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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 04:29 PM Reply

Newgrounds Art Forum: A cheap alternative instead of enrolling on art school. Even the teachers (posters) sound and look so professional.

Why enroll to an art school if there is a place where you could learn art, FREE?

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 04:34 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 04:29 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: Newgrounds Art Forum: A cheap alternative instead of enrolling on art school. Even the teachers (posters) sound and look so professional.
Why enroll to an art school if there is a place where you could learn art, FREE?

damn it why did no one tell me this o.0....
although I don't think any one here could have taught me 3D animation... :P

and even if they did I would be using blender.... which is crap for animation lol

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 04:37 PM Reply

Hahahahahahaha! I mean I was the only one noticing that you gave Bob art lessons? Bob's one lucky user. You really do sound like a teacher Kinsei.

A pretty damn good one too.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 04:45 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 04:37 PM, Fifty-50 wrote: Hahahahahahaha! I mean I was the only one noticing that you gave Bob art lessons? Bob's one lucky user. You really do sound like a teacher Kinsei.
A pretty damn good one too.

lol thanks, I guess I figure we all should help each other from time to time. and if I'm and good, it's cause my teachers were good....

one of them was a Lovcraft Hobbiest o.0.... he sculpted Cthulhu.... that man is a god lol

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 07:30 PM Reply

I like big butts and I cannot lie? No everything you have said I either knew or would have figured out on my own. Differance being though it would take longer and most likely would not come out as nice. But I am a quick study (exept for lips) Yes I am pretty lucky that Kensei is helping me. I was expecting more "U suck, I ken dooz betterz" Lol.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 07:41 PM Reply

Homework's done Gimme an "A"

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 08:41 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 07:30 PM, MajesticBob wrote: I like big butts and I cannot lie? No everything you have said I either knew or would have figured out on my own. Differance being though it would take longer and most likely would not come out as nice.

Yeah that is one thing I learned was that having some one help you point the mistakes out and how to fix them always helps speed up the process. Sadly though this is where things will slow down a lot. You are a quick study and have picked up on my advice very rapidly, but other than the hair I wanna discuss, a lot of it will be practice. Long. Continuous. Practice.
Don't forget to ask around while you practice though, different artist will start to give you different views and techniques to use. So in art knowledge truly is power.

I was expecting more "U suck, I ken dooz betterz" Lol.

Well I do hate to break expectations, so I'm sure we can get Joe The Toucan in here :P

j/k lol

Ok on to the hair. Let me Save my 3D project real quick and get Illustrator and Photoshop open.

When drawing, hair is usually one of the last things added this allows you to see where things are going to be before going threw the complicated mess that hair is. Some artist place a couple rough markers to know where the hair is going to go. Again like most methods after you start to master your skills you will need less and less markers to get it right. Although after you have mastered your skills don't be afraid to return to the basics for complicated pieces and to keep fresh on the basics.

These little tutorials are definitely making me remember mine. lol

Ok as you can see here in the teal color I have prepared a couple of quick draft skulls, one imposed over your drawing in the head on view and the second in a a profile view off to the right.
Hair usually has some sort of volume to it, but when wet, it falls very flat and sticks to the body, to each other, and to the wall if your clumsy enough.
In purple I have outlined a average hair line. This does vary from person to person depending on the look you want, but you can pencil in one on a bald head pretty easily with out much effort to know where the hair should begin.
Having the hair line can also help you keep in mind the rotation of the head.

After the skull is drawn and the hair line is penciled in you can start to think about the hair style you want.
As I mentioned before, wet hair clings, so go ahead and push the hair closer to the head. You have this one part on her left side that makes it look like she just got out of bed and has a make out session with a cowlick.
long hair is typically heavy too. So having it pulling down helps too.

Don't forget that long hair that is just draped as such some what has a part. Take a look at the head on view off to the right. There at the top I have placed a small dip in the "Dome" of the hair. It looks like this cause a part in the hair had to fall somewhere.

You could draw each strand of hair if you want, but I don't think going crazy is on the syllabus. So I'm sure as you have read before since your already doing it, draw the hair in sections. So I really don't have to go over this.

In red

See you are already bring skills to the table.

The last thing I can truly offer on hair is the highlights. Wet hair shines. so really get those highlights out there.
On line art you really cannot see it with out outlining it, but then that looks weird, so if you shade or color this, keep it in mind.

a few last things I would like to point out, indicated by the bright red arrows. These will most likely disappear when coloring or shading. These will most likely be points of shadows or highlights.
I'm not saying there anything wrong with them as of this moment, but it is another thing you may want to keep in mind if you finish rendering this.

Line weight is something I gotta have a word about. The best way for me to explain about line weight is to mention the thickness of the line. On your drawing, the lines remain the same width threw out the drawing. This is a very common problem with drawing on a computer, especially if you are using a mouse, I know cause I get slammed about it all the time. So don't feel too bad about it. Basically you need to have the line change it's weight threw out the drawing. I placed a rough example off to the side to the tutorial.

Well That is about it. Now go practice....

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 08:46 PM Reply

is it bad that even I'm shocked as hell I put out a tut that long?....o.o....


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 09:00 PM Reply

I do have to practice line weight. However it is constant through out the pic because most of the lines will be gone. i'm going for a color style akin to 6-Teen, Stoked, and Samurai Jack. The art style is a cross between the first two shows mentioned and anime. Hence I said to trust me on the eyes. For hair who said she's getting OUT of the shower? The make out look was intentional as she's trying to invite the fun to continue in the IN the shower. The towel, which throws off intent is there because I suck at drawing hands. Originally she had a hand covering her whoo-whoo. But I decided to be classy and have a towel instead. The room is going to be modeled after a "motel6" sort of look. Maybe I got too industrious with the single pane no word story shot, but I'm a dreamer dammit. Knowing my intent now, is the hair really that bad or is it ok? I was going for good girl being bad or in this case badder sort of vibe. I felt I should have explained that. If I was going for post shower you'd be 10000% correct. I do have some sort of plan in me noggin lol.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 09:04 PM Reply

ok now that I know this is pre-shower not post-shower the yeah the hair is s little better, but be careful of the ends they are fraying a bit too much , they need to be more flowing, less tongue in the toaster...


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 09:31 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 09:04 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: ok now that I know this is pre-shower not post-shower the yeah the hair is s little better, but be careful of the ends they are fraying a bit too much , they need to be more flowing, less tongue in the toaster...

What if it was REEEALLY good sex? The kind that cramps your toes?

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 09:40 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 09:31 PM, MajesticBob wrote:
At 5/31/10 09:04 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: ok now that I know this is pre-shower not post-shower the yeah the hair is s little better, but be careful of the ends they are fraying a bit too much , they need to be more flowing, less tongue in the toaster...
What if it was REEEALLY good sex? The kind that cramps your toes?

well... then it would probably muss the rest of the hair, but even the messy ends would probably have some uniformity to them...


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 09:59 PM Reply

How's this?

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:05 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 09:59 PM, MajesticBob wrote: How's this?

getting there. don't forget to adjust those eyes eventually.


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:08 PM Reply

The hell? must of done the wrong file. Hold while your call is being connected.... Gimp is being retarded.... Better. Fixed the retardation problem.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:20 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 10:08 PM, MajesticBob wrote: The hell? must of done the wrong file. Hold while your call is being connected.... Gimp is being retarded.... Better. Fixed the retardation problem.

lol I have had issues with up loading the wrong pic.
I sent My doubles partner the wrong picture 3 different times


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:26 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 10:20 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 5/31/10 10:08 PM, MajesticBob wrote: The hell? must of done the wrong file. Hold while your call is being connected.... Gimp is being retarded.... Better. Fixed the retardation problem.
lol I have had issues with up loading the wrong pic.
I sent My doubles partner the wrong picture 3 different times

Yeah and you were being nice saying I was getting there when I posted an unchanged pic lol.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:35 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 10:26 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Yeah and you were being nice saying I was getting there when I posted an unchanged pic lol.

thats cause I didn't want to be mean and yell at you for not fixing the hair :P


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:37 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 10:35 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 5/31/10 10:26 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Yeah and you were being nice saying I was getting there when I posted an unchanged pic lol.
thats cause I didn't want to be mean and yell at you for not fixing the hair :P

Well then, what's next teach?

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread May. 31st, 2010 @ 10:46 PM Reply

At 5/31/10 10:37 PM, MajesticBob wrote:
At 5/31/10 10:35 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
At 5/31/10 10:26 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Yeah and you were being nice saying I was getting there when I posted an unchanged pic lol.
thats cause I didn't want to be mean and yell at you for not fixing the hair :P
Well then, what's next teach?

well... you said you wanted to handle the eyes and it seems you have some ambition for completing the scene. So add more of what you were talking about and we'll see from there.


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 05:14 AM Reply

ok i think youre dwelling on one picture for too long, you need to move on, staring at the same thing isnt going to help, use what youve learned here on a new picture, probably a complete redraw of that one

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 10:53 AM Reply

At 6/1/10 05:14 AM, Ashman wrote: ok i think youre dwelling on one picture for too long, you need to move on, staring at the same thing isnt going to help, use what youve learned here on a new picture, probably a complete redraw of that one

It has been redrawn a couple of times. It's not dwelling, I work slow. I'll post some other things to break the tedium later.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:07 PM Reply

Practice WIP, to change things up for Ashman. I used a reference *Porn* pic. I cheated a little. I framed up arond the pic to see where the proportions should be. It feels too much like a trace. I feel dirty. However some good came from it. I got some prospective on line weight. Once I started drawing it look chunky so I went back and thinned out the lines. It's good for practice but I'm unhappy with it. I wanted to just get a basic frame but ended up tracing more than anything. I went back and erased a lot almost all the starting lines and redrew them without the ref pic, but It still felt like I was tracing. I never like ref pics. Feels like I'm copying not drawing. So like I said practice. Unhappy. Blargh.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:08 PM Reply

Her eyes are supposed to be closed BTW.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:17 PM Reply

At 6/1/10 11:08 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Her eyes are supposed to be closed BTW.

Yes, I can see that. Pretty awesome, it's an improvement. The second piece of the girl, I mean.


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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:23 PM Reply

At 6/1/10 11:17 PM, Fifty-50 wrote:
At 6/1/10 11:08 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Her eyes are supposed to be closed BTW.
Yes, I can see that. Pretty awesome, it's an improvement. The second piece of the girl, I mean.

Like I said it felt too much like a trace. I never should have made a frame from the ref pic. If you impose it over the ref pic it fits too well, I cheated even though I had good intentions and was trying to figure out proportions I feel like a dirty whore. At least the first girl was all from my bed pan.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:25 PM Reply

Make sure you fix up your lines Bob.
Right now, they're all kinda jagged and straight, they need to be more curvy and smooth.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 1st, 2010 @ 11:27 PM Reply

At 6/1/10 11:25 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Make sure you fix up your lines Bob.
Right now, they're all kinda jagged and straight, they need to be more curvy and smooth.

I'm scrapping that one. It just doesn't feel right.

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 12:10 AM Reply

Look a Dragon WIP

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Response to Majestic Bob's thread Jun. 3rd, 2010 @ 01:11 AM Reply

No art updates today. Feeling sick and terribly lazy and watching my friend get a web redemption on Tosh.0 and yes that Larp in the video is the same one I help run.