Obama: Worst President Ever?

[Camarohusky]

Apparently Dan Quayle's son is saying Obama is the worst president in history.

Ironic as he's the son of the worst VP in history.

What do you think?

[Warforger]

Republicans are acting dumber then ever with this. Here in California Meg Whitman the Republican candidate for Senate, launched a commercial trying to expose Democrat Candidate Jerry Brown as just making commercials to attack her, then goes on making attacks on Jerry Brown. These commercials have so much crap in them they're hilarious, regurgitating the same old bullshit "spending spending, failure failure", but when you see Jerry Brown's commercial, his attacks are just quotes from journalists about how she uses bad tactics or how her wall street tactics were debunked. At this rate I say we're back to early Civil War heating times, where everyone starting uniting against each other in this case Liberals vs. Conservatives, back then being John Quincy Adams supporters and Andrew Jackson supporters and eventually people are going to start to get killed over the slight mention of them being a "liberal" "communist" or "socialist".

This reminds me of the time when Newt Gingrich considered one of the smartest people in the US according to Glenn Beck fans called Obama the most radical US President ever. On the forum where I discussed it which is full of the worst side of Conservatives all across the globe, I was telling them that this claim is retarded and I was comparing Obama to other Presidents who did more radical things like Abraham Lincoln, John Adams (both jailed Americans because they disagreed with them), Andrew Jackson (should be obvious) and both Roosevelts due to their Socialist policies. And yet they responded with "I will not let you derail this thread with other Presidents" and went on with the Tsars (which ironically where very anti-Communism, unless we count the last Bulgarian Tsar) of the Obama adminstration, his Commuinist ideology etc.

[Patton3]

You mean to say that a far right Republican is engaging in name calling of the president in a manner that is completely divorced from rationality?
In other news, the sun rose today.

[Jackotrades]

Its far too soon to judge Obama, its only been 18 months, not even halfway into his term.

Unless you were hoping that within 18 months he would have solved the economic problems and foreign issues we have now.

but honestly, who is that naive?

[SadisticMonkey]

He is certainly one of the worst, along with GWB, Hoover, Wilson, and so many others.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: He is certainly one of the worst, along with GWB, Hoover, Wilson, and so many others.

I am afriad Obama will get Hoovered. Hoover gut anal raped by the horrible policies of Coolidge's era and he was powerless to change things. I fear Obama will be buried under the Bush era corporate thievery that led to this recession.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/12/10 09:37 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: He is certainly one of the worst, along with GWB, Hoover, Wilson, and so many others.

I am afriad Obama will get Hoovered. Hoover gut anal raped by the horrible policies of Coolidge's era and he was powerless to change things. I fear Obama will be buried under the Bush era corporate thievery that led to this recession.

I fear people like you will go out in subsequent years and vote.

And even worse, doing so under the presumption that it will change federal policy.

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Humor/Trolling aside. With rare exception, every subsequent president has expanded the power of the state, both intensively and extensively, be it fiscal, regulatory, monetary, and even martial. Conservatives are waking up to the expansion of state power at roughly the same time liberals are falling asleep to it. That is why Obama is the worst president in 2010 for roughly the same reasons Bush was the worst president in 2006.

[SadisticMonkey]

At 8/12/10 09:37 PM, Camarohusky wrote: I am afriad Obama will get Hoovered. Hoover gut anal raped by the horrible policies of Coolidge's era and he was powerless to change things.

Um, NO.

It was Hoover that signed the federal reserve act into law.
So firstly, he was bad entirely because of his own actions, and secondly the above action helped so many future presidents have so much more power to abuse, and abuse in an extremely harmful way.

If anything, Hoover's policies helped other presidents get raped, but I wouldn't say this because it removes blame from them.
Still, it was his own fault.

I fear Obama will be buried under the Bush era corporate thievery that led to this recession.

corporate thievery like supporting the bailouts?

oops...

[Ericho]

I think that Obama will probably be remembered as a decent President. I think the worst thing he ever did was send thousands of more troops to Afghanistan which goes way beyond his initial message of change. I think he should also get to work on eliminating the war on drugs as that is something he was promising too. The best thing he probably did was legalize stem cell research. As controversial as it may seem, that seems what would deserve him the Nobel Prize the most.

[NervousGuy]

At 8/13/10 11:20 AM, Ericho wrote: I think that Obama will probably be remembered as a decent President. I think the worst thing he ever did was send thousands of more troops to Afghanistan which goes way beyond his initial message of change. I think he should also get to work on eliminating the war on drugs as that is something he was promising too. The best thing he probably did was legalize stem cell research. As controversial as it may seem, that seems what would deserve him the Nobel Prize the most.

Worse than him pushing other countries to consider criminal charges Julian Assange?

[studmuffin7]

Disclaimer: I am a republican, but I readily acknoledge that Bush was a crap stain on the reputation of our party.

Reasons why Obama is not a good president:

1) Obama seeks to raise taxes in a recession.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory ?id=9718923

I chose abc news as a source because I know most of you are probably democrats. Raising taxes is the worst possible thing to do in a recession. People are already hesitant to spend money or invest, and raising taxes is only going to tighten their wallets that much more. And if you think taxing big buisnesses is the answer because "they have all the money" let me tell you they will simply respond by laying off people and hiring fewer (if at all) which is probably why the job market sucks right now.

2) Obama seeks to nationalize healthcare. This is an absolutely terrible idea. A government that can't even count its own votes or manage social security effectively is going to nationalize another 1/6th of our economy!?!

http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Christian -Personal-Finance/2010/0325/What-Obama-s -new-health-care-bill-means-for-us

"All US citizens will be forced to have health insurance coverage considered acceptable by the US Government or else pay a fine of $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016 (capped at 2.5% of AGI). All of the fines are per person per year except for families have a cap on the total fine of $2,250 and the fine amount for children is half of the adult fine".

It has been abundantly clear since the world first heard about it that NOBODY is in favor of this bill. Polls show the people don't even want this bill, yet Obama and the democrats are going to force it through anyway.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20 10/0330/Opinion-polls-Obama-s-health-car e-reform-law-not-a-winner-so-far

"Forty-four percent anticipate that the quality of their care will decline as a result of the reforms, while only 18 percent expect healthcare quality to rise, the Washington Post survey found".

3) The infamous Stimulus Bill. This thing raised our national debt by a few more trillion and promised to help restore our economy. It is one of the first things we heard about Obama doing once he took office and in the 18 months he's been there, let's see what he has to show for it. Our unemployment is holding steady at 9.5%, which I point out is even worse than it was during the worst of the Bush years. The stock market is continuing its decline. When can we expect to see some bang for our buck after all the new taxes and debt?

Probably never. Tax dollars seem to be used for bailouts more than ever. The AIG scandal was one of the most infamous, but what General Motors is doing makes my blood boil.

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/gm-spending -tax-dollars-on-political-contributions-
to-democrats

http://www.qvsplace.com/2010/06/general-
motors-ships-jobs-to-mexico-after-your-t ax-dollars-bailed-them-out/

Basically, General Motors is something like 60% owned by tax dollar money at this point and how are they spending that money? They are spending our tax dollars to give political favors to the democratic party and creating jobs IN MEXICO.

4) Obama has absolutely no regard for the borders. By blatantly ignoring the problem, then attacking the governor of Arizona for trying to fix it, he is perpetuating a problem that is draining our economy more than anything. Illegal immigrants have no taxes to pay, yet reap social security benefits and health care. Don't even try to tell me they aren't hurting our economy, they wouldn't be here in the first place if they were not getting something from us in that way.

Bottom Line: Bush was a terrible president, but in only 18 months Obama has proven himself to be even worse.

[thedo12]

At 8/13/10 12:15 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:
3) The infamous Stimulus Bill.

This is the only one I agree with and this certainly doesn't make him the worst president ever . He's not a good president by any means , but he's a lot better then Nixon/Reagan and bush.

But yeah giving money to cooperations instead of reforming the education system and improving the infrastructure of the country as a whole is a terrible idea.

[Danavers]

I heard Jimmy Carter was the worst.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/13/10 12:15 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Bottom Line: Bush was a terrible president, but in only 18 months Obama has proven himself to be even worse.

I don't how any of what Obama has done could be worse than vacationing while encouraging the economy to crash and killing several thousand of our young men and women for a stupid political ploy.

Say what you want about how you think he's bad, but there is no chance he is worse than Bush.

[Proteas]

At 8/12/10 09:12 PM, Jackotrades wrote: Its far too soon to judge Obama, its only been 18 months, not even halfway into his term.

So... people should wait 6 months until Republicans are back in power of Congress to offer up their opinion on whether or not they feel that Obama sucks as a president?

At 8/13/10 12:53 PM, Camarohusky wrote: I don't how any of what Obama has done could be worse than vacationing while encouraging the economy to crash and killing several thousand of our young men and women for a stupid political ploy.

Obama took 2 vacations during the BP Gulf Oil crisis (arguably the biggest environmental disaster in history) with one of those two vacations coincidings on Memorial Day which he skipped celebrating. Granted, he didn't personally send people off to die, but none of those acts really speak towards the quality of his character.

Oh, and he also followed BVush's model of throwing money at the problem to see if it solves itself (i.e.; the bailouts).

[Memorize]

I like how people say he's not as bad as bush, even when all of his policies are the same.

The war in the middle east? Expand it!
The Patriot Act? Extend it (after complaining about it)
FISA? Vote in favor of it (after complaining about it)
Stimulus? Why not... Bush did two of them with horrible results.
Bank bailout? Yep, we need one of those!
Auto bailout? Bush did it, so why not do it again?

Get rid of don't ask don't tell even when almost every major republican and neo-con say it's ready to be gotten rid of, and over 75% of Republicans and indepenents and 80% of democrats want it repealed? Nah, let's lolly-gag around pretending to do it.

I still think it's funny that he's against gay marriage, but no one has called him a homophobe yet.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/13/10 01:35 PM, Proteas wrote: Obama took 2 vacations during the BP Gulf Oil crisis (arguably the biggest environmental disaster in history) with one of those two vacations coincidings on Memorial Day which he skipped celebrating. Granted, he didn't personally send people off to die, but none of those acts really speak towards the quality of his character.

I know because the same people who are lambasting for not intervening in the oil spill were the same people who were saying he should not intervene with oil companies. Heck, many of those people said he STILL did too much. I guess when your platform is SOLELY based open seeing the otehr side fail it become A-OK to create paradoxes and act as if you were right the whole time.

Oh, and he also followed BVush's model of throwing money at the problem to see if it solves itself (i.e.; the bailouts).

Yeah. He did. The bailouts were not wrong, it was the lack of strings attached to bailouts that were the problem. Then again, the same people who are deriding this were the ones who championed the term too big to fail, and were the ones who encouraged shady trading by removing regulations. Having your cake and eating it too.

The GOP has done a good job of cockblocking the President and making it look like he's the cause of all of this shit that was set into motion well before he became President. I guess they have learned in the past 8 years that the public does not like any of the GOP's real policies.

[Memorize]

At 8/13/10 01:55 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

The GOP has done a good job of cockblocking the President and making it look like he's the cause of all of this shit that was set into motion well before he became President. I guess they have learned in the past 8 years that the public does not like any of the GOP's real policies.

Cheap, lame-ass excuse to cover for the President for doing absolutely jackshit different from the previous administration.

[studmuffin7]

At 8/13/10 12:53 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 8/13/10 12:15 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Bottom Line: Bush was a terrible president, but in only 18 months Obama has proven himself to be even worse.

I don't how any of what Obama has done could be worse than vacationing while encouraging the economy to crash and killing several thousand of our young men and women for a stupid political ploy.

Perhaps you are unaware, but Obama is vacationing VERY frequently, even at a time when our economy is in the toilet.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/na tionworld/2012557439_mobama07.html

http://theweek.com/article/index/205866/
michelle-obamas-posh-vacation

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-2 0011383-503544.html

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/16/o bama.vacation/index.html

The list goes on. He EASILY vacations more than Bush, no doubt.

Say what you want about how you think he's bad, but there is no chance he is worse than Bush.

There is no chance that he ISN'T worse than Bush. If you don't agree, than go back and reexamine the evidence.

[studmuffin7]

At 8/13/10 12:45 PM, Danavers wrote: I heard Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Obama is quickly proving himself to be the worst imo. Reagan was probably the best.

[Proteas]

At 8/13/10 03:03 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 8/13/10 01:55 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

The GOP has done a good job of cockblocking the President and making it look like he's the cause of all of this shit that was set into motion well before he became President. I guess they have learned in the past 8 years that the public does not like any of the GOP's real policies.

Cheap, lame-ass excuse to cover for the President for doing absolutely jackshit different from the previous administration.

Agreed. The Democrats are in FULL CONTROL of the government as we speak, they have full run of the land and can do as they wish and they're still bitching and complaining about how the Republicans are fucking things up for them. No sense of responsibility, no ability to admit when they're in the wrong, no desire to do better... business as usual.

[ASKDodge]

Martin Van Buren was a pretty shit president, but then again he didn't try to enact healthcare reform to help the poor, only an absolute bastard would do that...

[Carlos01]

i dont think so, maybe Nixon

[Camarohusky]

At 8/13/10 04:52 PM, Carlos01 wrote: i dont think so, maybe Nixon

Nixon actually was a decent President aside from the fact that he was a broken person.

He was able to open discourse with China for the first time since before World War II.

[Warforger]

At 8/13/10 01:54 PM, Memorize wrote: I like how people say he's not as bad as bush, even when all of his policies are the same.

The war in the middle east? Expand it!

Have you forgotten about Iraq already?

At 8/13/10 01:54 PM, Memorize wrote: The Patriot Act? Extend it (after complaining about it)

When did he complain about it?

At 8/13/10 01:54 PM, Memorize wrote: Stimulus? Why not... Bush did two of them with horrible results.
Bank bailout? Yep, we need one of those!
Auto bailout? Bush did it, so why not do it again?

The problem is choosing the companies too bail out, not bailing them out.

At 8/13/10 01:54 PM, Memorize wrote: Get rid of don't ask don't tell even when almost every major republican and neo-con say it's ready to be gotten rid of, and over 75% of Republicans and indepenents and 80% of democrats want it repealed? Nah, let's lolly-gag around pretending to do it.

What bill? Patriot Act? Healthcare?

I find it funny how during Bush's term Republicans were getting hard pressed to defend Bush, but now they just use the "its the same as Bush!" excuse which techniclly should mean that they should be praising he guy, not making all these attacks.

Strangely enough regardless of whatever Republican leaders or Fox say, Obama actually has a good track record of keeping his promises and fulfilling them according to PolitiFact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
promises/

[Warforger]

At 8/13/10 03:34 PM, Proteas wrote: Agreed. The Democrats are in FULL CONTROL of the government as we speak, they have full run of the land and can do as they wish and they're still bitching and complaining about how the Republicans are fucking things up for them. No sense of responsibility, no ability to admit when they're in the wrong, no desire to do better... business as usual.

No they don't. The system of "checks and balances" makes sure that never happens. Republicans still have a vote in Congress. Even then Republicans are all unified and Democrats are not as unified, you can see this just be the news corporations, there's one major Conservative corporation while a couple many Liberal ones with often different opinions.

[aokishi]

obama is just a continuation of bush because the real power din't shift qent obama came. because the huge amounts of money that are needed for a camping went a president get to power he is alredi a slve of the companies. the unided states two party system sucks how can the opinion of so many and diverse people be represented only by two partys. You don't have true democracy that way.

[NervousGuy]

If you don't health care reform, fuck you. I know of two incidents where Obamas' health care bill would have been really appreciated.

My aunt went to the ER for extreme stomach pain and nausea and was given anti-nausea medication and a CT scan. It turned out to be a stomach virus. She just got the bill in the mail. Fortunately she only owes 1200$ because of insurance, but imagine if she didn't. Just like the 1 and 6 Americans that don't.

She has a history of intestinal blockage, which is a very serious condition. She said the pain was exactly the same as when she had the blockage. When she had the blockage (didn't know it was a blockage at the time) she tried to wait and see if it would go away before she went to the hospital. This only made matters worse and she almost died. And she had to declare bankruptcy because of that hospital bill. So it was safest just to go to the ER this time. I realize that the pricetag may pale in comparison to many other hospital bills given in this country, and that is exactly why the system needs to be fixed.

A guy I know used to be a health insurance broker. He did business with 22 insurance companies across the nation.

That was until he talked to a lady who had been with a major insurance company for a long time, one that he did business with directly. Her husband developed a brain tumor and after an extensive hospital stay, tests, treatments, and other misc. the bill was in excess of $750,000.

That is not the bad part. The bad part is that this company chose to deny his coverage on his deathbed. This man had to file for divorce of his wife of over 30 years so his wife would not be stuck with that bill.

That was his last day as a broker. If you support capitalism having any role in healthcare, fuck you.

I have to laugh every time I see the Republicans criticize him for not delivering on his promises, while they fight tooth-and-nail to prevent him doing so.

Then I cry when I know that most democrats are pussies and should behave more like Anthony Weiner

You people who are saying he's worse than bush endured 8 years of bush (because you voted him in) and you expect Obama to solve everything in barely two years?! I think we are a pessimistic society that would rather complain than help. Stop complaining.

I'm not happy with some of the decisions Obama has made, but I sure as hell think he's better than bush, and considering all that's been thrown on his lap, he's doing an alright job.

[aviewaskewed]

I always love when people try to play this game with Obama...or any democrat really. For all the crying about the liberal media is screwing us in this country (and it does sometimes) the far right doesn't do their team any favors either.

Worst ever? Oh come on...let me know when we can charge him with something the level of Tea Pot Dome, The Trail of Tears, or some of the more odious illegalities and excesses of the prior administration. Then we can talk.

[chairmankem]

Most people don't seem to realize that the vast majority of leaders aren't particularly exceptional, and don't compare to statesmen like Augustus, George Washington, Winston Churchill, etc., or even their comparatively lesser colleagues.