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At 8/7/10 01:17 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Since Obama took office and the liberals took the House & Senate, our national debt soared from like... 3-4 trillion or something to around 13 trillion, mainly because of that damn stimulus package.

It was around $10 trillion when he took office. For comparison, it was around $5 trillion when Bush took office. Much of that money ended up financing the war or the sweeping tax cuts.

Well our unemployment rate is now holding steady at 9.5% which is HIGHER than it was during even the worst of the Bush years.

We were in the middle of an economic boom during the Bush years before the economy collapsed... at the end of his term.

HURRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Now look at companies they chose to bail out with that money.

Not Obama's fault.

And don't even get me started on our trade deficits.

Not Obama's fault. Our massive trade deficit was present, and even expanded, during the Bush years.

Then you have to consider all the tax increases

What tax increases? You mean like letting the Bush tax cuts expire as they were supposed to? OH NO!

So you're worried about a massive debt to finance and a gigantic deficit to fill up. Instead of blaming the guy who increased it massively to pay for two strategic failures of wars and tax cuts for the rich who now own most of the potentially taxable wealth in this country partly thanks to said policies, you blame the person who you think might be trying to remedy this financial problem by raising taxes?

And conservatives are crazy for being pissed off at all this crap?

Not. Obama's. Fault.

I watch Glenn Beck. Most of the attacks on him are taken out of context and most people believe it because they don't watch it.

I'm not completely defending him because I don't watch it that much and I don't agree with his every word. I think for myself, but I don't think he's the crackpot a lot of liberals make him out to be.

At 8/10/10 12:29 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: I watch Glenn Beck. Most of the attacks on him are taken out of context and most people believe it because they don't watch it.

I'm not completely defending him because I don't watch it that much and I don't agree with his every word. I think for myself, but I don't think he's the crackpot a lot of liberals make him out to be.

What are you talking about? I had more respect for him BEFORE I watched his show. I only saw half of one episode before his dedication to hatred of Liberals annoyed me so much I just stopped watching so my headache could go away which was caused because of his obvious hypocrisy and stupidity.

He actually convinced me that he was wrong and his show made me more liberal.

I watched him talking about the "immorality" of GTA IV. That was a while back, I don't remember some of it, but this pretty much sums it up:

Glenn: "You can sleep with a prostitute, then kill her!"
*Pro GTA IV person talking*
Glenn: "You can sleep with a prostitute, then kill her!"
*Pro GTA IV person talking*
Glenn: "Okay, but the important thing is that you can sleep with a prostitute, then kill her!"
*Pro GTA IV person talking*
Glenn (interupting): "That's all the time we have for now, and remember, if you really wanna sleep with a prostitute, then kill her, go out and buy GTA IV."

lol.. i like how everyone who doesn't like Glenn Beck is saying they hate him because he crys, or he's a hypocrite! Or an idiot etc... yet.. there are no facts leading up to these beliefs... just emotion...
Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously, otherwise everyone here defending him and conservatives or anyone, should let it be, because they don't want to debate with you, they just want to trash Glenn Beck. Let them do it, it's not changing anyone elses opinion... Just saying.

At 8/11/10 02:35 PM, bobsaget4life wrote: lol.. i like how everyone who doesn't like Glenn Beck is saying they hate him because he crys, or he's a hypocrite! Or an idiot etc... yet.. there are no facts leading up to these beliefs... just emotion...
Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously, otherwise everyone here defending him and conservatives or anyone, should let it be, because they don't want to debate with you, they just want to trash Glenn Beck. Let them do it, it's not changing anyone elses opinion... Just saying.

Glenn Beck show consists of trashing Liberals.

But anyway. He criticized MSNBC for reporting a Lindsey Lohan story while earlier in the same episode he quoted People magazine, so either he isn't better or he scavenges for everything he can do to hate liberals.

He convinced me he was wrong by mentioning in a storm of a rant he mentioned the US has the best healthcare by saying the survival rate for Prostate cancer is 600% higher in America then in Britain. I looked it up and it was bullshit, but the Prostate survival rate was higher in America, however I then wondered why he singled out Prostate Cancer and not a general survival and mortality rate, so I looked it up with random disease mortality and survival rates, and it turns out that American healthcare is average, the best in some cases the worst in others but in the middle everywhere else. Sure maybe in some places its good, but not everyone gets it and it makes no sense why it would go away if was a single payer system.

His stupidity, of course, his entire show is dedicated to hating liberals, sure at times I agree with him but I can't watch it because the entirety of it consists of hating liberals.

You realised Glenn Beck is shit. Congratulations!

Now, the next important step is to realise that this shitiness is not a reflection upon libertarianism/capitalism/limited government, or whatever else Mr. Beck claims to support.

At 8/9/10 06:04 AM, chairmankem wrote:

At 8/7/10 01:17 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:
Well our unemployment rate is now holding steady at 9.5% which is HIGHER than it was during even the worst of the Bush years.

We were in the middle of an economic boom during the Bush years before the economy collapsed... at the end of his term.

And the point is? This does nothing to disprove my earlier statement, that unemployment has gotten worse sense the democrats took over.

Now look at companies they chose to bail out with that money.

Not Obama's fault.

How is that not Obama's fault? He chose to bail out AIG and they gave themselves raises. He chose to bailout GM to the point that it is roughly 60 or 70 percent owned by tax dollars and they are using it to grease politicians and create jobs IN MEXICO. This is the kind of thing Obama is doing with our tax dollars. Is this why we are going deeper into debt?

And don't even get me started on our trade deficits.

Not Obama's fault. Our massive trade deficit was present, and even expanded, during the Bush years.

I'm aware of that. What I am saying is, Obama is yet another in a long series of presidents who have yet to address this problem. In fairness, I should have been more clear about that.

Then you have to consider all the tax increases

What tax increases? You mean like letting the Bush tax cuts expire as they were supposed to? OH NO!

No, I'm talking about the raised taxes Obama is initiating. Since you are clearly a liberal, I went to sources like ABC to provide you the evidence.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory ?id=9718923

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/04/14/
obama-tax-increases-and-debt-reduction-h ow-gop-can-avoid-polit/

If you raise taxes on the middle class, people will be even more restrictive with their budget and will spend even less, thus hurting the market. If you raise taxes on corporations, they will respond by hiring fewer people and laying off workers, increasing unemployment and making the job market even worse than it already is. Raising taxes is a TERRIBLE idea, and the fact is, Obama is doing exactly that.

So you're worried about a massive debt to finance and a gigantic deficit to fill up. Instead of blaming the guy who increased it massively to pay for two strategic failures of wars and tax cuts for the rich who now own most of the potentially taxable wealth in this country partly thanks to said policies, you blame the person who you think might be trying to remedy this financial problem by raising taxes?

Actually, I blame both. Bush was a shitstain on the reputation of the Republican party. However, Obama is spending money like Bush on crack. Also, I think it is pretty much indisputable that raising taxes is only going to make matters worse on all fronts.

And conservatives are crazy for being pissed off at all this crap?

Not. Obama's. Fault.

Yes it is. Actually, Bush made an existing problem worse and Obama is making it even worse. It took Bush 8 years to raise our debt that much and at this rate, assuming Obama gets reelected, he will surpass Bush's spending quantity.

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: You realised Glenn Beck is shit. Congratulations!

Now, the next important step is to realise that this shitiness is not a reflection upon libertarianism/capitalism/limited government, or whatever else Mr. Beck claims to support.

Glenn Beck is not shit, he is just the recipient of garbage out-of-context attacks and crap from the liberals because they are afraid of his influence. In reality, he backs up his arguments with evidence and possesses common sense (which is becoming less and less common).

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: You realised Glenn Beck is shit. Congratulations!

Now, the next important step is to realise that this shitiness is not a reflection upon libertarianism/capitalism/limited government, or whatever else Mr. Beck claims to support.

Glenn Beck is not shit, he is just the recipient of garbage out-of-context attacks

How's this out of context?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYq lk

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: and crap from the liberals because they are afraid of his influence.

Yes, because he's a moron with huge influence and will influence the polls to elect an even worse leader.

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: In reality, he backs up his arguments with evidence and possesses common sense (which is becoming less and less common).

According to him, Obama is a Communist, racist and Muslim. That sounds pretty retarded to me.

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: Glenn Beck is not shit,

He is.

He claims to be for limited government, and yet champions Sarah palin more than anyone else, and yet she is a big government neo-con hack.

Take someone like Ron Paul for example, who ACTUALLY supports limited government. If Glenn really does believe what he says he should be president of his fan-club, right? Nah....

Back when Ron Paul was running for President, Ron Paul raised a record $4.3 million in a single day "money bomb" all from grassroots supporters. Rather than praising Ron Paul and his supporters for their tremendous accomplishment, Glenn Beck questioned the use of the word "bomb" in "money bomb" and said that Americans who were supporting the "Ron Paul Revolution" were taking the word "revolution" way too seriously. Glenn Beck even said that he feared the U.S. military would one day need to be used domestically against Ron Paul donors.

On one occasion, Glenn Beck had Ron Paul on as a guest during his Presidential campaign. Instead of highlighting how Ron Paul was the only candidate running for President who has a perfect voting record for protecting the U.S. constitution and reducing government spending, Glenn Beck did everything he possibly could to sabotage Ron Paul's campaign. Glenn Beck asked Ron Paul bizarre questions on the air including "No plane hit the Pentagon on September 11th instead it was a missile fired by elements from inside the American state apparatus, yes or no?" and "Were the planes that hit the World Trade Towers remotely controlled, yes or no?". Glenn Beck unfairly smeared Ron Paul and his supporters as terrorist sympathizers.

Fuck Glenn beck.

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, Warforger wrote: According to him, Obama is a Communist

I mean this is a pretty reasonable claim when you consider the fact that Obama explicitly stated that he believes the federal government should engage is widespread redistribution of wealth (and not just taxation, mind you).

And come on, he openly admits to being influenced by Saul Alinsky, an avowed communist whose tactics involved appearing moderate in order to further a radical agenda.

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

Glenn Beck is not shit, he is just the recipient of garbage out-of-context attacks and crap from the liberals because they are afraid of his influence.

Afraid? If you knew what his influence really WAS and IS, you'd be "afraid" too.

In reality, he backs up his arguments with evidence and possesses common sense (which is becoming less and less common).

He is also fond of making astounding leaps in logic and logical fallacies, that "evidence," to gain support for his claims. I believe it was last Thursday or so that he made the correlation between cities under Democrat rule and the cities being shitholes, with almost NO other evidence than "they're all run by Democrats." He made little or no mention at all of other, more important variables that caused the cities to be in their current state; if he did when I wasn't watching, then I apologize because at that point I wanted to throw my fucking T.V. out of the window, but realized it would cost too much to replace, so I changed the channel.

At 8/12/10 09:28 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, Warforger wrote: According to him, Obama is a Communist

I mean this is a pretty reasonable claim when you consider the fact that Obama explicitly stated that he believes the federal government should engage is widespread redistribution of wealth (and not just taxation, mind you).

And come on, he openly admits to being influenced by Saul Alinsky, an avowed communist whose tactics involved appearing moderate in order to further a radical agenda.

Influenced by, but his policies are far from Communist. He has made no effort to do away with private property, he has done no effort into nationalizing industries etc.

Glenn beck says a couple of things that are factually accurate, but does so in a manner that is overly melodramatic. He's also done a few surprisingly

It's hard to tell if he actually believes what he says though. If he does, it obviously what he can get away with saying is hedged somewhat by the interests that he ultimately has to bow down to, fox news. If he doesn't, and I'm leaning towards this, we'll find out come the November midterm elections, and if not, in 2012.

He kind of reminds me of a clownish version of Noam Chompsky, an individual with partial intellectual merit [compared to his contemporaries] and then holds views that seem contradictory to the individual's philosophy.

At 8/12/10 09:41 PM, Warforger wrote: Influenced by, but his policies are far from Communist.

He's progressive.

Explicitly communist policies now would be completely against the alinsky way of making progress.

He has made no effort to do away with private property, he has done no effort into nationalizing industries etc.

Cough cough GM, health insurance cough cough

At 8/12/10 10:03 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 8/12/10 09:41 PM, Warforger wrote: Influenced by, but his policies are far from Communist.

He's progressive.

Explicitly communist policies now would be completely against the alinsky way of making progress.

Whats strange is that people like the G20 and other Europeans think he's too Conservative.

He has made no effort to do away with private property, he has done no effort into nationalizing industries etc.

Cough cough GM, health insurance cough cough

GM? You mean like what Theodore Roosevelt did with that one mining company? Health Insurance? Sure, but even then I personally think that health insurance is something that is NOT a step above wiping someone's ass, simply: our health system is bad, Glenn Beck was talking about how bad it was before a Democrat was elected and for him to go on the aggressive, our mortality rates: AVERAGE, our spending: TERRIBLE it makes Greece look Conservative. Its in need of change, and a look at other countries with better quality healthcare, it seems we need to take a page of their book.

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Y

According to him, Obama is a Communist, racist and Muslim. That sounds pretty retarded to me.

Not really. If you knew the definition of a communist and were aware of Obama's "redistribute the wealth" plans, you would know that the above is all essentially true.

At 8/13/10 01:45 AM, studmuffin7 wrote: Not really. If you knew the definition of a communist and were aware of Obama's "redistribute the wealth" plans, you would know that the above is all essentially true.

That's more socialist than communist. People please learn your terms before you shout out the bullshit TV tells you to.

At 8/13/10 10:19 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 8/13/10 01:45 AM, studmuffin7 wrote: Not really. If you knew the definition of a communist and were aware of Obama's "redistribute the wealth" plans, you would know that the above is all essentially true.

That's more socialist than communist. People please learn your terms before you shout out the bullshit TV tells you to.

Communism and socialism defined how?

You might be right if you define communism as; a stateless classless society based on common ownership of the means of production

And if you defined socialism as; State ownership of the means of production

At 8/13/10 11:00 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Communism and socialism defined how?

You might be right if you define communism as; a stateless classless society based on common ownership of the means of production

And if you defined socialism as; State ownership of the means of production

Communism is an economic gevernance and socialism is a domestic governance.

Communism is the owning of all industry by the government. Socialism is an extremely high amount of services meant to balance the quality of life from top to bottom. If anything Obama is much more socialist than communist.

And FYI Communism and socialism are NOT always tied together. See Scandanavia. Those countries are definitely socialist, but are also quite attached to the free market and are definitely capitalist.

At 8/13/10 01:45 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Y

According to him, Obama is a Communist, racist and Muslim. That sounds pretty retarded to me.

Not really. If you knew the definition of a communist and were aware of Obama's "redistribute the wealth" plans, you would know that the above is all essentially true.

Since other users have debunked your definitions of Socialism/Communism, tell me how the hell is Obama a Racist and Muslim.

This *holds back tears* is America! And I love my country *cries*

^^^ The entire show

At 8/13/10 11:44 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/13/10 01:45 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 09:14 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/12/10 01:20 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 8/12/10 08:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Y

According to him, Obama is a Communist, racist and Muslim. That sounds pretty retarded to me.

Not really. If you knew the definition of a communist and were aware of Obama's "redistribute the wealth" plans, you would know that the above is all essentially true.

Since other users have debunked your definitions of Socialism/Communism, tell me how the hell is Obama a Racist and Muslim.

Nobody has debunked the definition of communism or socialism, they have simply revealed their ignorance of the facts. I won't even bother to dignify their comments with a response. Obama is racist against white people as evidenced by his desire to "redistribute the wealth" away from white people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO3 5A

Republicans saw this coming as far back as Reverend Wright, but the populous ignored it and voted for him.

And it is a pretty well accepted fact that he is muslim, not even Obama denies that.

At 8/13/10 11:50 AM, studmuffin7 wrote: Nobody has debunked the definition of communism or socialism, they have simply revealed their ignorance of the facts. I won't even bother to dignify their comments with a response. Obama is racist against white people as evidenced by his desire to "redistribute the wealth" away from white people.

Ah yes. The "I do no thave a response so I'm not going to try and just say I won" argument.

And it is a pretty well accepted fact that he is muslim, not even Obama denies that.

Obama is as Muslim as you are Hindu.

At 8/13/10 11:50 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

Obama is racist against white people as evidenced by his desire to "redistribute the wealth" away from white people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO3 5A

First off, the entire video is filled with taking snippets out of context. The first comment on this page is a pretty good indicator of what it does.

Second of all, it's not what Obama personally believes, or else the book would be named something akin to "Dreams of my Father: My Philosophy" or something similar.

Third, Obama tells a story OF race and growing up in America during his childhood dealing with race. You mistake him being quite honest and blunt for personal character.

At 8/13/10 11:41 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

And FYI Communism and socialism are NOT always tied together. See Scandanavia. Those countries are definitely socialist, but are also quite attached to the free market and are definitely capitalist.

Heavy welfare states with the freedom to do with the portion of the resources the government doesn't seize from you is not the traditional definition of socialism.

At 8/11/10 02:35 PM, bobsaget4life wrote: Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously,

Took me 30 seconds to search.

At 8/13/10 02:53 PM, The-universe wrote:

At 8/11/10 02:35 PM, bobsaget4life wrote: Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously,

Took me 30 seconds to search.

Took me about the same amount of time to find Glenn's take on it.

At 8/11/10 03:24 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/11/10 02:35 PM, bobsaget4life wrote: lol.. i like how everyone who doesn't like Glenn Beck is saying they hate him because he crys, or he's a hypocrite! Or an idiot etc... yet.. there are no facts leading up to these beliefs... just emotion...
Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously, otherwise everyone here defending him and conservatives or anyone, should let it be, because they don't want to debate with you, they just want to trash Glenn Beck. Let them do it, it's not changing anyone elses opinion... Just saying.

Glenn Beck show consists of trashing Liberals.

But anyway. He criticized MSNBC for reporting a Lindsey Lohan story while earlier in the same episode he quoted People magazine, so either he isn't better or he scavenges for everything he can do to hate liberals.

He convinced me he was wrong by mentioning in a storm of a rant he mentioned the US has the best healthcare by saying the survival rate for Prostate cancer is 600% higher in America then in Britain. I looked it up and it was bullshit, but the Prostate survival rate was higher in America, however I then wondered why he singled out Prostate Cancer and not a general survival and mortality rate, so I looked it up with random disease mortality and survival rates, and it turns out that American healthcare is average, the best in some cases the worst in others but in the middle everywhere else. Sure maybe in some places its good, but not everyone gets it and it makes no sense why it would go away if was a single payer system.

His stupidity, of course, his entire show is dedicated to hating liberals, sure at times I agree with him but I can't watch it because the entirety of it consists of hating liberals.

hahahhah wow one time? Numerous times does cnn and msnbc devote their time to hailing our king and trashing republicans.
>Oh if you mean trashing liberals by throwing out facts? Or trashing liberals by well.. exposing them for what they really? Also, I hope to God you know how sarcastic he is, and most of the things he says are sarcastic.
How is he stupid? He abuses the fact phone, he has his own opinion on things and has the freedom to say whatever he wants about Liberals. Things he says aren't nearly as bad as what i've heard Liberals call republicans. Is it all name calling? Or is this facts and explanations behind it? Do you watch his show for content? Or do you take everything at face value? If so, then I understand where you're coming from.

And healthcare, it's not a right, it's a luxury. If you can afford it, you get it..
Also, we used to have the best healthcare system.....

At 8/13/10 03:17 PM, sword-master1 wrote:

At 8/13/10 02:53 PM, The-universe wrote:

At 8/11/10 02:35 PM, bobsaget4life wrote: Show me a solid fact of him being a hypocrite then maybe anyone here can take what you're saying seriously,

Took me 30 seconds to search.

Took me about the same amount of time to find Glenn's take on it.

That doesn't address anything mentioned in the video I posted. He spends half the video talking about his "butt surgery" then spends the rest talking about (paraphrasing) "people who care about giving care".

He never even once mentions the blatant hypocrisy shown other than a brief discard for "universal or HMO".

Until he actually addresses the inconsistency, he's still a hypocrite.