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If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 2nd, 2010 @ 03:41 PM Reply

Would the world be better? By this I mean if the Soviet Union didn't dissolve entirely in 1991 would places where it used to own be better? This isn't a debate over Communism or the Cold War, but more of the issues countries like Georgia and Moldova face with provinces seeking sovereignty. The latest issue was the South Ossestia War in 2008, two others in that list are Transnistria and Abkhazia these three often join together and join organizations for democracy and not-recognized sovereign nations. One of the more interesting cases is Abkhazia, during the Soviet Union it was a autonomous province of Georgia SSR, when the Soviet Union was starting to look like it was going to dissolve Abkhazians pushed for sovereignty as an independent Georgia would mean they lose Autonomy.

While Russia in itself isn't much better then Georgia, they at least were probably the closest to a "liberator" in the South Ossestian war, I'd love to see how North Ossestia will work though since its a province in Russia.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 2nd, 2010 @ 04:03 PM Reply

highly doubt it would live due to the world reccession anyways.

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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 3rd, 2010 @ 12:46 PM Reply

At 7/2/10 04:03 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: highly doubt it would live due to the world reccession anyways.

The Soviet Union would be less affected by the global recession due to their closed economy which would reduce the impact of the global recession on their economy. The Pax Americana from 1992 would have also not happened because the balance of power kept American aggression in check and prevented them from making the actions they've made now.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 3rd, 2010 @ 07:44 PM Reply

I would think that the internet as we know it would have been delayed in it's coming out since the fear would have been that the Russian communists could use it as a weapon or an instrument of espionage would have still been prevalent. Many Americans didn't ease up on their Cold War fears until it was obvious that the U.S.S.R. was dead and wasn't coming back.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 4th, 2010 @ 10:15 AM Reply

It is difficult to say. I think that the most important events of today are terrorism and the September 11th attacks. Would they have happened if the Cold War had not ended? In the 1970's, we actually funded the war in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, so maybe the Middle Eastern countries would view us more as an ally. If it had happened anyway, maybe the Soviet Union and the USA could have teamed up against terrorism or the Soviet Union would be blamed and it could escalate into something worse.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 9th, 2010 @ 09:10 PM Reply

Anyone here ever play world in conflict? Because that seems as viable an outcome of the USSR's continued survival as any.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 9th, 2010 @ 09:55 PM Reply

At 7/2/10 03:41 PM, Warforger wrote:
While Russia in itself isn't much better then Georgia, they at least were probably the closest to a "liberator" in the South Ossestian war, I'd love to see how North Ossestia will work though since its a province in Russia.

Sounds like a simmilar thing to chechnya. What would happen then? Even more i wonder if they had any secret projects that were lost in the transfer from Communism and federalism


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 9th, 2010 @ 10:36 PM Reply

I probably imagine that the Soviet Union if it existed today, would be a borderline 3rd world country, because of the fact that their influence would have died out, and their fear factor would have greatly dimished over time, due to them leaving Afghanistan in a rather embrassing fashion.

The Soviets would be about as isolated as North Korea is today, considering the E.U. and the UN are not that close to Russia in general, which in turn basically would've turn them into a place where it becomes the land equalivent to international waters, where anything goes. Also, Germany, and all of Europe for that matter, would still be divided and would never form the E.U.


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Response to If Soviet Union lived after 1991 Jul. 10th, 2010 @ 01:56 PM Reply

Ok guys, The Cold War wasn't over when the Soviet Union fell, it was over when the Union opened up and stopped being hostile and democratic again.


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