Official fatness thread

[poxpower]

This is the thread about the status of fat in our society and things relating to that. Post relevant thoughts/ articles / funny stories about fat people. Only together can we bring back overwhelming shame and self-doubt to those who are obese.

One for today:
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hear d/archives/2010/07/19/columbus-too-obese -for-ambulance-stretchers
Columbus too obese for ambulance stretchers

"The Columbus Division of Fire has armed up over the last couple of years with stretchers that can haul around patients who weight up to 650 pounds - only that's not good enough. No, it appears the city is now considering purchasing high-dollar stretchers that can support even heavier loads, up to 1,000 pounds. Why? Well, according to the Dispatch, about twice a month paramedics have to move patients who are too heavy for the existing equipment"

They're looking to spend probably $250 000+ on new stretchers to roll the fatties to the hospital. There's lineups at the food banks and the city now has to consider spending over a quarter of a million bucks to save human whales whose bacon, once harvested, could feed a family of 4 for a month. That's right, taxpayers have to foot the bill for them. The obvious solution would be to make them pay extra for the ride. In fact there might be money in this, making ambulance rides cost a set amount per pound.
This would have the added benefit of promoting midget injuries, which are TOTALLY HILARIOUS. They COULDN'T afford NOT to get hurt ( and tape it ) at that price!

What something that doesn't fit into a 650 pound stretcher may look like:

[vannila-guerilla]

I understand that for the most part obesity isn't a thing that people are usually born with, and it is controllable, but does this deserve an "official" topic?

Anyways, I agree these people need help but the idea they deserve some special treatment and it treated as a disease is just stupid. I won't make fun of them but I will say I agree with Anne Coulter on this(and probably this only) that it shouldn't be considered discrimination if it's something someone can help. It's not like you're making fun of their age, sex, or race.

[poxpower]

At 7/19/10 01:26 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: but does this deserve an "official" topic?

Obesity is the number 1 health risk in first world countries.

It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

[vannila-guerilla]

At 7/19/10 01:37 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/19/10 01:26 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: but does this deserve an "official" topic?

Obesity is the number 1 health risk in first world countries.

It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

Well, I can't argue with the facts. But are you sure it's the number 1 risk? Not all first world countries have obesity problems, just the UK and US I believe. Canada seems to be just fine and so does Australia, France, Germany, and Italy.

[Drakim]

One issue I see is that there actually exists rare conditions which make you fat very easily (sucks to be youuuu). Should these people also be treated as slackers and pay extra?

[Scarface]

At 7/19/10 01:45 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Well, I can't argue with the facts. But are you sure it's the number 1 risk? Not all first world countries have obesity problems, just the UK and US I believe. Canada seems to be just fine and so does Australia, France, Germany, and Italy.

Scotland isn't exactly a health market. Some have said their diet is worse than America's. Besides, since the problem is mostly in the USA and UK, and most users on NG are FROM the USA and UK, why not make a thread about it?

[poxpower]

At 7/19/10 01:45 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Not all first world countries have obesity problems

Well it depends what you consider a "problem" % of obesity.
But you can be the judge: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_ob e-health-obesity

Consider this data is from 2003, 7 years behind and the rate is increasing very fast often doubling or tripling in many areas since the 80s.

Apparently there's over 1 billion overweight people and 340 million obese.

Granted their standards for "overweight" and "obese" seem low to most people, they still carry increased health risks.

Here's a handy chart I made so you get an idea:

[vannila-guerilla]

At 7/19/10 03:06 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/19/10 01:45 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Not all first world countries have obesity problems

Well it depends what you consider a "problem" % of obesity.
But you can be the judge: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_ob e-health-obesity

Consider this data is from 2003, 7 years behind and the rate is increasing very fast often doubling or tripling in many areas since the 80s.

Apparently there's over 1 billion overweight people and 340 million obese.

Granted their standards for "overweight" and "obese" seem low to most people, they still carry increased health risks.

Here's a handy chart I made so you get an idea:

Great chart! But what you said doesn't prove that it leads to health risks.

No, I'm not a fat guy who's ashamed and battling you. The guy in my profile on here really is me. I am that big still. I just read studies that say so many different things. I even read one that said that overweight people live longer than "normal" people.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/19/10 03:06 PM, poxpower wrote: Here's a handy chart I made so you get an idea:

i guess where the weight is distributed doesn't factor into the overweight classification.

[Scarface]

At 7/19/10 03:06 PM, poxpower wrote: Here's a handy chart I made so you get an idea:

Is it weird that I find overweight (not obese, just overweight) women hot?

[poxpower]

At 7/19/10 03:17 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:

But what you said doesn't prove that it leads to health risks.

An excess of weight is pretty strongly correlated with a plethora of diseases and health risks. There's no real benefit in having 30 extra pounds of fat.

I even read one that said that overweight people live longer than "normal" people.

Yeah I remember that too and it dealt with SLIGHTLY overweight people as compared to their "thin" counterparts. I'd have to find the article again to scrutinize it some more. As far as I know it could just be a bad study and it certainly doesn't reflect the norm. Or perhaps it dealt with old people where an increase of weight is normal and a lower weight is a sign of weakness / disease. Who knows.

Currently, there's no data that says if you're active and eat well, 10 pounds of extra fat just makes it all sweeter.

At 7/19/10 03:42 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

i guess where the weight is distributed doesn't factor into the overweight classification.

Nope

At 7/19/10 04:13 PM, Scarface wrote:

Is it weird that I find overweight (not obese, just overweight) women hot?

Depends how airbrushed their pictures are.

[Scarface]

At 7/19/10 04:46 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/19/10 04:13 PM, Scarface wrote:

Is it weird that I find overweight (not obese, just overweight) women hot?

Depends how airbrushed their pictures are.

For example, I found the girl in the picture labled overweight to be pretty hot. Moreso than any of the other girls.

[Ravariel]

At 7/19/10 04:48 PM, Scarface wrote:

Is it weird that I find overweight (not obese, just overweight) women hot?

Depends how airbrushed their pictures are.

For example, I found the girl in the picture labled overweight to be pretty hot. Moreso than any of the other girls.

While not actually unattractive, if you found her hotter than Elisha Cuthbert then yes, there is something wrong with you ;-P

[Sajberhippien]

Actually, I thought both the underweight and the overweight were hotter than the "hot" girl. Skinny is hot in that perverted, dirty, humiliating way. The overweight one isn't hot to look at, but damn are they nice to actually have in bed. A lot of soft tissue, so to speak. That said, I'd hit any of the lower three.

[Patton3]

At 7/19/10 04:48 PM, Scarface wrote:
For example, I found the girl in the picture labled overweight to be pretty hot. Moreso than any of the other girls.

To your defense, the overweight girl is pretty obviously in a professional photo shoot. What with professionally set up lighting, air brushing, etc. that picture is a lot better than what she would look like if you just snapped a Polaroid.
And the big girl isn't too shabby, one must admit. Not the obese one, the over weight one.

[Scarface]

At 7/19/10 05:22 PM, Patton3 wrote: To your defense, the overweight girl is pretty obviously in a professional photo shoot. What with professionally set up lighting, air brushing, etc. that picture is a lot better than what she would look like if you just snapped a Polaroid.

Yeah, that's true. Maybe I'm just a chubby-chaser like Clinton was.

[adrshepard]

At 7/19/10 05:15 PM, Sajberhippien wrote: Actually, I thought both the underweight and the overweight were hotter than the "hot" girl.

Agree with you with the "overweight" woman, but so much of that depends on her face. However, she does have a comparatively small stomach compared to her hips, which is always hot.

Be careful who's around when you say you like the underweight girl. Chris Hansen may be watching.

[Proteas]

At 7/19/10 01:37 PM, poxpower wrote: Obesity is the number 1 health risk in first world countries.

And the last time we had a front page full of topics about Obesity was when...?

It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

Ah, the truth reveals itself.

At 7/19/10 04:46 PM, poxpower wrote: An excess of weight is pretty strongly correlated with a plethora of diseases and health risks. There's no real benefit in having 30 extra pounds of fat.

And here's where I start having fun with you, pox, because your data from Nationmaster does not differentiate between people who are unhealthy/fat and health/muscular. Pro Athelete Brock Lesnar has a calculated Body Mass Index of 33.1, former Olympic Athelete Kurt Angle currently has a bmi of 32.5 (his competing weight as an Olympian was 220, or a 29.8 on the bmi chart), and on and on... I could sight more, but I'm sure you could just as easily go to your local gym or health club and see similarly built individuals pumping iron. Hell, I work with several people like this. The point is; these individuals, despite their health and fitness, are considered obese by the BMI chart numbers and purportedly at the same "risk" of diseases often associated with being morbidly obese. So the numbers are skewed right off the bat.

Secondly, there was a blip on the news about a new phenomenon; Skinny Fat (original Wallstreet Journal article here). Long story short; you can have a bmi that is considered healthy, but still be fat and at risk for fat people's diseases. There goes the rest of your statistics.

So your basic premise is right; obesity is a problem, you just have no clue how much of a problem it really is.

[Warforger]

Well, the fattest person in the world lives in Mexico and had to get trucked to his wedding. He can't even walk. I find it amazing he even got married considering he can't make love due to immobility AND his probably super erectile dysfunction.

[Proteas]

At 7/19/10 08:11 PM, Warforger wrote: Well, the fattest person in the world lives in Mexico and had to get trucked to his wedding. He can't even walk. I find it amazing he even got married considering he can't make love due to immobility AND his probably super erectile dysfunction.

Manuel Uribe set the record at 1,320 pounds, but no longer holds that record. He's been following a strict diet and is currently down to 790, with a goal of 120. He'll be boinking his wife before long.

[poxpower]

At 7/19/10 08:06 PM, Proteas wrote:

does not differentiate between people who are unhealthy/fat and health/muscular.

The overwhelming majority of overweight people are just fat.

But yes, BMI is a bad standard, they should use body fat% instead but most people don't know how to do that and it's easier to misreport.

So your basic premise is right; obesity is a problem, you just have no clue how much of a problem it really is.

I'm guessing it's about the number 1 health problem in the USA.
Something like that. Health officials seem to agree with me, but what do they know about health?

At 7/19/10 08:11 PM, Warforger wrote: AND his probably super erectile dysfunction.

once he get thinner though his cock will be so impossibly strong from poking its head from under 150 pounds of fupa.

[Ravariel]

At 7/19/10 09:02 PM, poxpower wrote: once he get thinner though his cock will be so impossibly strong from poking its head from under 150 pounds of fupa.

lmfao. If I had room to sig that I would.

There are a couple of interesting ironies about the obesity epidemic. The first is that we in the west are evolving to retain a larger amount of Brown Fat that burns calories from other fatty tissue, effectively making us thinner.

The second, while not necessarily ironic, is that gastric bypass surgery cures type 2 diabetes. The FDA for some reason won't approve the surgery for that purpose... go figure.

[SevenSeize]

At 7/19/10 03:06 PM, poxpower wrote:

Here's a handy chart I made so you get an idea:

I updated your chart as it was missing a category I feel we should encourage more young women to strive for.

As you can clearly see, none of the other categories have leather armor or weaponry superior to that of the Xena category.

[Proteas]

At 7/19/10 09:02 PM, poxpower wrote: The overwhelming majority of overweight people are just fat.

Yes, but how fat? Based on what I've presented, not all people who are overweight are going to be the piles of redundant flesh you intended to rip on with this topic. In fact, if you take the CDC at their word, 2/3rds of Americans are "Obese" or "Overweight, but that statistic only applies to people who are in the BMI range of less than 35. People with a BMI Score of 40+ (i.e.; the REALLY big people) account for less than 5.7% of the population, making them the minority.

So in reality, the majority of overweight people are just a bit thick, not fat.

[Korriken]

your chart only goes to obese. you're overlooking Morbidly Obese, Oprah during the full fat phase of her ass, and then you got Rosie O'Donnell (why is she even famous? someone clue me in because i dont have a fucking CLUE!

and since we're all having fun here, I thought I would throw this in.

Mufasa: A king's time as ruler rises and falls like Oprah's weight. One day, Simba, Oprah's weight will fall on my time here, and will rise with you as the new king.

[poxpower]

At 7/19/10 10:37 PM, Ravariel wrote: The FDA for some reason won't approve the surgery for that purpose... go figure.

And as I understand it, gastric bypass surgery does have some risk, is expensive and is not necessary when a lifestyle change can do just as well.

Isn't there some kind of "avoid surgery if possible" philosophy in the medical world?

At 7/19/10 10:46 PM, Proteas wrote:

Yes, but how fat?

Not as fat as what people think of as "obese".
Most obese people would probably not say they're obese, they'd just consider themselves "fat" but they still have 40-50 extra pounds on them and could lose 60-70 and still be perfectly healthy.

So in reality, the majority of overweight people are just a bit thick, not fat.

Well what we're interested in isn't what people think is "too fat", it's what health risks are associated with being overweight and how much weight is "over"weight.

Your risk of things like heart disease, some cancers and type 2 diabetes starts climbing as soon as you're out of that "normal BMI" range ( and even before ) and continue to do so for every pound of fat you put on.

It's important to realize that the CAUSES of being overweight are as much responsible ( if not more ) for the health dangers as being overweight itself is. You become overweight typically by not moving, which is very bad for your heart and health in general and by eating excess calories (typically in the form of fat, sugar and salty things), which really doesn't help you either. The fat itself puts a strain on your entire body but WHY you're fat is also why you're unhealthy.

So yes, some fat people do manage to eat well and move around enough to be in better health than a thinner person as you can not move and eat just crap and still be skinny because you don't eat enough.
But that's the exception just like those people who die at 95 and smoked a pack of cigarettes every day and ate bacon ice cream at every meal.

[Pixonimateo]

At 7/19/10 01:37 PM, poxpower wrote: It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

hey shut up obesity is a disease and is nothing to make light of.

[Warforger]

At 7/20/10 12:24 AM, Pixonimateo wrote:

At 7/19/10 01:37 PM, poxpower wrote: It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

hey shut up obesity is a disease and is nothing to make light of.

Coming from the guy who makes fun of Africa in his sig. You must be obese too to be defending it.

[Light]

At 7/20/10 12:24 AM, Pixonimateo wrote:

At 7/19/10 01:37 PM, poxpower wrote: It is also the easiest one to make fun of. Win-win

hey shut up obesity is a disease and is nothing to make light of.

A very preventable disease in most cases. So we DO have the right to make fun of fatties because they made the wrong choices in life, lol.

[RubberTrucky]

So, can anyone fill me in what we're suppose to discuss. This being politics and all, it's rather inappropriate to picture spam while trolling on fat people...

Do I feel fat people need a racial status to be defended against comments? No
Is being too fat unhealthy? yes
Can something be done to prevent obesity in a person? Yes, but I am still willing to say that some people have it far easier than others.

Should we actively discriminate against fat people? No, not even because it forces them to get slimmer.

As long as a fat person can function in society it is their own way they should be able to take. We don't need other people hating on them and refusing them services if their obesity won't pose any actual problem.