Newgrounds, how do you feel about Utah killing this man with a firing squad? He's got about 5 minutes left. His last meal was a steak, lobster, 7-up, apple pie, and vanilla ice cream. He spent his last day watching The Lord of the Rings trilogy and reading "Divine Justice"..Why start a book he'll never finish?
Everyone he knows says he's a changed man, his Jurors are protesting this, his victim's family are protesting this, there are people outside the prison protesting it this.. Why are they continuing to uphold such heartbreaking Justice?
Anyway, what's your thinking on this Death Penalty?
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I'm pretty surprised to see that they're using a firing squad. I had no idea they still did that in this country.
As for the death penalty in general, I can't think of many cases in which it would be justified. The only way I could see it being justified would be if the criminal continued to be a threat to people while in prison.
At 6/18/10 02:01 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: I'm pretty surprised to see that they're using a firing squad. I had no idea they still did that in this country.
Well, only in Utah technically. They actually put a stop to that kind of execution method in 2004. But due to ex-post-facto laws, the fact that the man killed someone before 2004, he got "grandfathered in". He had the option to choose this method of death, and he chose it. For any deathrow inmates sentenced to death for a murder committed after 2004, they don't get the option of the firing squad. Only lethal injection. Oklahoma only allows the firing squad once lethal injection and electrocution are ruled unconstitutional, if that ever happens.
Lol @ my long post here.
As for the death penalty in general, I can't think of many cases in which it would be justified. The only way I could see it being justified would be if the criminal continued to be a threat to people while in prison.
Yeah, I can understand your point there. I personally am more of a supporter of the death penalty.
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At 6/18/10 02:23 AM, jedi-master wrote:At 6/18/10 02:01 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: I'm pretty surprised to see that they're using a firing squad. I had no idea they still did that in this country.Well, only in Utah technically. They actually put a stop to that kind of execution method in 2004. But due to ex-post-facto laws, the fact that the man killed someone before 2004, he got "grandfathered in". He had the option to choose this method of death, and he chose it. For any deathrow inmates sentenced to death for a murder committed after 2004, they don't get the option of the firing squad. Only lethal injection. Oklahoma only allows the firing squad once lethal injection and electrocution are ruled unconstitutional, if that ever happens.
Lol @ my long post here.
Your long post just shows you did some research :)
He certainly did choose it. I've been following the story pretty closely. There's been no word as to whether he's dead yet but it was set for 40 minutes ago so my guess is its been done.
As for the death penalty in general, I can't think of many cases in which it would be justified. The only way I could see it being justified would be if the criminal continued to be a threat to people while in prison.Yeah, I can understand your point there. I personally am more of a supporter of the death penalty.
I'm not really a suppporter of the death penalty but I understand there are times when the best idea is to do it if just to make an example of that person so people don't think they can just start shooting people. Thanks for your insightful comments, Jedi-master. You ain't so bad :D
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At 6/18/10 01:54 AM, rahvin-the-vampire wrote: In case you're not up on it.
Newgrounds, how do you feel about Utah killing this man with a firing squad?
He killed an innocent man while fleeing a court house on murder charges, this is fair.
Everyone he knows says he's a changed man, his Jurors are protesting this, his victim's family are protesting this, there are people outside the prison protesting it this.. Why are they continuing to uphold such heartbreaking Justice?
Heartbreaking justice? Nah this is delivering justice. Kill someone in my family, I won't give you a notice of death or a last meal. Then I'll plead temporary insanity and be out in 5 months, you'll still be dead.
Come on, he killed 2 innocent men, he deserved every ounce of the bullet he ate.
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this is justice working. this guy has has killed and he is being made a example what better example but by firing squad.
In some states you're still allowed to choose firing squad, and that's probably what I'd pick as well.
Between being injected with a toxin cocktail that leaves me alive for minutes, being electrocuted and feeling my nerve endings fry with a chance of survival, and being riddled with bullets where at least I have the guarantee of bleeding out in seconds or having such immediate brain damage that I don't feel it? I'm glad he got the humane way out on a technicality. I think if they offered the same choice to most people, they'd find that those executed prefer $2 bucks worth of bullets in the backyard to several hundred dollars worth of setup in the airconditioning.
I'd still try to beg for death by NOS if I had it coming, but that's just me.
At any rate there's a fine line in which the death of the person is called for. I believe that line is just on the other side of where he was, with anyone who can't be rehabilitated and made a productive person in society being deserving of the death penalty.
My view is that jail isn't a punishment, it's a forced isolation during which you should be thinking about what you did, and how you can better yourself to not have to come back. If you can't figure that out in five years, there's an outside chance you'll figure it out but it's not worth spending that much money on you to wait around on that inspiration in my opinion. Jail sentences should be reformed, along with the structure of the jails themselves, to directly reflect a second chance for the criminals. Less time locked in a cage, more time with individual and group therapy to promote better decision making skills. Change the sentencing times around so the therapists decide how long the inmate remains based on how they've grown from the experience, which forces them to work towards bettering themselves for freedom. Then send them the bills for it, explaining that they've cost the system X amount so far and if they reach a certain point at any given time where the value exceeds what they can reasonably be assumed to put back into the system with their remaining life (with a certain degree of leniency of course to cover those with disabilities or the elderly who have less time or capacity for earning money), then they may face an execution when we realize they're a complete loss. Essentially, if you're a healthy 22 year old man who ran a stop light, it would be nearly impossible for you to fool around long enough to earn a death penalty. You have a huge potential still for becoming a productive member of society, and it would be very foolish of you to refuse to learn to obey traffic signals for so long as to waste that much money. If you're a 42 year old who killed five people, you're going to be in there for a while being reminded of the value of human life, and you'll have less earning power, less chance to be a redeemable member of society, thereafter because of what you did. You're already handicapped in how much time you have, you'd better buckle down and be very much interested in learning to behave or you might be in deep trouble. This gives those with a chance of death penalty a chance to redeem themselves, no matter what they did, by really feeling remorse and getting control over themselves.
The biggest problem with this that I see is cost. To prevent any one therapist from being bribed into a release, you'd need to cycle therapists through several jails and have two or three needed to vouch for an inmate to ensure release. The upside to that is the reduced time people could spend in jail if they really did have no intentions of doing it again.
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At 6/18/10 09:11 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: this is justice working. this guy has has killed and he is being made a example what better example but by firing squad.
An "example" has been made of thousands of other people. And yet it never really seems to do any good?
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At 6/18/10 10:23 AM, Ericho wrote: I thought it was strange there would be such a controversy on using a firing squad because according to Guinness World Records, firing squad is the most common form of execution in the entire world. Is the person actually shot numerous times or is it in fact just one person who has the real bullet as I have heard?
Generally it's multiple live rounds and one or more blanks. You don't want just a single shot, otherwise the person with live ammo could botch it.
I don't see how this is tragic in the least, in fact this is amazing that they gave him all those luxuries and all those choices, I guess firing squad is more badass then injections. You should be appalled he had all those things and choices, not sad that he got killed.
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Honestly, I'd say the fastest and least painful method of execution would be a well maintained guillotine, but that's just way too messy in this day and age.
Firing squad could be potentially painful if you were shot in the wrong places and had to bleed out, electric chairs must be excruciating, and lethal injection is a huge hassle to pull off painlessly, not to mention expensive.
In this particular case, I'd venture to say that capital punishment would be justified, seeing as how he was on trial for murder, and then killed another person trying to escape. He blew his chance and showed that he is both a flight risk and is highly dangerous. Under those conditions, I'd say capital punishment is a reasonable option.
However, I don't think that capital punishment should be used unless it's a repeat offender for violent crime. If someone goes to jail for murder, they shouldn't be a candidate for capital punishment. They should be given a chance to repent and learn their lesson via incarceration. Some murderers do come to truly regret their actions and are genuinely remorseful. However, if they kill someone while in jail or in an escape attempt, it shows that they are a lethal threat even when imprisoned, and then I feel that capital punishment could be considered.
At 6/18/10 02:00 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: Honestly, I'd say the fastest and least painful method of execution would be a well maintained guillotine, but that's just way too messy in this day and age.
I'd say a lethal dose of barbiturates would be appropriate. Not painful, simple and no chance of anesthesia awareness like the current three-stage lethal injection process.
However, I don't think that capital punishment should be used unless it's a repeat offender for violent crime.
To be fair, the guy in this topic was sentenced to death for killing an attorney during an escape attempt while on trial for another murder.
At 6/18/10 02:42 PM, Elfer wrote:
To be fair, the guy in this topic was sentenced to death for killing an attorney during an escape attempt while on trial for another murder.
Yeah I know, I said that earlier in my post.
At 6/18/10 01:54 AM, rahvin-the-vampire wrote: Why are they continuing to uphold such heartbreaking Justice?
... what's the point of having a justice system if there's no follow-through in the sentencing?
Anyway, what's your thinking on this Death Penalty?
It amazes me that even such a simple and cheap alternative to the death penalty can be screwed up in such a spectacular way. And by that I mean; shooting Gardner in the heart. Anybody who's watched the History of the Military or History channel for five minutes will tell you that a shot in the t-zone of the face will guarantee an instant kill-shot by severing the spinal cord or causing massive brain injury.
At 6/18/10 10:50 AM, Elfer wrote: Generally it's multiple live rounds and one or more blanks. You don't want just a single shot, otherwise the person with live ammo could botch it.
According to a live CNN report earlier today, only one of the five gunman had live ammo while the other four had blanks. Oh, and one witness reported that Gardner managed to move his hand a bit before he was confirmed dead by an on duty physician.
Like I said; it amazes me how easily the government can screwup something so simple as shooting somebody.
At 6/18/10 10:23 AM, Ericho wrote: Is the person actually shot numerous times or is it in fact just one person who has the real bullet as I have heard?
Not every shooter gets a live round. In this case, 1 shooter out of 5 got a wax bullet, same recoil as a live round, but no damage. This way every shooter can go home feeling that maybe HE wasn't the one who killed a man. 4 live rounds to the heart and it's all over.
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I don't think he should be killed , I think he should be kept lock in straight jacket while living off of paste being feed through a straw for the rest of his natural life.
I think that lethal injection is a pretty pointless method of execution, firing squads make much more sense as the default. They're simpler and cheaper.
On the subject of capital punishment as a whole I think that having death penalty and life sentences is kind of redundant. I think that any situation where people would be sentenced to death should just be replaced with a lifetime of solitary confinement. Lock them in a box and give them some crappy food and water everyday, if they get sick or stop eating then we let them die. The whole point of having the long and costly appeal process with have is to make sure no one is wrongly killed, if we just locked people up in solitary for life then we wouldn't have to hear about anyone else being on deathrow for over a freaking decade. And if any new evidence should ever come up that shows the person was wrongly incarcerated they aren't dead so we can release them.
Peoples want of vengeance should not have any place in the justice system.
are we debating the merits of the death penalty or of death by firing squad?
At 6/19/10 02:32 PM, MrHero17 wrote: I think that lethal injection is a pretty pointless method of execution, firing squads make much more sense as the default. They're simpler and cheaper.
When Hitler was spending too much money on executing the Jews with Firing squads he switched to gas chambers. So let's learn from him and start taking all the death row inmates and gas them.
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At 6/19/10 05:24 PM, Warforger wrote: When Hitler was spending too much money on executing the Jews with Firing squads he switched to gas chambers. So let's learn from him and start taking all the death row inmates and gas them.
you're not factoring quantity into this; individual gas chamber executions would be ridiculously expensive, just think of all the gas wasted making the atmosphere within a chamber lethal for just one person!
and i have a feeling communal executions would be frowned upon; execution chambers aren't slaughterhouses after all.
At 6/19/10 06:02 PM, SolInvictus wrote: you're not factoring quantity into this; individual gas chamber executions would be ridiculously expensive, just think of all the gas wasted making the atmosphere within a chamber lethal for just one person!
That's if you go with a poisonous gas or other such substance. I once heard it said there were some gas chambers the Nazi's used that were simply filled with diesel fuel exhaust. Just run the exhaust right into the airtight chamber, and start the engine. Death by carbon monoxide poisoning, you just fall asleep and never wake up.
And how much is diesel fuel right now? $2.75 a gallon? A little more expensive than shooting somebody, I'll grant you that, but it's not like you'd be using the whole gallon, either. You just have to find an engine made pre-1975 when emissions standards were non-existent, which isn't all that difficult to do here in the states...
At 6/19/10 06:33 PM, Proteas wrote:At 6/19/10 06:02 PM, SolInvictus wrote: you're not factoring quantity into this; individual gas chamber executions would be ridiculously expensive, just think of all the gas wasted making the atmosphere within a chamber lethal for just one person!That's if you go with a poisonous gas or other such substance. I once heard it said there were some gas chambers the Nazi's used that were simply filled with diesel fuel exhaust. Just run the exhaust right into the airtight chamber, and start the engine. Death by carbon monoxide poisoning, you just fall asleep and never wake up.
And how much is diesel fuel right now? $2.75 a gallon? A little more expensive than shooting somebody, I'll grant you that, but it's not like you'd be using the whole gallon, either. You just have to find an engine made pre-1975 when emissions standards were non-existent, which isn't all that difficult to do here in the states...
That's not a terrible idea, but nitrous oxide I believe would be about equivalent in painless, fast deaths. We'd need to look at the two as far as costs and effects on the body both. Then we'd need to reduce the size of the room for best economy effect, shrink that down to a simple mask and you no longer need to fill a room to reach lethal concentrations.
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At 6/18/10 08:31 AM, bcdemon wrote: He killed an innocent man while fleeing a court house on murder charges, this is fair.
Heartbreaking justice? Nah this is delivering justice. Kill someone in my family, I won't give you a notice of death or a last meal. Then I'll plead temporary insanity and be out in 5 months, you'll still be dead.
Come on, he killed 2 innocent men, he deserved every ounce of the bullet he ate.
Well that's a very selfish and juvenile statement. The death penalty is supposed to a form of justice, not vengeance. Pleading temporary insanity isn't going to get you out of murder either.
At any rate, I personally don't back the death penalty. I just feel that there is too much room for error. Even in this case where the man is in fact guilty, I don't really believe that the government should have the right to take a mans life anyway. Killing this man only contributes to the misery. He won't feel the repercussions, hell he's dead, but his family most certainly will and they aren't the ones responsible for the murders.
It too surprised me that firing squads are still in use in the states. I mostly oppose capital punishment in general. Is it purely for retribution to the criminal's actions? Are they using it as a means to possibly prevent future criminals from following the condemned's path? I don't see a use for the death penalty in most situation. I'll admit I'd give most death row inmates a second chance. If they are truly reformed and pose no threat to the general public then by all means release him albeit on probation or something of the sort. But true, if the convicted shows no signs of rehabilitation and still poses a danger to the outside, then why are we spending tax money everyday to house and feed these parasites? I'm not saying blast them all, but I don't think it's fair that our tax money goes to convicts.
At 6/19/10 06:33 PM, Proteas wrote: That's if you go with a poisonous gas or other such substance. I once heard it said there were some gas chambers the Nazi's used that were simply filled with diesel fuel exhaust. Just run the exhaust right into the airtight chamber, and start the engine. Death by carbon monoxide poisoning, you just fall asleep and never wake up.
they even rigged up van's to do the job. but i guess humane means anything without blood or that had been used by the Nazis...
At 6/20/10 02:47 AM, SolInvictus wrote:
they even rigged up van's to do the job. but i guess humane means anything without blood or that had been used by the Nazis...
Yeah, I've been wondering for a while now about the use of the word 'Humane' in capital punishment. It seems to mean more 'Easy to watch' than 'Painless to the criminal'. Because let's face it, probably the absolutely fastest way to die is to not tell them it's coming, let them think it's in a month or so, and sneak in and shoot them in the head about nine times while they sleep. They don't feel it, they don't even have to feel the terror of knowing it's happening. But people for whatever reason can't be reasonable when it comes down to the death penalty. There have to be people watching, you can't hire people who work for the mafia and don't mind doing it, you have to let them know it's happening... Frankly there's a billion cheaper, easier, more humane ways to do it than the methods we use today. They just for whatever reason won't acknowledge them.
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At 6/18/10 09:11 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: this is justice working. this guy has has killed and he is being made a example what better example but by firing squad.
Beside he gets to have one of the greatest last meals, how many other inmates get to have that? Aside from those whom we're not aware of.
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At 6/19/10 09:41 PM, KidneyThief wrote: The death penalty is supposed to a form of justice, not vengeance.
Whats the difference between these two again?
I abhor the death penalty, everybody must be given the chance to live, especially those who have changed for the better.
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