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At 8/14/10 01:28 PM, Ranger2 wrote: One thing I don't understand is how people can support Hamas when THEY HATE YOU. I know liberal Americans who damn Israel and say that they support Hamas's fight. I always tell them that, "if you were to die right now, Hamas would cheer. They would not hesitate to blow YOU up."

Name me any place where we were supporting Hamas.

At 8/14/10 01:28 PM, Ranger2 wrote: One thing I don't understand is how people can support Hamas when THEY HATE YOU.

One thing I don't understand is how you can say someone that speaks against Israel is supporting Hamas? Are we all supposed to praise Israel when they drop white phosphorous on schools? I would hope any sane person would be disgusted by this.

But unfortunately that is the Israeli bias. In that mind set Israel can do no wrong. Like Israeli nuclear weapons, they deny IAEA inspections yet feel that Iran should be bombed because they are building a nuclear power plant.

How bias are you? What do you see in this picture?

At 8/18/10 08:49 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 8/14/10 01:28 PM, Ranger2 wrote: One thing I don't understand is how people can support Hamas when THEY HATE YOU.

How bias are you? What do you see in this picture?

Terrorists running from their hiding place, rockets in school explode and their parts falling. nothing new.

At 6/9/10 02:57 PM, Metal-Loving-Medic wrote: Isreal seems to be the only sane country in the middle-east...

In my opinion atleast

I agree. Think about the position they're in. Isreal is surrounded on all sides by people that have devoted everything they have to destroying them. What choice do they have? They don't have the same luxury that we do.

At 8/18/10 02:47 PM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/18/10 08:49 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 8/14/10 01:28 PM, Ranger2 wrote: One thing I don't understand is how people can support Hamas when THEY HATE YOU.

How bias are you? What do you see in this picture?

Terrorists running from their hiding place, rockets in school explode and their parts falling. nothing new.

You didn't see the rest though which makes your point wrong. Its a rocket attack from Israel, the people, how are they terrorists? They're not holding any weapons, they're not concealing their faces. I'll try to upload the images to this site since that other one might be blocked in Israel or something.

and goes on

and on

plus

like i said, more buildings that hamas took control of and hid rockets and his troops.

Of course, IDF has some bad apples. There are some Israeli soldiers who are assholes, have killed civilians intentionally, and overall are terrorists.

But the entirety of Hamas dedicates itself to killing civilians. Forget, "it's X's land," Hamas kills on percentage, more civilians than Israel does, about 10% more.

At 8/18/10 03:58 PM, Ranger2 wrote: Of course, IDF has some bad apples. There are some Israeli soldiers who are assholes, have killed civilians intentionally, and overall are terrorists.

But the entirety of Hamas dedicates itself to killing civilians. Forget, "it's X's land," Hamas kills on percentage, more civilians than Israel does, about 10% more.

Yes, but in terms of actual figures, Israel kills far more civilians. Period. The IDF is better equipped and asuch casualties are kept to a minimum. However, a civilian is a civilian. Say what you like, you're trying to justify civilian deaths with more civilian deaths. Pissing into a sea of piss comes to mind.

And by calling an IDF troop a terrorist you're prooving my point - you don't actualy know what a terrorist is. How does mishandling of POWs represent an act of terrorism? I might add, there are more and more pictures of IDF abuse of prisoners cropping up and the IDF is getting its back up against the wall about it.

But back to the main point, you're using the term the way a half cocked TV reporter on a debate might if he worked for Fox News. How can we take you seriously if you don't seem to understand the words you're using?

At 8/18/10 03:30 PM, satanbrain wrote: like i said, more buildings that hamas took control of and hid rockets and his troops.

I can not take you serious when you seem to think Hamas is a person.

At 8/18/10 04:08 PM, Chris-V2 wrote:

Yes, but in terms of actual figures, Israel kills far more civilians. Period.

More German than American civilians died in WWII. More German than British civilians died in WWII. We killed more German civilians than they killed ours. Who's the bad guy? The number of deaths does not necessarily make whoever killed more worse.

And by calling an IDF troop a terrorist you're prooving my point - you don't actualy know what a terrorist is. How does mishandling of POWs represent an act of terrorism?

I was not referencing the mishandling of a POW. That does not "proove" your point. I was referencing individual IDF soldiers who kill civilians for fun. Those individual soldiers are terrorists-inspiring fear among the Palestinian populace. But the IDF as a whole, no.

I understand the words I use. You took them out of context.

At 8/18/10 03:30 PM, satanbrain wrote: like i said, more buildings that hamas took control of and hid rockets and his troops.

That makes no sense. Thats a UN school, A FUCKING UN SCHOOL, its not a Palestinian building. Using your logic the best way to deal with buildings taken over by the enemy is to blow them up, ESPECIALLY if they're civilian buildings and are near other civilian buildings along with other Civilians.

At 8/18/10 05:01 PM, Ranger2 wrote:

More German than American civilians died in WWII. More German than British civilians died in WWII. We killed more German civilians than they killed ours. Who's the bad guy? The number of deaths does not necessarily make whoever killed more worse.

First of all: Wut? Second of all: The only bearing those two situations have on each other is that there was guns involved and possibly genocide. The Isreal-Palestine war is being fought on Palestinian soil (Well, I suppose this is also where the point of contention lies for Israel). Germany is a big country, I'd be surprised if the percentages you were quoting previously would tell the same story.

I'd also like to see wether this was including concentration camps, executions by gestapo and wether or not it was all land occupied by Nazi Germany or just the Germany we know now.

Why do Israelis bring everything back to WW II anyway? These analagies don't lead anywhere.

I was not referencing the mishandling of a POW. That does not "proove" your point. I was referencing individual IDF soldiers who kill civilians for fun. Those individual soldiers are terrorists-inspiring fear among the Palestinian populace. But the IDF as a whole, no.

I understand the words I use. You took them out of context.

But you replied to my mention of a "mishandling" of a POW by calling some IDF soldiers terrorists. I didn't take them out of context, I just found it hard to extract information from your "sentence".

see what I did there?

But as an IDF solider, you are representing your country in a foreign land. If the chain of command only punishes the soliders after the event - in this case months after the soldier has left the army - then surely the IDF is passively enforcing a terrorist policy. By not aggresively enforcing the ROE and Geneva Conventions (which in a very American manner Israel tend to mewl about when attacked and disregard when on the offensive) they are encouraging soldiers to go nuts.

In response to the point that many more Germans than Americans or British died in WWII: That was because the war was fought in Germany. 10,000,000 Soviet troops were killed.

I'd like to again point out the huge discrepancy in Israeli vs. Palestinian casualties, especially the number of civilians killed. If this does not constitute the use of excessive and overbearing force on Israel's part, I do not know what does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%
80%93Palestinian_conflict#Fatalities_194 8-present

Here's what B'Tselem states:

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistic s/First_Intifada_Tables.asp
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistic s/Casualties.asp

At 8/18/10 05:36 PM, Warforger wrote: That makes no sense. Thats a UN school, A FUCKING UN SCHOOL, its not a Palestinian building. Using your logic the best way to deal with buildings taken over by the enemy is to blow them up, ESPECIALLY if they're civilian buildings and are near other civilian buildings along with other Civilians.

that is the sad truth, the UN ignores hamas doings and let him take over schools.

At 8/18/10 04:38 PM, Soapbubble wrote:

At 8/18/10 03:30 PM, satanbrain wrote: like i said, more buildings that hamas took control of and hid rockets and his troops.

I can not take you serious when you seem to think Hamas is a person.

i consider hamas an organization, singular.

At 8/19/10 12:18 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/18/10 05:36 PM, Warforger wrote: That makes no sense. Thats a UN school, A FUCKING UN SCHOOL, its not a Palestinian building. Using your logic the best way to deal with buildings taken over by the enemy is to blow them up, ESPECIALLY if they're civilian buildings and are near other civilian buildings along with other Civilians.

that is the sad truth, the UN ignores hamas doings and let him take over schools.

So the bold and always justified Israel decides the best solution is to kill everyone at the school to make sure all the "terrorists" are dead, instead of you know, assaulting it with ground troops. Is the Israeli military ran by Rico Rodriguez or something? Whats their obsession with blowing shit up?

At 8/19/10 12:45 AM, Warforger wrote: So the bold and always justified Israel decides the best solution is to kill everyone at the school to make sure all the "terrorists" are dead, instead of you know, assaulting it with ground troops. Is the Israeli military ran by Rico Rodriguez or something? Whats their obsession with blowing shit up?

It's impossible to assault this "civilian" buildings, it is filled with traps and snipers. when it's possible, ground troops are sent.

noob arabs and hitler done it wrong and now they are a headache (Jews)

At 8/19/10 01:00 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:45 AM, Warforger wrote: So the bold and always justified Israel decides the best solution is to kill everyone at the school to make sure all the "terrorists" are dead, instead of you know, assaulting it with ground troops. Is the Israeli military ran by Rico Rodriguez or something? Whats their obsession with blowing shit up?

It's impossible to assault this "civilian" buildings, it is filled with traps and snipers. when it's possible, ground troops are sent.

So the best course of action is to blow up the building. Again, does Rico Rodriguez run the Israeli military or do your commanders just play too much Just Cause 2?

At 8/19/10 01:00 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:45 AM, Warforger wrote: So the bold and always justified Israel decides the best solution is to kill everyone at the school to make sure all the "terrorists" are dead, instead of you know, assaulting it with ground troops. Is the Israeli military ran by Rico Rodriguez or something? Whats their obsession with blowing shit up?

It's impossible to assault this "civilian" buildings, it is filled with traps and snipers. when it's possible, ground troops are sent.

I heard they had a giant box with a stick under it in one of the schools they blew up.

Seriously, a small group of well trained troops could storm a building like that. Any traps would be fairly crude, maybe a sucide-bomb device. I'd like to see evidence of vicious Hamas winning sniper battles and booby trapping the IDF.

The UN are generaly assignign Peace-Keeping forces to protect UN staff, they can't get physicaly involved in the war because they'd have to have unanimous UN support. This "ignoring" crap is basicly some school teachers and a dozen troops saying "Let's get the fuck out of here.".

At 8/19/10 11:26 AM, Chris-V2 wrote:

At 8/19/10 01:00 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:45 AM, Warforger wrote: So the bold and always justified Israel decides the best solution is to kill everyone at the school to make sure all the "terrorists" are dead, instead of you know, assaulting it with ground troops. Is the Israeli military ran by Rico Rodriguez or something? Whats their obsession with blowing shit up?

It's impossible to assault this "civilian" buildings, it is filled with traps and snipers. when it's possible, ground troops are sent.

I heard they had a giant box with a stick under it in one of the schools they blew up.

where?

Seriously, a small group of well trained troops could storm a building like that. Any traps would be fairly crude, maybe a sucide-bomb device. I'd like to see evidence of vicious Hamas winning sniper battles and booby trapping the IDF.

You won't see because our army is too experienced.

The UN are generaly assignign Peace-Keeping forces to protect UN staff, they can't get physicaly involved in the war because they'd have to have unanimous UN support. This "ignoring" crap is basicly some school teachers and a dozen troops saying "Let's get the fuck out of here.".

and they can't prevent hizbullah from arming themselves, can they do something? the UN assumption is that Peace-Keeping will keep peace and won't let civilians' houses being turned into armories and bunkers.

At 8/19/10 11:01 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 8/19/10 01:00 AM, satanbrain wrote: It's impossible to assault this "civilian" buildings, it is filled with traps and snipers. when it's possible, ground troops are sent.

So the best course of action is to blow up the building.

if they don't stop shooting rockets on Sderot, yes.

At 8/19/10 12:10 PM, satanbrain wrote:

where?

...You're dumb.

You won't see because our army is too experienced.

If they're so experience, then why blow up the buildings?

and they can't prevent hizbullah from arming themselves, can they do something? the UN assumption is that Peace-Keeping will keep peace and won't let civilians' houses being turned into armories and bunkers.

The same reason the wont stop civilian houses being bombed and bulldozed by the IDF. You have to stop considering them a potential military factor in the situation because they wont be.

At 8/19/10 12:36 PM, Chris-V2 wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:10 PM, satanbrain wrote:

where?

...You're dumb.

You won't see because our army is too experienced.

If they're so experience, then why blow up the buildings?

because these buildings are threats.

At 8/19/10 02:04 PM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:36 PM, Chris-V2 wrote:

At 8/19/10 12:10 PM, satanbrain wrote:

where?

...You're dumb.

You won't see because our army is too experienced.

If they're so experience, then why blow up the buildings?

because these buildings are threats.

So either Palestine is full of evil, menacing buildings or Hamas only occupy derelict building with serious structural problems?

At 8/19/10 02:10 PM, Chris-V2 wrote: So either Palestine is full of evil, menacing buildings or Hamas only occupy derelict building with serious structural problems?

Hamas occupy derelict buildings. what's new?

At 8/19/10 02:58 PM, satanbrain wrote:

At 8/19/10 02:10 PM, Chris-V2 wrote: So either Palestine is full of evil, menacing buildings or Hamas only occupy derelict building with serious structural problems?

Hamas occupy derelict buildings. what's new?

The UN owning derelic building is certainly a new twist.