Hitler's appeasement in before WWII

[GoneWithTheSin]

"Some have argued that strong actions by England and France in the mid 1930s would have prevented world war II and appeasement merely wetted Hitler's attitude. "

Just wondering...

How accurate is this statement?

[mrpopenfresh]

At 3/24/04 04:35 PM, GoneWithTheSin wrote: "Some have argued that strong actions by England and France in the mid 1930s would have prevented world war II and appeasement merely wetted Hitler's attitude. "

First off, where did you get this quote?

[WitheringNihil]

At 3/24/04 04:35 PM, GoneWithTheSin wrote: "Some have argued that strong actions by England and France in the mid 1930s would have prevented world war II and appeasement merely wetted Hitler's attitude. "

Yes some have, it is one of the most debatable subjects in history,
If the allies had stopped hitler and confronted him while germany was still relatively weak, such as in the mid 30's, hitler might never have been able to or have dared to invade a country such as poland, however that is a big "if".
However if you look at the other side of the argument there is the fact that britain needed germany to perform some outrageous act in the first place and prove dangerous overtime to get the already wavering and anti-war colinies on side. Also france and britain needed to build up their own forces and thus appeasement bought them time.
As said, the question of was appeasement the right policy and could hitler have been stopped early on with little or no bloodshed is one of the most vilontley contested debates in history.
Personally i believe Hitler could have been stopped earlier, but i believe that the allied leadership were justified in their stance on appeasement.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/04 05:18 PM, Falkowski wrote: Personally i believe Hitler could have been stopped earlier, but i believe that the allied leadership were justified in their stance on appeasement.

The best way to have stopped Hitler would have not to have imposed the Economic Ruin that they imposed upon Germany. The reparations wer made to destroy and cripple thr country. Extreme times breed extreme measures, and the lack of money and food led to a support for the extremists.

[RedSkunk]

Hindsight is 20/20.

Looking back, what war couldn't of been avoided?

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/04 05:31 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote: Hindsight is 20/20.

Looking back, what war couldn't of been avoided?

True, I suppose. Vietnam, maybe?

[mrpopenfresh]

At 3/24/04 05:31 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:
Looking back, what war couldn't of been avoided?

War on drugs was kind of dumb. War in Iraq had very bad reasons to go in there in the first place.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/24/04 05:58 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: War on drugs was kind of dumb. War in Iraq had very bad reasons to go in there in the first place.

Napolean should of stopped before Russia.

[BeFell]

The best way for England and France to stop Germany before the war would have been for them to impose the sactions listed in the Treaty of Versalles. Basically after WWI Germany was not supposed to have a military nor weapons of war. The international community should have stepped in when Hitler started building up his army but they didn't and millions died. Now a gold star will go to anyone who can connect this to recent world events.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/24/04 06:31 PM, BeFell wrote: Now a gold star will go to anyone who can connect this to recent world events.

Nobody is stopping the Americans from being so agressive?

I know your not talking about Iraq, because nearly all of the large human rights violations occured in the 80's (& early 90's), while - incidentally - Republicans were in power in America.

Through out the 90's, sanctions worked to limit Iraq's military capabilities.

[BeFell]

At 3/24/04 06:38 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

Nobody is stopping the Americans from being so agressive?

Cute

I know your not talking about Iraq, because nearly all of the large human rights violations occured in the 80's (& early 90's), while - incidentally - Republicans were in power in America.

What about the rest of the world. Eventualy it was taken care of.

Through out the 90's, sanctions worked to limit Iraq's military capabilities.

I still believe we don't know for sure one way or another but even if Iraq did destroy it's weapons and followed the sanctions nobody knew he did and the potential for disaster is still there.

Well you sorta got what I was going for so you get my frowny star.
Good for you. (I can't draw and paint is all I have don't make fun)

[InsaneWarlord]

At 3/24/04 04:35 PM, GoneWithTheSin wrote: "Some have argued that strong actions by England and France in the mid 1930s would have prevented world war II and appeasement merely wetted Hitler's attitude. "

Just wondering...

How accurate is this statement?

Hmm, since I just did a bit of research on this, let me clarify things a little more. When Hitler came into power in 1933, he began ignoring sections of the Treaty of Versailles, especially those involving the military, which they really had only half-abided to start with. In response to his defiant actions, the Allies did... nothing. If they had done something to begin with, it might have been averted, but really, past 1937 on, anything they could have done would have only started the war sooner. Germany's military was already in preparations for combat. So, it's accurate to a point.

Now as a joke, when has France started a war and won? Hell, when has France won a war period?

[Reverend-Kyle]

At 3/24/04 04:35 PM, GoneWithTheSin wrote: "Some have argued that strong actions by England and France in the mid 1930s would have prevented world war II and appeasement merely wetted Hitler's attitude. "

Just wondering...

How accurate is this statement?

I just read about this, and I'll have to agree with the quote. Does anyone know when Mein Kampf was published? He made his plans clear in that. Maybe Hitler should have been taken "seriously"?

The Treaty of Versailles and what it entailed was the cause of World War II. So it would be safe to blame all who were involved.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/24/04 07:31 PM, InsaneWarlord wrote: Now as a joke, when has France started a war and won? Hell, when has France won a war period?

Does taking over almost all of mainland europe count?

[ReiperX]

At 3/24/04 06:38 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/24/04 06:31 PM, BeFell wrote:

Nobody is stopping the Americans from being so agressive?

I know your not talking about Iraq, because nearly all of the large human rights violations occured in the 80's (& early 90's), while - incidentally - Republicans were in power in America.

Through out the 90's, sanctions worked to limit Iraq's military capabilities.

Umm the gulf war which destroyed much or Iraq's military limited Iraq's military capabilities ontop of the sactions. Remember we bombed the fuck out of the retreating Iraqies the day before Bush Sr declared a ceasefire, which also, is why a lot of Iraqis hold deep resentment for the US.
As far as the human rights violations, what about Saudi Arabia, Lebenon, N.Kora, China, and all the other countries that do stuff just as bad with human rights violations as Iraq.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/24/04 07:29 PM, BeFell wrote: Cute

I thought it was.

What about the rest of the world. Eventualy it was taken care of.

Iraq? Eventually taken care of? Yes.. UN sanctions, the first Gulf War...

I still believe we don't know for sure one way or another but even if Iraq did destroy it's weapons and followed the sanctions nobody knew he did and the potential for disaster is still there.

I just got back after hearing someone go on about how he still thinks there were WMDs, for almost two hours. I won't argue the point.

Well you sorta got what I was going for so you get my frowny star.
Good for you. (I can't draw and paint is all I have don't make fun)

Weak.

[therealGooie]

I love how on newgrounds, Hitler never dies. Guess what? The nazi's one because you keep them around =P

[GoneWithTheSin]

thanks for all the feedback. just wanted to know other's opinions on this. thanks

[RedSkunk]

At 3/24/04 09:26 PM, GoneWithTheSin wrote: thanks for all the feedback. just wanted to know other's opinions on this. thanks

Dude, it's so obvious this was a homework assignment that we just totally answered for you.

Well some of us did... I wasn't fooled!

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/04 09:58 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote: Dude, it's so obvious this was a homework assignment that we just totally answered for you.

Hey, who hasn't posted their homework assignments in a Politics forum before?

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/04 07:31 PM, InsaneWarlord wrote: Now as a joke, when has France started a war and won? Hell, when has France won a war period?

Why does ANYONE care how many wars France has won? How many wars has Iceland won? How about Ethiopia? Australia?

[Grim]

At 3/25/04 11:20 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 3/24/04 07:31 PM, InsaneWarlord wrote: Now as a joke, when has France started a war and won? Hell, when has France won a war period?

Why does ANYONE care how many wars France has won? How many wars has Iceland won? How about Ethiopia? Australia?

Are these places you would actually like to fight a war in?

"And the winner gets....death by exposure"

[RedSkunk]

At 3/25/04 11:18 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Hey, who hasn't posted their homework assignments in a Politics forum before?

I have never had the foresight, and no one ever responds in time when posting the night before.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/25/04 11:57 AM, Red_Skvnk wrote: I have never had the foresight, and no one ever responds in time when posting the night before.

Tut tut tut. You should think about things like that a week or so before, then start up a debate.

[therealGooie]

At 3/25/04 11:18 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 3/24/04 09:58 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote: Dude, it's so obvious this was a homework assignment that we just totally answered for you.

Hey, who hasn't posted their homework assignments in a Politics forum before?

Not me :)

But, I have done research from here and gave it to my fat-ass history professor

[RedSkunk]

At 3/25/04 09:18 PM, JesusCyborg wrote: Yea if we fucking nuked Hitler before he started a war...

Oh brother.

[therealGooie]

At 3/25/04 09:20 PM, Red_Skank wrote:

At 3/25/04 09:18 PM, JesusCyborg wrote: Yea if we fucking nuked Hitler before he started a war...

Oh brother.

Oh sister.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/25/04 09:23 PM, -gOOie- wrote:

At 3/25/04 09:20 PM, Red_Skank wrote:

At 3/25/04 09:18 PM, JesusCyborg wrote: Yea if we fucking nuked Hitler before he started a war...

Oh brother.

Oh sister.

Oh goatse.

[TheShrike]

At 3/24/04 05:49 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: True, I suppose. Vietnam, maybe?

Or the Revolutionary War.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/25/04 10:23 PM, TheShrike wrote:

At 3/24/04 05:49 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: True, I suppose. Vietnam, maybe?

Or the Revolutionary War.

Naw, looking back every damn war could of been stopped. That's my line and I'm sticking to it.