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That was awesome.

At 8/11/10 01:04 PM, Dubbi wrote: Not everyone can go around swinging retards with bats, because they're being retarded - people just need to call the cops.

Right. Let's all call the cops and ask our attacker to calmly wait half an hour to get tsked tsked and put in time out for a few days-at most a month.

That was great, I wish they all got it though, sadly they didn't.

At 8/11/10 07:33 PM, CommanderFalcon wrote:

At 8/11/10 01:04 PM, Dubbi wrote: Not everyone can go around swinging retards with bats, because they're being retarded - people just need to call the cops.

Right. Let's all call the cops and ask our attacker to calmly wait half an hour to get tsked tsked and put in time out for a few days-at most a month.

This. These guys would just take from it they they would get a week or so in jail and that they should be sure not to do it again. The only thing in jail that would make them never want to never go back would be the rape. Which would be awesome if they got because then they would be too terrified to commit a crime on the chance that they got caught.

Sure rape is wrong. But, I don't think of violent criminals as "people" like us.

Those insolent bastards got what was coming.Hope they suffer permanent brain damage.

At 8/11/10 01:55 AM, Piss wrote:

At 8/11/10 01:52 AM, SloppyMoe606 wrote: If any of them got a concussion or hurt, they deserved it. That injury will be a reminder of how stupid they were before.

Seriously, what the fuck do they have to contribute to society anyway? All they do is try to intimidate and scare people. Anyone showing sympathy for these people is obviously a spoiled suburb kid who's never had to deal with drunkards and lowlifes.

Oh yeah, just stereotype. I live in the city with a middle class family and I have hung around drunkards and guys who although probably aren't lowlifes who do crimes, they slack off and such. Actually, I had a childhood friend who was charged with kidnapping, extortion, and a few other crimes, last year. I don't support what he did and, again, what those guys in the video did. Since I'm long out of touch with my ex-friend, I don't know exactly what happened to him. He was a troublemaker in grade school, but I don't know why. I don't hate him now, though.

When you picture yourself walking in someone else's shoes, it's a different scenario than calling him scum and wanting him to die. Yet again, we don't know those guys. We don't know how they were raised and if they do this sort of thing every time they get drunk. If they are, in fact, lowlifes, I doubt them getting hurt by a vigilante is gonna stop them from being who they are because of their lack of education. People don't have the right to kill or harm others because they don't "contribute to society". If they don't steal and still pay for things like food and clothes, they are contributing.

At 8/11/10 07:33 PM, CommanderFalcon wrote:

At 8/11/10 01:04 PM, Dubbi wrote: Not everyone can go around swinging retards with bats, because they're being retarded - people just need to call the cops.

Right. Let's all call the cops and ask our attacker to calmly wait half an hour to get tsked tsked and put in time out for a few days-at most a month.

It may not be a way to reform them, but it is still punishment. I don't have the stats on hand and they're probably different from place to place, but not everyone re-offends. Reforming every criminal in jail is likely too costly and time consuming.

At 8/11/10 01:27 PM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

At 8/11/10 01:04 PM, Dubbi wrote: As ennui stated, the damange to the car could be covered by insurance, and is pales in comparsion to damange caused to the drunks own lives by being struck powerfully by a bat. Vigilantism only leads to chaos; you need stable laws to preserve orders. Not everyone can go around swinging retards with bats, because they're being retarded - people just need to call the cops.

Calling the cops is great and should be practiced by everyone (in certain situations) but when the average citizen is encountered by douche bags like this. It his his/her responsibility to hand out justice ON THE FUCKIN' SPOT.

The guy didn't have to get out of the car; he chose to. He just happened to have a bat with him and was brave enough to attack them. Cops are likely to tell you not to engage with thugs like them because it's dangerous. It's obviously not your legal responsibility to be a vigilante.

The citizen aforementioned has every right to do so and it's scared women like you that make it easy for scumbags to get away with shit shown in the video.

Who's saying they would've gotten away with it? And why did you call him a female? Are you sexist?

LOL the camera man was like, orgasming while he was recording "Yes....YES....YES..." haha. But yeah, that was fucking great, I respect the shit out of that guy for having the balls to take on several large, drunk douchebags all by himself with the help of his trusty bat.

At 8/11/10 09:07 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote:

vigilante.

A vigilante is a person who hunts down criminals when they could be safe in bed.

This guy was attacked and defended himself before those assholes could get in their cars and chase him.

I hope you get beaten to death in the street, crying for help while some douche bag pussy calls the cops instead of running to fight off the bastards taking turns kicking you as you lay there unconcious.

And how the fuck do you know if maybe that guy's kid was sitting in that car strapped to a child seat when this happened? Maybe that's why he just rolls around town with a bat... BECAUSE HE PLAYS WITH HIS KID.

At 8/11/10 10:01 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 8/11/10 09:07 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote:

vigilante.

A vigilante is a person who hunts down criminals when they could be safe in bed.

This guy was attacked and defended himself before those assholes could get in their cars and chase him.

How do you know they were going to do that?

I hope you get beaten to death in the street, crying for help while some douche bag pussy calls the cops instead of running to fight off the bastards taking turns kicking you as you lay there unconcious.

Yeah, men who call the cops instead of fight are pussies who express their emotions and respect women! Fuck 'em!

And how the fuck do you know if maybe that guy's kid was sitting in that car strapped to a child seat when this happened? Maybe that's why he just rolls around town with a bat... BECAUSE HE PLAYS WITH HIS KID.

I know your whole post might be sarcasm, but if there was a kid in the car, that's worse because he's endangering his kid as well as himself.

It should also be noted that the sound of glass (from the car) breaking was after he attacked them, not before. One or two windows were punched before, so if he drove off, there would've been less damage to the car. Also, if someone called the cops and the thugs got arrested, he maybe could've had them pay for the damages.

At 8/11/10 10:38 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: It should also be noted that the sound of glass (from the car) breaking was after he attacked them, not before. One or two windows were punched before, so if he drove off, there would've been less damage to the car. Also, if someone called the cops and the thugs got arrested, he maybe could've had them pay for the damages.

I should add that because of the quality and POV of the video, it's hard to tell how much, if any, damage there even was to the car before he attacked them.

At 8/11/10 08:53 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: Yet again, we don't know those guys. We don't know how they were raised and if they do this sort of thing every time they get drunk.

But then wouldn't they be aware of how they act when they are drunk. Why would they use a substance that causes them to be that violent unless they just don't care about others.

Like I said I don't view violent criminals as real people. The are lower than dirt and them dying or being hurt matters as much to me as it would happen to an ant. Now if a man was just going about his day and someone jumped out of a car and beat the shit out of him with a bat I would be appalled and feel terrible. Because I view him as a "real person" like us.

At 8/11/10 10:58 PM, Cootie wrote:

At 8/11/10 08:53 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: Yet again, we don't know those guys. We don't know how they were raised and if they do this sort of thing every time they get drunk.

But then wouldn't they be aware of how they act when they are drunk. Why would they use a substance that causes them to be that violent unless they just don't care about others.

Like I said I don't view violent criminals as real people. The are lower than dirt and them dying or being hurt matters as much to me as it would happen to an ant. Now if a man was just going about his day and someone jumped out of a car and beat the shit out of him with a bat I would be appalled and feel terrible. Because I view him as a "real person" like us.

Again, wh are you to say who is real person deserving of civil rights and who isn't. Just because they acted like drunken retards, the law can't be circumvented. If you were allowed to beat anyone who is deemed 'subhuman', the world would be a much scarier place. This is why we need laws and why the situation mentioned in the thread should have been handled by the police.

At 8/11/10 11:05 PM, Dubbi wrote:

At 8/11/10 10:58 PM, Cootie wrote:

At 8/11/10 08:53 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: Yet again, we don't know those guys. We don't know how they were raised and if they do this sort of thing every time they get drunk.

But then wouldn't they be aware of how they act when they are drunk. Why would they use a substance that causes them to be that violent unless they just don't care about others.

Like I said I don't view violent criminals as real people. The are lower than dirt and them dying or being hurt matters as much to me as it would happen to an ant. Now if a man was just going about his day and someone jumped out of a car and beat the shit out of him with a bat I would be appalled and feel terrible. Because I view him as a "real person" like us.

Again, wh are you to say who is real person deserving of civil rights and who isn't. Just because they acted like drunken retards, the law can't be circumvented. If you were allowed to beat anyone who is deemed 'subhuman', the world would be a much scarier place. This is why we need laws and why the situation mentioned in the thread should have been handled by the police.

Maybe it should have been. But you have to admire his bravery and his will to give them a taste of their own medicine. Maybe this will have a harder impact on them than some time in jail would. Because it isn't the police punishing them, but the guy who they tried to walk all over.

And do you really think that these guys matter as much as a person who does good for the world instead of acting like this?

Either way. I never meant for this thread to get into a big debate like this. I just wanted to show you guys a nice video that I found funny and wanted you to share your thoughts.

At 8/11/10 10:38 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: *rational opinions*

I have no problem explaining to you my point of view and life experience.

Before I do so, I would like to know how old you are, where you grew up and if you are a male or a female.

At 8/11/10 10:58 PM, Cootie wrote:

At 8/11/10 08:53 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: Yet again, we don't know those guys. We don't know how they were raised and if they do this sort of thing every time they get drunk.

But then wouldn't they be aware of how they act when they are drunk. Why would they use a substance that causes them to be that violent unless they just don't care about others.

Jumping on a car, punching the windows, and breaking one is not "that violent". Now, if they all shot up the car and made sure the driver was dead if the car didn't explode, that's different. Actually, the one guy in the black shirt who hardly or didn't fight back and who told the driver to leave earlier is sympathetic to me and perhaps to other viewers.

You have a point on the alcohol because I think unless you get really hammered, you know what you're doing and even at least somewhat remember it. That's what happened in my experiences, anyway. But we still don't know who they are and if something out of the ordinary provoked that shirtless guy.

Like I said I don't view violent criminals as real people. The are lower than dirt and them dying or being hurt matters as much to me as it would happen to an ant. Now if a man was just going about his day and someone jumped out of a car and beat the shit out of him with a bat I would be appalled and feel terrible. Because I view him as a "real person" like us.

Using "real person" is very subjective because you don't know what that person getting beaten is like. Not saying this justifies the crime, but the victim is not automatically a morally decent person and maybe the crime wasn't random. Obviously, you have your views, which I think are at least kind of close minded, but I refuse to view my ex-friend as being lower than dirt. He's a human being and he didn't participate in those crimes for no reason.

At 8/11/10 11:40 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote:

Using "real person" is very subjective because you don't know what that person getting beaten is like. Not saying this justifies the crime, but the victim is not automatically a morally decent person and maybe the crime wasn't random. Obviously, you have your views, which I think are at least kind of close minded, but I refuse to view my ex-friend as being lower than dirt. He's a human being and he didn't participate in those crimes for no reason.

Of course he didn't do it "for no reason". He either wanted to make money that way or it gave him some sort of mad man thrill or fulfillment. He probably didn't weep every night after he committed those crimes. It probably didn't have anything to do with upbringing nor do most people like that. People with good and bad parents can end up successful or a criminal. People like to rest there blame on others too much these days.

You are probably biased because he is your buddy. I am not like that. I am aware that my uncle and sister are lower than dirt. Once you commit serious crimes like kidnapping it doesn't matter if you read to your little brother at night.

But still. I never meant for this to be a big moral discussion. Just for us to enjoy the nice *TINK* sound that bat made across their drunken noggins.

Well, I look at this is an ethical way rather then an emotional way; was it the correct and ethical choice to attack him?

Well, it depends, they were aggressively threatening him and endangering him.

I will assume that this man has been in contact with these men before, I came to this conclusion after analyzing his actions in the situation. He was in car, so in a portable shelter capable of simply escaping from the wrong-doers, secondly, he immediately approached them in an meancing and intimidating fashion. Look at it this way, if there indeed were goons acting in that same way around you, wouldn't you either ignore them or attempt to calm them down? I think that this encounter with the drunks wasn't the first time this man had seen these people, because he understood that sensibly rectifying the situation would prove to be pointless. So he made a choice, to exit the car and prove to the man that bothering him any longer would be stupid and would leaad to future attack.

So in conclusion, it seems that this was not the first encounter between the men, and action of some sort was the most wise decision. I cannot say that I particularily condone his choice, but I respect the fact that he stood up to his tormentors. Indeed, the decision was not the course of action I would have taken, whereas I would have called the police, I still respect his decision and have nothing against it as it would the ethically correct choice.

At 8/11/10 11:31 PM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

At 8/11/10 10:38 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: *rational opinions*

I have no problem explaining to you my point of view and life experience.

Before I do so, I would like to know how old you are, where you grew up and if you are a male or a female.

Well because I'm on the same boat as ennui regarding this argument, I'll answer the question.

15, male, and I grew (am growing) up in in a rather affluent part of long island - Woodbury. This may make me sound like a tool who knows nothing of the real world, but I do; yet, I still try to live by and believe in morals.

At 8/11/10 11:50 PM, Cootie wrote:
Of course he didn't do it "for no reason". He either wanted to make money that way or it gave him some sort of mad man thrill or fulfillment. He probably didn't weep every night after he committed those crimes. It probably didn't have anything to do with upbringing nor do most people like that. People with good and bad parents can end up successful or a criminal. People like to rest there blame on others too much these days.

You're making judgements which you really can't infer from this video. Maybe they're just jerks with good upbringings who justs wants the thrill; or maybe, they're good people with bad circumstances thrust upon them, causing them to act this way. The point is, you don't know anything about them, and you can't decide whether they have the right to live based on this one video.

At 8/11/10 11:59 PM, Dubbi wrote:

At 8/11/10 11:31 PM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

At 8/11/10 10:38 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: *rational opinions*

I have no problem explaining to you my point of view and life experience.

Before I do so, I would like to know how old you are, where you grew up and if you are a male or a female.

Well because I'm on the same boat as ennui regarding this argument, I'll answer the question.

15, male, and I grew (am growing) up in in a rather affluent part of long island - Woodbury. This may make me sound like a tool who knows nothing of the real world, but I do; yet, I still try to live by and believe in morals.

I think I came off a bit presumptious here - you have no obligation to tell me anything; you were responding to ennui, not me.

At 8/12/10 12:04 AM, Dubbi wrote:

At 8/11/10 11:50 PM, Cootie wrote:
Of course he didn't do it "for no reason". He either wanted to make money that way or it gave him some sort of mad man thrill or fulfillment. He probably didn't weep every night after he committed those crimes. It probably didn't have anything to do with upbringing nor do most people like that. People with good and bad parents can end up successful or a criminal. People like to rest there blame on others too much these days.

You're making judgements which you really can't infer from this video. Maybe they're just jerks with good upbringings who justs wants the thrill; or maybe, they're good people with bad circumstances thrust upon them, causing them to act this way. The point is, you don't know anything about them, and you can't decide whether they have the right to live based on this one video.

I don't see how any sort of bad circumstance could make them do this. Nobody was forcing them to do this and they had nothing to gain. There is no other reason other than fun they would be doing this. They weren't going to steal the car and sell it. Which would be just a bad regardless of how bad they needed the money. It is still not yours.

Like those people who defend robbers saying that they have to eat. If you walk into a restaurant and tell them that you are literally going to stave if they do not feed you they will. Hell, you can live off if ramen noodles and those cost 20 cents a pack which is less than a dollar a day if you want free meals. You can bum that much off people in less than five minutes.

At 8/12/10 12:21 AM, Cootie wrote:
I don't see how any sort of bad circumstance could make them do this. Nobody was forcing them to do this and they had nothing to gain. There is no other reason other than fun they would be doing this.

You misunderstood on me, I suppose - I'll try to explain better. You and me both had pretty stable childhoods in safe areas, but not everyone had this luxury. Others grew up in bad neighborhoods infested with crime and drugs, and coupled with absent parents, they were almost destined to be bad. But if they lived the childhood that I lived, they probably wouldn't be. This is not to say that all people in bad neighborhoods are bad, and all in good ones are good, but proportionally more criminals come from a bad upbringing. This is why you can't be to rash to discard thugs as subhuman.

At 8/12/10 12:27 AM, Dubbi wrote:

At 8/12/10 12:21 AM, Cootie wrote:
I don't see how any sort of bad circumstance could make them do this. Nobody was forcing them to do this and they had nothing to gain. There is no other reason other than fun they would be doing this.

You misunderstood on me, I suppose - I'll try to explain better. You and me both had pretty stable childhoods in safe areas, but not everyone had this luxury. Others grew up in bad neighborhoods infested with crime and drugs, and coupled with absent parents, they were almost destined to be bad. But if they lived the childhood that I lived, they probably wouldn't be. This is not to say that all people in bad neighborhoods are bad, and all in good ones are good, but proportionally more criminals come from a bad upbringing. This is why you can't be to rash to discard thugs as subhuman.

You are quite smart and good at debating. This is fun.

But surely, the ones who really try can overcome this and want to better themselves. The ones who are strong willed decide to be the exact opposite of the people they live near. It all comes down to personal responsibility and making sure that you take the right things from your situation. Those who CHOOSE to dwell on their upbringing and place of birth begin to think that the world has trapped them in a bad situation. But you can rise above and it is those with better hearts who normally do it.

Like my mother who lived the most horrible childhood imaginable (just hearing it depressed me) turned out fine because she took the right things from it because of personal responsibility and not feeling like a victim. While my sister who went bad due to her underlying dark nature committed crime even though she had a perfect childhood.

I do agree that sometimes no matter how hard people try they end up "bad". But it is far more rare than I think you believe.

At 8/12/10 12:36 AM, Cootie wrote:
Like my mother who lived the most horrible childhood imaginable (just hearing it depressed me) turned out fine because she took the right things from it because of personal responsibility and not feeling like a victim. While my sister who went bad due to her underlying dark nature committed crime even though she had a perfect childhood.

I do agree that sometimes no matter how hard people try they end up "bad". But it is far more rare than I think you believe.

Now remember, there are exceptions in everything, like your mom and sister, but we must deal with reality, not an ideal society. Ideally, all people in all circumstances would turn out good, but they don't. Now, we can make the assumption that some people are naturally bad. Wait! If this was the case, the same percentage of people in bad neighborhoods would turn out than in good neighborhoods. But we both know that there are more criminals in the bad ones, so this mean that something else determines how good a person you'll be: you're surroundings.

With this in mind, you can't objectively say that the thugs in the video are bad just because they're evil, or if they're bad, because they of harsh surroundings in a bad neighborhood. And thus, to say that they deserve to die is ignorant - for you could have just as well have a criminal if you had a terrible upbringing. Again, not saying you would definetly turn out bad, but there'd be a much greater chance.

I'm not saying that they're good people; all I'm saying is, you don't know enough about them to know if they're evil and deserve to die. I hope we can agree on this.

At 8/12/10 12:52 AM, Dubbi wrote: stuff.

I do agree. Maybe in my anger I hastily judged what they did as worthy of death. It wasn't. They should serve some pretty serious jail time and they needed the hits with the bat that they got. But it would have went to far if they died. I don't need to want death to those who don't have morals as strong as mine.

I do stand beside my thoughts that murderers, rapist, kidnappers, and those who rob places prepared to kill if they don't get what they want. Truly any person would know that these things are wrong. I admit people like the ones on the video make mistakes. But those I listed above aren't just mistakes and they need to be executed.

Nice find Cootie this made my day! The first guy that got hit I was thinking " Dame hope he blacked out!". The punks deserved what they got wish the guy with the bat made more swings for there heads. I couldn't tell what was more funny the cameraman saying YES,YES. YES! or the punks getting there asses kicked!

At 8/11/10 11:31 PM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

At 8/11/10 10:38 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote: *rational opinions*

I have no problem explaining to you my point of view and life experience.

Before I do so, I would like to know how old you are, where you grew up and if you are a male or a female.

Well, alright. My info's in my profile and Toronto's indeed where I live and grew up. Used to live in a bad neighbourhood until 1994, when I moved to a safe one I'm currently at. Don't know what this has to do with your sexist remark, though.

At 8/11/10 11:50 PM, Cootie wrote:

At 8/11/10 11:40 PM, EclecticEnnui wrote:

Using "real person" is very subjective because you don't know what that person getting beaten is like. Not saying this justifies the crime, but the victim is not automatically a morally decent person and maybe the crime wasn't random. Obviously, you have your views, which I think are at least kind of close minded, but I refuse to view my ex-friend as being lower than dirt. He's a human being and he didn't participate in those crimes for no reason.

Of course he didn't do it "for no reason". He either wanted to make money that way or it gave him some sort of mad man thrill or fulfillment. He probably didn't weep every night after he committed those crimes. It probably didn't have anything to do with upbringing nor do most people like that. People with good and bad parents can end up successful or a criminal. People like to rest there blame on others too much these days.

"In 1986 Dr. Lewis and Dr. Pincus published a study of 15 death row inmates that found all had suffered severe head injuries in childhood and about half had been injured by assaults. 6 were chronically psychotic. Far from invoking an "abuse excuse," Dr. Lewis said, all but one had minimized or denied their psychiatric disorders, figuring that it was better to be bad than crazy. Many, she said, had been so traumatized that they could not remember how they had received their scars. The answers had to come from childhood medical records and interviews with family members.

In another study, of 14 juveniles sentenced to death, the researchers found that all had suffered head trauma, most in car accidents but many by beatings as well. 12 had suffered brutal physical abuse, 5 of those sodomized by relatives.

No one suggests that abuse or brain damage makes a murderer, but Dr. Lewis says that while most damaged people do not turn into killers, almost every killer is a damaged person. She concludes that most murderers are shaped by the combination of damage to the brain, particularly to the frontal lobes, which control aggression and impulsiveness, and the even more complex damage visited by repeated, violent child abuse." - Laura Mansnerus. "Damaged Brains and the Death Penalty". The New York Times. 2001.

As it says, people with bad upbringings don't automatically become bad people, but it does happen.

You are probably biased because he is your buddy. I am not like that. I am aware that my uncle and sister are lower than dirt. Once you commit serious crimes like kidnapping it doesn't matter if you read to your little brother at night.

To be honest, I've felt this open mindedness about criminals before I found out about my ex-friend. When I found out, I was shocked and did think it was rotten, but I didn't think he deserved to die, which wouldn't happen in Canada and also America. Psychiatrists and similar people are probably the most open minded when it comes to criminals. I'm not as smart as them, but I try to put myself in their position if I hear about a criminal's life, etc.

But still. I never meant for this to be a big moral discussion.

Well, yeah, but even a simple video like this can spark debate, like when a cop recently punched a woman defending her friend who jaywalked.

Anyway, you've said you were quick to judge and such, so that's good. I dunno how much more I'm willing to debate, but let's keep going for now.

At 8/12/10 03:18 AM, EclecticEnnui wrote: Well, alright. My info's in my profile and Toronto's indeed where I live and grew up. Used to live in a bad neighbourhood until 1994, when I moved to a safe one I'm currently at. Don't know what this has to do with your sexist remark, though.

I don't deny that I am a "sexist".

I referred to you as a "she" because I don't respect your VERY weak point of view.

I asked for your age and gender because I didn't want to insult a little girl on the internet but apparently your age and sex is a secret cause instead of answering me you referred me to your userpage which I have no interest in visiting. So from now on I'll just go on the premise that you are indeed a little girl with an internet connection that lives in Canada.

As far as this particular discussion and your lack of experience in the real world. I hope that the day some random asshole decides to piss in your fuckin' cheerios for the lulz, someone like me happens to be around that refuses to let them get away with it.

Hopefully that random dude that fucks your day up stops at urinating in your breakfast cereal and doesn't snatch at your little titties or try to put his pee-pee in your hoo-hoo without your permission.

Waiting for the cops to show up while he has at your vagina would be terrible...

At 8/11/10 06:43 PM, GOOSE15 wrote: How typically american.

How is this typically American? Typical ignorance. There is insane BS like this happening all over the world. I'd like to think the people who understand why this whole incident is so wrong are world wide, even in America. There are too many posts like this on the web. You do understand that EVERY country practices propaganda right?