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At 6/12/10 12:40 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:30 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:26 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:22 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:21 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:00 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: I am between atheist and agnostic. I think God is an egomaniac and violates his own Ten Commandments as proved in the Bible.

How can you consider yourself an atheist and think God does anything?

Nono, I wasn't speaking like that, I was speaking that IF he did exist he would be like that, as proven in the Bible itself.

How does the Bible prove anything or give you any sort of reliable precept for God's existence? Why must be the God the bible describes or not exist?

Here is an example: One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not bear false witness". And it says in the Bible itself "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".

And? What empirical evidence is there that God must have a certain quality? Their are thousands of different interpretations of God. What makes the Bibles anymore certain then any other given interpretation? Thing is, God is vague and not quite subject to the same principles that people are.

You say that God is egotistical. But doesn't he have the right? He did create the universe afteral!.
Anyway. God is not an equation, he doesn't need to be a certain way. He doesn't have a distinct, uniform composition the way a substance does. You need to understand the importance of evidence. I need quantitive as well as qualitative data that God must be the way the Christian Bible says.

Wait, how can you state that you say "God" created the universe? There is no proof whatsoever! It is just a huge belief society is expected to believe, and I'm surprised the majority of us do believe. At least science states the facts and backs them up, you are just coming out with a belief and saying that it is a fact with no evidence. Show me evidence.

At 6/12/10 12:03 AM, chiefindomer wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:00 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: I am between atheist and agnostic.

Please, tell me how that is possible.

it isn't.

At 6/12/10 12:44 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:40 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:30 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:26 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:22 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:21 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:00 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: I am between atheist and agnostic. I think God is an egomaniac and violates his own Ten Commandments as proved in the Bible.

How can you consider yourself an atheist and think God does anything?

Nono, I wasn't speaking like that, I was speaking that IF he did exist he would be like that, as proven in the Bible itself.

How does the Bible prove anything or give you any sort of reliable precept for God's existence? Why must be the God the bible describes or not exist?

Here is an example: One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not bear false witness". And it says in the Bible itself "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".

And? What empirical evidence is there that God must have a certain quality? Their are thousands of different interpretations of God. What makes the Bibles anymore certain then any other given interpretation? Thing is, God is vague and not quite subject to the same principles that people are.

You say that God is egotistical. But doesn't he have the right? He did create the universe afteral!.
Anyway. God is not an equation, he doesn't need to be a certain way. He doesn't have a distinct, uniform composition the way a substance does. You need to understand the importance of evidence. I need quantitive as well as qualitative data that God must be the way the Christian Bible says.

Wait, how can you state that you say "God" created the universe?

Rasta, twas sarcasm meant to back up the absurdity of the accusing god of being egotistical.
There is no proof whatsoever! It is just a huge belief society is expected to believe, and I'm surprised the majority of us do believe. At least science states the facts and backs them up, you are just coming out with a belief and saying that it is a fact with no evidence. Show me evidence.

Okay, as we can all see you bascially fixated on one small part of my post and ignored the rest. I'm asking you why one interpretation is more likely to the "true" interpretation then the rest. And if you're surprised, you apparently never took a sociology class. I don't see why you demonize religion the way you do (Well, Mostly just christianity)

At 6/12/10 12:44 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: Wait, how can you state that you say "God" created the universe? There is no proof whatsoever! It is just a huge belief society is expected to believe, and I'm surprised the majority of us do believe. At least science states the facts and backs them up, you are just coming out with a belief and saying that it is a fact with no evidence. Show me evidence.

You aren't expected to believe anything. I guess that whole 'freedom of religion' thing is just shit right?

Fact of the matter is that science's one big failure is that it relies on absolute fact; meaning that science in general acknowledges the fact that it could be wrong. As a matter of fact if you want to get right down to it you don't even technically exist as an absolute fact because it isn't mathematically proven.

And incidentally, there's a huge amount of studies that condradict eachother several times over, and plenty of so called 'research' is just made up.

So we have a quarrel here: Believe in religions- which in general is an absolute, no fallacy explanation for why we're here and why we exist, where we're going after death, etc.

Or we could believe in science, with an incredible air of uncertainty over what happens after death and not knowing anything for a concrete fact due to it's own weaknesses.

And yes, it is a belief in god, but if you believe that one fact it's a solid explanation for pretty much everything in the universe.

At 6/12/10 12:51 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:44 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:40 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:30 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:26 AM, OddlyPoetic wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:22 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:21 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:00 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: I am between atheist and agnostic. I think God is an egomaniac and violates his own Ten Commandments as proved in the Bible.

How can you consider yourself an atheist and think God does anything?

Nono, I wasn't speaking like that, I was speaking that IF he did exist he would be like that, as proven in the Bible itself.

How does the Bible prove anything or give you any sort of reliable precept for God's existence? Why must be the God the bible describes or not exist?

Here is an example: One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not bear false witness". And it says in the Bible itself "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie".

And? What empirical evidence is there that God must have a certain quality? Their are thousands of different interpretations of God. What makes the Bibles anymore certain then any other given interpretation? Thing is, God is vague and not quite subject to the same principles that people are.

You say that God is egotistical. But doesn't he have the right? He did create the universe afteral!.
Anyway. God is not an equation, he doesn't need to be a certain way. He doesn't have a distinct, uniform composition the way a substance does. You need to understand the importance of evidence. I need quantitive as well as qualitative data that God must be the way the Christian Bible says.

Wait, how can you state that you say "God" created the universe?

Rasta, twas sarcasm meant to back up the absurdity of the accusing god of being egotistical.
There is no proof whatsoever! It is just a huge belief society is expected to believe, and I'm surprised the majority of us do believe. At least science states the facts and backs them up, you are just coming out with a belief and saying that it is a fact with no evidence. Show me evidence.

Okay, as we can all see you bascially fixated on one small part of my post and ignored the rest. I'm asking you why one interpretation is more likely to the "true" interpretation then the rest. And if you're surprised, you apparently never took a sociology class. I don't see why you demonize religion the way you do (Well, Mostly just christianity)

Well because this interpretation actually makes sense and tells the truth instead of just saying that this happened because of this guy and this guy will determine whether you go to Heaven or Hell. And I wouldn't state it as demonizing, more like denying. I mean, when you go around town you must see a church, right? There are buildings EVERYWHERE that tell the myth of religion, not just Christianity. It could be Islam or Buddhist or anything. I just came on here to state my opinion and hear back from others, not to argue.

At 6/12/10 12:57 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote:

Well because this interpretation actually makes sense and tells the truth instead of just saying that this happened because of this guy and this guy will determine whether you go to Heaven or Hell.

Dude...i dont think you get what i'm asking you. What interpretation do you mean now? You're confusing

And I wouldn't state it as demonizing, more like denying. I mean, when you go around town you must see a church, right? There are buildings EVERYWHERE that tell the myth of religion, not just Christianity. It could be Islam or Buddhist or anything. I just came on here to state my opinion and hear back from others, not to argue.

No, but you seem to only focus on the cons of Christianity. I Don't see you shit-talking any other religion. And thats just what we're doing. Discussing. IF you want people to just totally agree with you then thats not a discussion; thats just a like-minded circle jerk that goes nowhere.

Another religion thread? How many do we need? Let's get this straight: arguing will do nothing. It's like punching a wall.

let me make this clear to you retards. Religion is what someone believes. We all know you're talking about god or Yahweh to us, Christians. Look kids you can talk about religion all you want but first dont talk shit about anyones religion til you've experienced it. And dont tell me "OH I WAS A CHRISTIAN AND I DIDNT FEEL GOD'S PRESENCE" if you people knew anything about the bible you'd know god doesn't just lend a helping hand to anyone if you want proof of god go and pray and immerse yourself in the religion don't just use your logic or reasoning or whatever, anyway that's what my faith says.

Point being you cant take christanity with a grain of salt either you believe in all this or you don't simple as that. And oddly poetic you're the biggest idiot of them all. God is an all powerful being and male to me becaz thats what my faith says. Thats the whole point of religion you either accept all of what it teaches or you're not part of it and don't tell me thats not "tolerant" or some shit because that is what pisses me off the most.

My religion requires me to practice it and follow everything they teach. Now im not perfect nor will i ever and im not saying im better than you but you have to understand the whole point of religion is that what it teaches is what you except you cant bend it to your liking or you're not really a part of that religion.

At 6/12/10 12:54 AM, Ass-Crumb wrote: Fact of the matter is that science's one big failure is that it relies on absolute fact;

You think that's the bad part?!?!

meaning that science in general acknowledges the fact that it could be wrong.

When you acknowledge that you could be wrong it's called being honest.

And incidentally, there's a huge amount of studies that condradict eachother several times over,

That tends to happen in the quest for knowledge.

and plenty of so called 'research' is just made up.

Obviously if this so called 'research' is just made up then it isn't science.

So we have a quarrel here: Believe in religions- which in general is an absolute, no fallacy explanation for why we're here and why we exist, where we're going after death, etc.

It's one big assumption that requires no logic or evidence.

Or we could believe in science, with an incredible air of uncertainty over what happens after death and not knowing anything for a concrete fact due to it's own weaknesses.

Once again, it's called being honest.

And yes, it is a belief in god, but if you believe that one fact it's a solid explanation for pretty much everything in the universe.

Saying David Blaine created the universe with magic is just as good of an explanation. It's easy to claim anything you want when you throw logic out the window.

At 6/12/10 01:08 AM, PEN1SPOW3R wrote: except you cant bend it to your liking or you're not really a part of that religion.

accept*

At 6/12/10 12:00 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: I'm a cunt.

You sure are.

At 6/12/10 01:08 AM, PEN1SPOW3R wrote: let me make this clear to you retards. Religion is what someone believes. We all know you're talking about god or Yahweh to us, Christians. Look kids you can talk about religion all you want but first dont talk shit about anyones religion til you've experienced it. And dont tell me "OH I WAS A CHRISTIAN AND I DIDNT FEEL GOD'S PRESENCE" if you people knew anything about the bible you'd know god doesn't just lend a helping hand to anyone if you want proof of god go and pray and immerse yourself in the religion don't just use your logic or reasoning or whatever, anyway that's what my faith says.

Point being you cant take christanity with a grain of salt either you believe in all this or you don't simple as that. And oddly poetic you're the biggest idiot of them all. God is an all powerful being and male to me becaz thats what my faith says. Thats the whole point of religion you either accept all of what it teaches or you're not part of it and don't tell me thats not "tolerant" or some shit because that is what pisses me off the most.

My religion requires me to practice it and follow everything they teach. Now im not perfect nor will i ever and im not saying im better than you but you have to understand the whole point of religion is that what it teaches is what you except you cant bend it to your liking or you're not really a part of that religion.

Exactly, which is why I don't believe in a religion anymore. But I did have faith at first and I did believe there was a God. But, seriously when we have science why do we deny the facts and believe religion? I'm not bending any religion to my liking, I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to me anymore. So you say I can't talk shit about a religion I haven't experienced? The religion I'm bible bashing on I HAVE experienced.

At 6/12/10 12:54 AM, Ass-Crumb wrote:

At 6/12/10 12:44 AM, xJuggaloxKagex wrote: Wait, how can you state that you say "God" created the universe? There is no proof whatsoever! It is just a huge belief society is expected to believe, and I'm surprised the majority of us do believe. At least science states the facts and backs them up, you are just coming out with a belief and saying that it is a fact with no evidence. Show me evidence.

So we have a quarrel here: Believe in religions- which in general is an absolute, no fallacy explanation for why we're here and why we exist, where we're going after death, etc.

How can you say that religion has no fallacies? Religion's definition is "a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny". If this definition says that religion is just a belief, how can you say that it is flawless and that science is a lie? Science is in fact the truth. You don't need to accept science, but it is in fact, the complete truth, and has "no fallacies".

My thoughts on OP.

You are a stupid elitist. You insulted the bible. You must be a cool dude.