one bullet and then the shit would have hit the fan.
At 8/14/10 10:26 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: I'm a police explorer, and the people that hosted this were officers of the department I'm an explorer for, so obviously they checked. But you're right, could have just been one bullet and then the shit would have hit the fan.
All it takes is one stupid kid and one meaningless death and the whole department gets sued for millions.
Yeah I'm kinda scared too our kids will think real war is like COD. "Ohhh look they gave me a tactical insertion in my back pack!" Oh and I agree John Browning is the shit he made the 1911!
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I don't blame video games, I blame the children's parents for not teaching common sense. I also blame gun laws, these kids probably never even touched a gun.
I haven't shot a gun before, every time I touch one I get incredibly nervous. I blame this for the reason kids are so shit with guns. They don't want to feel nervous, so they take advantage over something they should be nervous about.
At 8/14/10 10:17 PM, Necrogoth wrote: No it's Kids nowadays + guns = win! Because they end up shooting themselfs on accident -im talking about little kids, those peices of shit-
Natural selection.
The dumb kids with guns accidentally fire them. People who might be killed:
-Dumb kids
-Dumb parents of dumb kids
-Dumb friends of dumb kids who are most likely dumb, considering that they hang around dumb kids.
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At 8/14/10 10:38 PM, UberCream wrote:At 8/14/10 10:17 PM, Necrogoth wrote: No it's Kids nowadays + guns = win! Because they end up shooting themselfs on accident -im talking about little kids, those peices of shit-Natural selection.
The dumb kids with guns accidentally fire them. People who might be killed:
-Dumb kids
-Dumb parents of dumb kids
-Dumb friends of dumb kids who are most likely dumb, considering that they hang around dumb kids.
Slightly agreeable but I'd rather that happen to a dumb adult who's never learned, rather than a kid who hasn't had a chance to grow and learn. They can be taught good habits, I just wish we had more time to do so before they get live ammo.
Also it'd suck to have it fall on the police department, so I'm kind of hoping that doesn't happen, for sake of losing a good, honest department and something good to do.
At 8/14/10 10:36 PM, ReligiousZoo wrote: I don't blame video games, I blame the children's parents for not teaching common sense. I also blame gun laws, these kids probably never even touched a gun.
Kansas gun laws are actually very reasonable, we're a gun happy state tbh and we have some of the best defense laws in the U.S. so I'm surprised they haven't had prior experience. To me, from what I could collect, it seemed that they were heavily influenced by games but yes, I put equal blame onto the parents of the children.
I haven't shot a gun before, every time I touch one I get incredibly nervous. I blame this for the reason kids are so shit with guns. They don't want to feel nervous, so they take advantage over something they should be nervous about.
I hope that's not the reason. It's good to be nervous, at least you realize the consequences fully. It's better to never fire a weapon than to abuse it like they were. Guns can be a fun thing though, if used responsibly.
At 8/14/10 10:35 PM, FatJoe214 wrote: Yeah I'm kinda scared too our kids will think real war is like COD. "Ohhh look they gave me a tactical insertion in my back pack!"
That's pretty much how it is. I really hope they don't grow up to be soldiers or LE.
Oh and I agree John Browning is the shit he made the 1911!
And the M2. And the 1897. And the 1887. And the Browning 5. And the FN 1910. And all the ACP rounds. Namely the .45 ACP round. The first .22 rifles. Etc.
At 8/14/10 10:34 PM, 3dog14 wrote: They'll be our new soldiers!
This makes me feel no better.
At 8/14/10 10:32 PM, daethdrain wrote: to tell the truth im scared shitless of guns
And that's a good thing. These kids don't understand that these are not toys, that these things are capable of death.
At 8/14/10 10:28 PM, Scarface wrote:At 8/14/10 10:26 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: I'm a police explorer, and the people that hosted this were officers of the department I'm an explorer for, so obviously they checked. But you're right, could have just been one bullet and then the shit would have hit the fan.All it takes is one stupid kid and one meaningless death and the whole department gets sued for millions.
Yeah, and it's not like the department I'm working with could afford something like that. It's a really small town and there's usually only enough officers (including the reservists, btw) to have one person out at a time. We have to rely on county/neighboring PD's for backup if need be (ie for a physical disturbance, etc)
I just hope the kids straighten up in time for the shoot.
At 8/14/10 10:26 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I wholeheartedly agree, and the video games parents are buying for them nowadays aren't helping.
I'm all for letting kids have games (if they're mature enough/of an appropriate age) but those kids can not discern the game from reality. That is honestly frightening to me. I can't tell if it's just the kids, or bad parenting, but either way things need to be done about it.
At 8/14/10 10:24 PM, 6r0undZ3r0 wrote: I don't know what the hell their parents are doing, but they need to step it up.
I wish we would have made it required for the parents to come, I think (or at least, I hope) it would have gone a lot better. I can only influence a kid so much, seeing as I'm a complete stranger.
At 8/14/10 10:21 PM, GoldenT00ns wrote: Haha, same. Even a couple years ago, when I was a pre-teen and played gun games, I was, and I'm still terrified of the consequences of an actual firearm. Guess I was just raised better. :D
My family raised me on gun safety, so I guess I had it good. But I've never had problems discerning games from reality, and that's what's wrong with these kids. I really don't see how it can get to that point, I really don't.
I really don't think that civilians (that includes me) should be allowed to handle firearms, period. We're too fucking stupid to truly understand the concept of shot = dead, until it happens. If you want to use guns for sport, tehn seriously, go buy a videogame.
At 8/14/10 10:46 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: Yeah, and it's not like the department I'm working with could afford something like that. It's a really small town and there's usually only enough officers (including the reservists, btw) to have one person out at a time.
Yeah, that would suck. Also, I agree with the notion that video games contribute to this behavior. I love violent movies and games, but I would never point a gun at someone, loaded or not.
At 8/14/10 11:02 PM, Lintire wrote: I really don't think that civilians-
Civilians have every right to have access to (reasonable) weaponary. The average person is more than capable of being a responsible gun owner, no matter what he/she may be using that gun for.
I could argue this all day, but I will have to say that we do need to thoroughly test someone who is going to buy a weapon. We really don't, which is sad.
At 8/14/10 11:02 PM, Lintire wrote: I really don't think that civilians (that includes me) should be allowed to handle firearms, period. We're too fucking stupid to truly understand the concept of shot = dead, until it happens. If you want to use guns for sport, then seriously, go buy a video game.
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I don't think that civilians should be prohibited from possessing a firearm. Think about all the robberies, murders, and rapes, even that wouldn't have been prevented if some men/women didn't have a firearm.
I think the real problem is the kids who think it's "lolsoepikz" to "play" with a gun.
At 8/14/10 11:07 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: I could argue this all day, but I will have to say that we do need to thoroughly test someone who is going to buy a weapon. We really don't, which is sad.
I live in Australia. In a nutshell, you don't have guns unless you're a farmer or a hobbyist. And guess what? The system works.
Above-Average testing could solve the problem, though.
At 8/14/10 11:17 PM, Lintire wrote:At 8/14/10 11:07 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: I could argue this all day, but I will have to say that we do need to thoroughly test someone who is going to buy a weapon. We really don't, which is sad.I live in Australia. In a nutshell, you don't have guns unless you're a farmer or a hobbyist. And guess what? The system works.
Above-Average testing could solve the problem, though.
Australia = Far less people, less to watch, easier to regulate, etc etc.
Gun control works for places like England because it's very easy to watch those kinds of things and to monitor the people. America is a pretty spread out place, and it has a very different history/populace/affinity with weapons than states using gun control.
I am a weirdo because I hate MW2. I blame this BS on MW2 MW1, and other Various games like this. I also Blame Grand Theft Auto. Plus, My dad was in the Military. I know gun safety, but I don't touch real guns. And a Airsoft gun is equivelent to a real gun -only weaker. I play world at war, something that could've happened in WW2, not some bullshit that would end the world like MW2. I only play MW2 when Im Bored. Plus, you would hate Madness. And me and Krinkels and the other animators of madness. But I do know gun safety and I practice with my airsoft guns and toy NERFs. This is the Airsoft gun I want as well...
So yeah... I'm just hangin around.
Even when holding an airsoft gun, I keep it pointed away, and constantly checking to see if it's chambered. I'm afraid to walk around with anything other than a butter knife in front of other people. I've never actually handled a loaded firearm, but when I do, I will be sure to take all safety precautions.
You always hear of these kids committing suicide by blowing their own brains out.
Question is, where the hell did they get the gun in the first place?
I handle guns every so often when I go target shooting. I usually don't go to a range but if I did and saw anyone acting the way you described, I would leave immediately. Hell, if any of my brother's friends did that while we were shooting outdoors I would get the hell out of Dodge. Gun safety is not a joke, treat every gun as if it were loaded.
Ha ha...Charade you are
Jesus Christ... how old were these kids?
I remember being 15 and never having handled a gun before. I did however know this:
If you put your finger on the trigger of a firearm, load it, take the safety off, charge it, or point it at something, you had better be fucking prepared to shoot it.
My #1 rule of gun safety, to this day. ^_^
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im 14 and i know how to use a gun, (not shoot it, but atleast take out the clip and put it in saftey) i own bb guns and they use real model so i can use saftey and shiit, but i will never point a real gun at a human being unless i need to , little kids shouldnt play COD cause life is nothing like that, not even close, people only have one life,no respawns, and tactical insertions r not for respawning either, so yeah little kids are shit we should kill every one of them, everyone under the age of 10, or we disipline them
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this is why parents should give 7 year olds .22 rifles.
thel learn gun saifty early
At 8/15/10 08:32 PM, Yoshi-Dus-Not wrote: im 14 and i know how to use a gun, (not shoot it, but atleast take out the clip and put it in saftey)
You need to take the bullet out of the chamber too. There should be a lever thing on the gun, pull it back and the bullet flies out.
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