Garageband songs on Newgrounds?

[zzGrr]

Are songs made in garageband really not allowed on newgrounds? I have searched "garageband" in the audio portal and found LOTS of songs obviously made in garageband. But I have tried uploading some of my garageband songs on 2 different accounts but was banned because they were made in garageband. One was made entirely in garageband out of garageband loops and another I had recorded my guitar on with some garageband loops but still got banned! So can we please get this strait? Can I upload songs made in Garageband or not?

(also keep in mind that garageband loops are NOT copyrighted or whatever are are allowed to be used by anyone anywhere on anything. Some famous musicians even use garageband loops in their songs!)

[Pseudofed]

You've been fighting this battle for days. I guess the real question is if your songs are sincerely legitimate, which of course, you have the answer to.

Perhaps there is a section of your song that is a little too reminiscent of a preset Garage Band loop. I'm not implying anything negative, just trying to help you consider what the problem is.

Hope it works out.

[Gravey]

Using any premade loops in Garageband is not allowed. Thus why you keep getting banned. Despite the fact you might have added some of your own original work with the loop it doesn't change the fact that Garageband loops are not allowed here.

[zzGrr]

of course they are legit. I wouldn't be making this big of a deal if I was uploading pre made loops! I wish the audio mods could understand that!

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 7/21/10 11:43 PM, zzGrr wrote:

:... One was made entirely in garageband out of garageband loops and another I had recorded my guitar on with some garageband loops...

... And you're wondering why you were banned because.... ?

The rules are the rules, NO PREMADE LOOPS ALLOWED. Read the rules before you submit first next time... and if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

[zzGrr]

they are not premade loops! Let me explain. Garageband has hundreds of very short loops for example a 5 sec. drum loop. To make a song you add all the different drum loops you want or all the sfx or synths or whatever it is that you want to add in. To make a song out of hungers of different 5 sec. loops, isnt easy and should be and is everywhere else considered music. And there are like I said LOTS of garageband songs on newgrounds which are obviously made only with the short loopss. So why is it that I cant get accepted but they can when im even using my own guitar in the songs! oh, and I looked at the rules. There is no rule saying I can't use garageband!

[zzGrr]

then why are there songs on here made on garageband out of the garageband loops?

[Phyrnna]

At 7/22/10 12:31 AM, zzGrr wrote: . To make a song out of hungers of different 5 sec. loops, isnt easy and should be and is everywhere else considered music.

That's called sampling, something Hip Hop does a lot. And trust me, the Hip Hop artists here get lots of burning for sampling because it's kinda against the rules and kinda not. It's all part of a huge ongoing debate about sampling in the music industry.

In any case, it's not wrong to sample or use samples (i.e. your premade loops). However to use samples indiscriminately so that they can be readily identified from the source material and such that it sounds like you took someone else's song and made it your own is not the way to go.

It's like taking a cookie cutter to someone's cake, and then reassembling the pieces and calling it your cake. Or in your case (with premade loops), taking a bunch of pieces of cookies and mashing them together and then calling it your cookie. Doesn't quite work that way. lol

[Mrmilkcarton]

Dear zzGrr,

You need to stop fighting a fight that is not worth fighting. I have garageband, and I also own Logic Pro. I know a majority of the loops and the synthesizer melody presets you used. You also used piano loops that are in Garageband/Logic.

You also stated... AND I QUOTE "I made this with garage band and fruity loops." I hope you understand that BOTH of these programs are for SEPARATE operating systems IE:Mac/Windows. Why in the world would you use two different DAWs that run on TWO DIFFERENT OS's?

SO PLEASE, don't fight us on the ban. Why is it so important for you to have garageband loops (EVEN WITH A GUITAR RECORDED IN THE BACKGROUND) on newgrounds? You will not be an instant success and you may even be shunned. The garageband loops that do get by us are human error and or possibly people working the system in their favor.

Have a good day,
Mrmilkcarton

[cdjproductions]

Dude, have you thought about NOT using GarageBand drumloops and instead possibly making your own drumloops or playing the drums yourself or have a friend play them?
(Note: It's probably not a good idea to use the GarageBand drumkits to make your loops, since they're used in most of the premade loops. I think.)

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 7/22/10 12:31 AM, zzGrr wrote: they are not premade loops! Let me explain. Garageband has hundreds of very short loops for example a 5 sec. drum loop. To make a song you add all the different drum loops you want or all the sfx or synths or whatever it is that you want to add in. To make a song out of hungers of different 5 sec. loops, isnt easy and should be and is everywhere else considered music. And there are like I said LOTS of garageband songs on newgrounds which are obviously made only with the short loopss. So why is it that I cant get accepted but they can when im even using my own guitar in the songs! oh, and I looked at the rules. There is no rule saying I can't use garageband!

5 second premade loops are still premade loops. And I know how garageband works, I used it extensively throughout highschool as part of the communications technology course I was taking, which basically dealt with all forms of media.

The bottom line is, premade loops are not welcome on this site, the site is for ORIGINAL Creations (Save covers/remakes that DO NOT include any samples from the original song). Stop fighting it, it doesn't matter what garageband tells you. Newgrounds has it's own rules, and in those rules, it specifically says there are to be no premade loops on the Audio Portal.

[Fireball543]

Doesn't the rules say that no copyrighted loops from existing songs are allowed garageband loops areren't
copyrighted you are allowed to put them together and mix them around people use garageband loops in podcasts , in their songs they should be allowed in the audio portal as they are as just your own music as anything else if you put the time in to make a good song using them.

[Fireball543]

also many songs in the portal are made using garageband

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Edd a well known flash animator using garageband to make a song so how is that illegal or against the rules? There are a lot of songs made using garageband in the audio portal that I've seen but thay can all be called original music as they took the time to put the loops together remember not everybody who wants to contribute to the audio portal has all the equipment required to do techno or rock or anything because it requires keyboards, guitars, recording stuff so garageband lets you make your own at least slightly original music.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

Slapping a bunch of premade loops together does not equal original music. And the people that are getting away with uploading songs made out of premade loops simply haven't been reported yet. Just because people do it, doesn't mean they aren't breaking the rules.

As I said before, the rules are the rules, songs made entirely from premade loops are not allowed on the portal, stop trying to fight it.

[zzGrr]

thankyou finally someone agrees!

[zzGrr]

yes, but the songs i was uploading on this account were not made entirely by remade loops. The only loops from garageband were drums and bass, and i played the guitar. But still go banned. Again.

[zzGrr]

why cant it work that way? if i buy all the cookies cut them up myself and put all the work into making the cookie, the cookie is mine. Therefor if I take loops from a program made for doing so and making a song out of them the song is mine.

[Phyrnna]

At 7/22/10 02:35 PM, zzGrr wrote: if i buy all the cookies cut them up myself and put all the work into making the cookie, the cookie is mine.

And that's how the cookie crumbles! :D

just had to. :p

[Gravey]

At 7/22/10 02:45 PM, HalcyonicFalconX wrote:
And that's how the cookie crumbles! :D

And Boom Goes The Dymamite!!!

[Breed]

Garageband loops are public domain, and even the obvious things thrown together with their pre-made loops are still technically "Original work," however newgrounds would be overrun with these submissions if people of that level of production were allowed in. It's an extra filtering system so that people don't have to work their way through a mindlessly long list of songs to find even one song that's actually worth a minute to listen to (Which even with that extra filter, it still is basically).

@theOP:

You were filtered out because your music did exactly that, it used the same loops that thousands apon thousands of other songs use, and if you want your music to grow, then you need to grow yourself first. Study into what you are doing a little. Build your OWN sample base, and make your own loops, don't rely on what someone else has put together for you. You will find that you can simulate any instrument electronically, so don't think this means going out an buying a bunch of stuff either, it just means learn the business before trying to jump into it.

In the mean time, there are plenty of other websites that would be glad to host your generic loop stuff.

Soundcloud
bandcamp
reverbnation
last.fm
etc

Newgrounds doesn't have to exist, somebody made it, and its free, so stop complaining.

[Mrmilkcarton]

Are you completely ignoring me? You are banned that can't be reversed. We don't ban just garageband loops we ban, Mixcraft, Magix music maker, and any other obvious loop being used. This is not a case of legality. Of course though it could be, because many garageband loops have been used in commercial products.

Once again, why is it so important for your music to be on newgrounds when there are multiple other sites that will take your "music" no questions asked?

[Gravey]

At 7/22/10 03:38 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote: Are you completely ignoring me?

Wait, so why is he banned again?

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[SymbolCymbal]

i was the first audio mod to ban you on your other account.
i own garage band and logic studios and you had blatantly used loops.
These are the rules that newgrounds has. Dont like them? then dont post audio.
And stop PMing me with lines like "are you fucking kidding me??? do you know anything about garage band?"
i sent you an email telling you why you were banned as a courtesy to you so you would know why you were banned so you wouldnt do it again. BUT you did it again.

as i said before if you dont like newgrounds rules for uploading audio then dont upload.

[Zooloo75]

Oh man! I guess it's so hard to be creative!

If it really is hard for you just to put 5 second premade loops together, then music production isn't your thing...

[buyj3llo]

At 7/22/10 07:16 AM, Fireball543 wrote: also many songs in the portal are made using garageband
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[Envy]

At 7/22/10 07:16 AM, Fireball543 wrote: they took the time to put the loops together remember not everybody who wants to contribute to the audio portal has all the equipment required to do techno or rock or anything because it requires keyboards, guitars, recording stuff so garageband lets you make your own at least slightly original music.

Well I just decided I want to contribute to TV, but I don't have any film making equipment, so I'm just gonna take clips of tv shows and movies and paste them together and call it my own show.... Or rather my own "slightly original" show.

Bottom line is, no matter who has gotten through in the past. You WILL BE BANNED if you use the pre-made loops from garage band. Don't whine about who gets to use it and who doesn't. If they were to restart a new account using it they'd be banned too. Remember, there are more audio mods now, so before when there were only a few going through hundreds of songs a day can wear on you.

[firemaker60]

Hey, I was once like you, stringing together loops in Garageband to make "songs" that my friends and I liked, and even used in some school projects. They sounded good but there was always that looming feeling that I could do better than that.

But, you know what I found? You see that scissor-looking button near the bottom of the Garageband window? Yeah, go ahead and click on that, and you get the Track/MIDI Editor, which is the complete gateway to authentic creation. What I suggest for you is to start using the GarageBand software instruments, and mess around in the Track Editor, so that you make loops of your own. Pretty soon, you'll be able to string together and compose original songs of your own, like I have (just check my sig, those were both made with Garageband and Logic Pro).

GB comes with many different instruments for you to use as you like (synths, orchestral stuff, drum kits, etc.), and there are many other free ones available on the internet. Whenever you decide to try again, you could become a great artist here in the Portal...

[zzGrr]

At 7/23/10 05:09 PM, firemaker60 wrote: Hey, I was once like you, stringing together loops in Garageband to make "songs" that my friends and I liked, and even used in some school projects. They sounded good but there was always that looming feeling that I could do better than that.

But, you know what I found? You see that scissor-looking button near the bottom of the Garageband window? Yeah, go ahead and click on that, and you get the Track/MIDI Editor, which is the complete gateway to authentic creation. What I suggest for you is to start using the GarageBand software instruments, and mess around in the Track Editor, so that you make loops of your own. Pretty soon, you'll be able to string together and compose original songs of your own, like I have (just check my sig, those were both made with Garageband and Logic Pro).

GB comes with many different instruments for you to use as you like (synths, orchestral stuff, drum kits, etc.), and there are many other free ones available on the internet. Whenever you decide to try again, you could become a great artist here in the Portal...

the funny thing is is that I DID USE THAT! its the thing with the keyboard right? and u can play the piano with the letters on your keyboard? i did the piano with that. i recorded my guitar. the only loops i added were drums and bass! so u can use garageband but i can when im doing about the same thing as u? i guess ill just make a new account and try again.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 7/23/10 06:05 PM, zzGrr wrote:

At 7/23/10 05:09 PM, firemaker60 wrote: Hey, I was once like you, stringing together loops in Garageband to make "songs" that my friends and I liked, and even used in some school projects. They sounded good but there was always that looming feeling that I could do better than that.

But, you know what I found? You see that scissor-looking button near the bottom of the Garageband window? Yeah, go ahead and click on that, and you get the Track/MIDI Editor, which is the complete gateway to authentic creation. What I suggest for you is to start using the GarageBand software instruments, and mess around in the Track Editor, so that you make loops of your own. Pretty soon, you'll be able to string together and compose original songs of your own, like I have (just check my sig, those were both made with Garageband and Logic Pro).

GB comes with many different instruments for you to use as you like (synths, orchestral stuff, drum kits, etc.), and there are many other free ones available on the internet. Whenever you decide to try again, you could become a great artist here in the Portal...

the funny thing is is that I DID USE THAT! its the thing with the keyboard right? and u can play the piano with the letters on your keyboard? i did the piano with that. i recorded my guitar. the only loops i added were drums and bass! so u can use garageband but i can when im doing about the same thing as u? i guess ill just make a new account and try again.

Are you daft? The reason you were banned is because YOU USED PREMADE LOOPS FOR THE DRUMS AND BASS. No one cares if you did your own guitar and piano, you were still recording over something that you didn't make.

Do EVERYTHING yourself. NO PREMADE LOOPS (Zip, zilch, zero, nil, none). The premade loops should be non-existent.

If you make a new account and try uploading a 3rd time using premade loops, you'd be better off uploading somewhere else that doesn't have this rule. Because there is no "third time's a charm" here... if you upload again with premade loops... You'll be banned again, and you will undoubtedly come back here to bitch about it... Which we really don't want or need.

[KgZ]

zzGrr I agree with your argument that loops should be acceptable however it's the rules. You can't really win this one.