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At 8/24/10 08:10 AM, GameMasterShania wrote: It's supposed to be "inconsistant and wobbly" because it's cartoon. I didn't aim for anime or anything.

This is Butters Stotch from South Park:

No seriously, M-Vero has it right on the mark. Even in cartooning, you can plug a whole lot of detail into it and still maintain that goofy cartoon look - just go ahead and look at M-Vero's pieces himself. Jouste, the like, they all manage to make their pieces look epic without deviating from the main theme of cartooning.

I think you're confusing a "simple" cartoon with a "simplified" cartoon. Try plugging some more time and effort - WAY more time and effort, into these pictures - you'll discover that you can add a whole lot without changing the formula - it'll still remain a cartoon, not turn into anime or realism or the like.

As for my opinion on these pieces themselves, it's crap and it's getting worse. I honestly liked your starting pic the best of all so far in this thread, why don't you review what you did back then?

At 8/24/10 08:10 AM, GameMasterShania wrote: It's supposed to be "inconsistant and wobbly" because it's cartoon.

You know, I'm pretty fucking sick of this excuse.
It's not wobbly because its cartooney
it's wobbly because you don't want to take the time to learn to draw, so you just use cartoons as a crutch.

Please give me one example of a professionally drawn character, drawn with squiggly lines, that do not have the squiggly lines for the sake of livening up the animation, such as ed edd and eddy or home movies.

Okay, not a good reason. Sheesh, don't call it an "excuse" if the artist isn't aware.

Here's one from earlier I did (it took ages to draw all the nuts):

Please give me one example of a professionally drawn character, drawn with squiggly lines, that do not have the squiggly lines for the sake of livening up the animation, such as ed edd and eddy or home movies.

Garfield (cartoon), and Spongebob. Need more?

Alright, a few things
How can you not be aware you're doing it when you admit you're doing it? You have total control of what you produce as an artist, you can't just not know you're doing something.

What are you talking about? Spongebob has ridges, because he is a sponge that is to add texture.
Because he is a sponge, other than that, the line's are quite smooth.

Even more so with garfield, he has very clean lineart, and as far as I know, always has had clean lineart.

I'm done here, you clearly don't want help with your work, any attempts to help have been shot down with nonsense and excuses, just gonna watch from the sidelines and enjoy the show.

At 8/27/10 08:33 AM, GameMasterShania wrote: Here's one from earlier I did (it took ages to draw all the nuts):

you mean the random lines that dont even vaguely resemble nuts, yeah that would take about 10 seconds.....

again work on your lineart its far too wobbly, dont try pulling the style card, thats not a style thats bad lineart that you need to improve

Lmao, who needs clean lines and shit?

Sania is basically doing what every child knows how to do already with the primal skills that brought us to where we are today.

Same thing, less practice man.

Retracting my previous statement for a sec here.

At 8/27/10 03:56 PM, MagicalJamie wrote: Lmao, who needs clean lines and shit?

Sania is basically doing what every child knows how to do already with the primal skills that brought us to where we are today.

Same thing, less practice man.

What?

More practice is required and that's all.

Here is some curved line practice with different brushes on paint. Before I just grabbed the brush and doodled but it really looks better with curve tool so next I'm posting some practices of drawings.

wow. its the Text tool and some lines. not impressed
we dont need to see your 2 minute effort at "practice"

i feel like we are going to start whoring out the popcorn pic >.<

At 9/15/10 04:22 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: wow. its the Text tool and some lines. not impressed
we dont need to see your 2 minute effort at "practice"

i feel like we are going to start whoring out the popcorn pic >.<

Wow. Super obvious troll post much?

Anyways, this is two cats. They're meant to be a husband and wife. On one side is the husband, on the other the wife. This is a practice sketch and I just need opinions.

well, for one, they are missing bodies

lol, she called me a troll xD

i see the effort behind it but it still needs a lot of work...

At 9/15/10 04:30 PM, GameMasterShania wrote:

At 9/15/10 04:22 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: wow. its the Text tool and some lines. not impressed
we dont need to see your 2 minute effort at "practice"

i feel like we are going to start whoring out the popcorn pic >.<

Wow. Super obvious troll post much?

She's not actually trying to troll there have been some of them are actually trying to help you through advice and yet you're trying to push them a way.

At 9/15/10 04:30 PM, GameMasterShania wrote:

At 9/15/10 04:22 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: wow. its the Text tool and some lines. not impressed
we dont need to see your 2 minute effort at "practice"

i feel like we are going to start whoring out the popcorn pic >.<

Wow. Super obvious troll post much?

your art is terrible, start improving or stop with the ego, nobodys trolling theyre just saying the truth, because youve made no attempt to improve or showed any improvement in the whole thread and that is the truth

now call me a troll XD

At 9/15/10 04:30 PM, GameMasterShania wrote:

At 9/15/10 04:22 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: wow. its the Text tool and some lines. not impressed

Wow. Super obvious troll post much?

Not really, she's just pointing out the obvious

Anyways, this is two cats. They're meant to be a husband and wife. On one side is the husband, on the other the wife. This is a practice sketch and I just need opinions.

I say you should grab a pencil and a paper and try to draw there instead.

This is the one with the completed bodies of the cats. No BG yet. Sos.

What I've done here is taken my cat couple and placed them into my candle picture. Now it looks like a litte cartoon with 2.5D BGs and 2D characters.

this is slightly less bad.
try not to use MSPaint as your medium. also, add some shading, and maybe real cat colors?
also, the cats look like foxes. do you mind looking at some refs?
also, could use shading and detail so it actually looks like fur.

At 9/15/10 04:54 PM, GameMasterShania wrote: What I've done here is taken my cat couple and placed them into my candle picture. Now it looks like a litte cartoon with 2.5D BGs and 2D characters.

since the background is pencil, couldnt you have at least used a ruler, straight lines would look better for the background, and would avoid you drawing everything at some wierd angle like you have done, id say do more sketching in pencil, since you obviously have the means to photograph the work, and you obviously need the practice

it is getting better when you stated using the line tools.

It's still not great but you got better.

I agree with the idea that you should start drawing traditionaly.
It's harder to put on the computer, but if you really love art you will do it even if nobody will see it.

At 9/15/10 04:55 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote:

:the cats look like foxes. do you mind looking at some refs?

also, could use shading and detail so it actually looks like fur.

You see, I'm aiming for that old animal cartoon thing. Where you just sketch it out, go over your sketch in a different colour, and place your characters in your background. Do the mice in Pinky and the Brain or The Great Mouse Detective look like mice? What about the cats and dogs in Cats Don't Dance? I thought so.

Also, replying to the guy who said to use a ruler, I meant for it to be realistic. I mean, look around you, man, do you see anything with a COMPLETELY straight line?

Which brings me to this picture:

This one is a clip from an animation I made:

Also, if you guys could just tone down a little on what sounds like a troll post, because it took me all the time I haven't posted to make that. Seriously. I got a new hypercam in the past month and got used to drawing on paint, I even did an animation and uploaded all my so-far work to YouTube.

At 9/23/10 04:13 PM, Luwano wrote: Looks pretty much like a filtered photo to me.

Oops, we were writing at the same time.

It's not a photo, and I don't have any program with filters that can do that anyways. I sketched it out on paper, scanned it, smoothed out the lines using pencil, brush and eraser on paint, put it in an animations, and posted it here for you guys to see.

What you OBVIOUSLY need is a tablet!

Your art will be so much better, I swear Tablets are amazing i used to draw horrible until I got a tablet they are completely and utterly diffrent from a mouse.

OR
we can not spend a couple hundred bucks and use a piece of paper...
Tablets do not make better artists, practice makes better artists.
And that is blatantly a filtered photo, you aren't fooling anyone.