The F.w.s Closes Parts Of Az

[Proteas]

A long time ago, I made the comment that if I was ever elected president, that I would station skinheads with .50 caliber BMG's every mile or so along the U.S./Mexican Border to help with border security. While this was just a joke meant to draw attention to draw attention to the serious security concern that is our 2000 miles of open border with Mexico, an issue in a certain portion of Arizona may require such heavy handed action.

Click here.

For those of you who are to lazy to open that link, it's basically a flier from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service telling people to stay away from a 3500 acre section of Arizona along the U.S/Mexico border that has become overrun with violence from drug runners.

So... I ask again... is this a problem yet? Can we pay attention to this now?

[Proteas]

Thirty some odd views and NO comments? Seriously?

Maybe this will perk your interests; conspiracy theorists and members of the right are using this flier to paint the current administration as seceding portions of Arizona to the Mexican government. And since there's no mention of actions taken by the government with regards to handling the situation beyond making the area a veritable no-man's land for American citizens... it kind of makes you wonder what the deal is.

Meanwhile, U.S. Citizens still get treated like criminals if they want to fly by air anywhere in this country.

[fli]

Arizona did something when they passed that law-- what else is there to say?

Although-- what they've done is as ineffective because it's families and their children fleeing from that state-- not criminals.

And literally, the crime is like the Ring of Fire... Because that's how extensive the violence and organization is, really--

And it would take a combined effort of Canada, the United States, Mexico, and the rest of the Latin American countries to stop the cartel-- first by raising the standard of living in the poor places, which would give citizens initiative to not join gangs and cartels.

But... you know... communism, socialism, obamaism...

[drDAK]

I hope you know that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, according to our jails which are disproportionately housed with citizens. Not illegals.

[Proteas]

At 6/17/10 06:40 PM, fli wrote: But... you know... communism, socialism, obamaism...

So... why doesn't Mexico fix the problem itself, then?

At 6/17/10 08:23 PM, drDAK wrote: I hope you know that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, according to our jails which are disproportionately housed with citizens. Not illegals.

Since this wasn't directed at Fli, I'm going to assume it was directed at me. To which I say... our jails are setup to deport or release illegal citizens, ergo, any data you would have on the matter is going to be disproportionately skewed to favoring the continued presence of illegal immigrants.

[Korriken]

At 6/17/10 09:44 PM, Proteas wrote:

So... why doesn't Mexico fix the problem itself, then?

because they would lose to revenue of illegals sending money back to their families, which some ends up in the government coffer in the form of taxes of some sort.

and as for the criminals... meh, given the state Mexico is in, do you REALLY believe the officials aren't elbow deep in the shit mound?

[Camarohusky]

At 6/17/10 09:44 PM, Proteas wrote:
So... why doesn't Mexico fix the problem itself, then?

I'll go down there ask them why their economy sucks and Dr. Phil them. It's their fault their economy sucks; their fault their people have resorted to crime to make a scratch living; their fault the violence has spread into the US.

Yeah, immigration will be completely halted when I get back...

[fli]

You believe that this is Mexico is creating its own problems?
This is an international problem, especially with politics like the NAFTA.

Before NAFTA, farmers could actually make a living selling corn at a competitive prices, and eat from their own crops. But now, you get American politicians boost their and Canada's economy-- BUT this by putting the Mexican farmer at a disadvantage by making corn sooooo cheap that they can't support their families.

And what is more, US companies are also using genetically modified corn so that farmers can't save their seed-- making them pay for their corn that can't sell-- and it's sweet corn or corn for animal feed, not the traditional hominy type that, really, is a huge source of their caloric and nutritional intake.

So, they pay their corn, they can't sell it at a price to make a profit, nor they can eat it.
So, where the heck they gonna do? They can't starve, and many of them don't want to leave (because the trip is VERY dangerous)-- but they have to.

And when they do something about it (like the rebels Zapatistas in Chiapas)-- the Americans call them TERRORISTS (but they're just doing what you're saying... taking care of business.)

See, the US is also part of the problem. It's not just a "you-made-your-bed-now-you-sleep-in-it" sort of situation.

And as for statistics about criminals.
Yes, there are crimes. But for the most part-- it's lower than legalized people. And these type of studies from Florida Atlantic University, and the The American Journal of Health. In fact, they claim that it's only when after an immigration population becomes Americanized by the 3rd generation that a ethnic group's crime rates matches with the rest of the population.

It doesn't become less--

This is a far more complex issue-- and like I said before. Borders, stoping every brown guy at a parking lot, illegalizing loitering the parking lot of an OSH doesn't do much but temporarily inconvenience some folks and give some people a false sense of security and the American politician FACE.