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At 3/29/04 07:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: No of course not, but it's something to consider.

No it wouldn't - it'd be economic, political and social suicide for America to close their borders.

The Hispanic immigrants will change the U.S, but is the U.S ready?

Yes.

Is the U.S really better off?

Yes.

In the future, will it be los Estados Unidos de America? or will it be "America, es de nueva estado de Mexico" I certainly hope not.

No, it will be "The United States of America"

What a whiner. If you think it sucks, don't accept it for yourself. But that doesn't mean we don't have our own culture.

At 3/29/04 07:43 PM, ZestySkvnk wrote: No it wouldn't - it'd be economic, political and social suicide for America to close their borders.

You're absolutely right, when i said "it's something to consider" i meant the idea that immigrants are changing the U.S is something to consider.

The Hispanic immigrants will change the U.S, but is the U.S ready?

Yes.

That's kind of a generalization.

Is the U.S really better off?

Yes.

Really? How so?

In the future, will it be los Estados Unidos de America? or will it be "America, es de nueva estado de Mexico" I certainly hope not.

No, it will be "The United States of America"

Not if the Hispanic immigrants who don't accept America's culture become the majority. That's why I made this thread.

At 3/29/04 07:47 PM, exsanguination wrote: What a whiner. If you think it sucks, don't accept it for yourself. But that doesn't mean we don't have our own culture.

What? Could you reword that?

At 3/29/04 08:33 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: That's kind of a generalization.

So is every sentence you've written on this topic.

Really? How so?

They're lawabiding people who want jobs and a happy, peaceful life.

oOOOoooo. Overgeneralization? Yeah. So is "they don't accept our culture" or whatever.

No, it will be "The United States of America"

Not if the Hispanic immigrants who don't accept America's culture become the majority. That's why I made this thread.

They're not becoming the majority.

At 3/29/04 07:09 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: they were forced to learn the common language

No, they gleefully banned the Native's languages and beliefs until the 1950s. Not to mention the genocides and all.

At 3/28/04 12:45 PM, Ruination wrote: We take people whith NO education, NO skills and with NOTHING to contribute to our society. They will suck our resources dry ( healthcare, medicare, social security, welfare, etc.).

NOT true. These immigrants work hard, and only because of their presence will we be able to come close to affording social security and other social programs. Mexicans are the hardest-working group of people I know, and if anything they (and other immigrant groups) will contribute to our society more than they will ever take.

At 3/29/04 08:56 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote:.

So is every sentence you've written on this topic.

Except that I've acknowledged that some immigrants DO join the American mainstream culture.

They're lawabiding people who want jobs and a happy, peaceful life.

Very true, but what about the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.?

oOOOoooo. Overgeneralization? Yeah. So is "they don't accept our culture" or whatever.

Some do accept our culture.

No, it will be "The United States of America"

Not if the Hispanic immigrants who don't accept America's culture become the majority. That's why I made this thread.

They're not becoming the majority.

Oh really? You should research the issue.

At 3/29/04 09:18 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/29/04 07:09 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: they were forced to learn the common language

No, they gleefully banned the Native's languages and beliefs until the 1950s. Not to mention the genocides and all.

I was referring to English, because it was the commonly spoken language, but not the most common NATIVE language.

Again with the Native Americans, look, I agree what our ancestors did to the Natives was wrong, but there isn't much we can do to change the past now is there?

At 3/30/04 07:07 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Except that I've acknowledged that some immigrants DO join the American mainstream culture.

You're still overgeneralizing. It's an overgeneralization if someone says "nearly all black people eat fried chicken and corn every week". You're purposely underrepresenting the (I'd say) majority of Hispanics who come and embrace American culture while still remembering and respecting their own.

Very true, but what about the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.?

What about them? They are mostly law-abiding too, besides the fact they crossed the border. Also - they are a minority.

Some do accept our culture.

*shrug* most do.

They're not becoming the majority.

Oh really? You should research the issue.

Perhaps you need to research the total population of America. 270 million and growing. There are more people having children in the US than there are immigrants arriving (current estimates for future growth take into account a million new immigrants a year).

At 3/30/04 07:12 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: You're still overgeneralizing. It's an overgeneralization if someone says "nearly all black people eat fried chicken and corn every week". You're purposely underrepresenting the (I'd say) majority of Hispanics who come and embrace American culture while still remembering and respecting their own.

Wrong, only about 8% of all immigrants speak english even in their own homes. Review some of my early posts and you'll see some other info.

What about them? They are mostly law-abiding too, besides the fact they crossed the border. Also - they are a minority.

They not only don't pay taxes and steal our health care and welfare, but are in violation of our immigration laws and should be deported.

*shrug* most do.

They accept American jobs and American economic success but reject our culture.

They're not becoming the majority.

Are you aware that the U.S census recentley released info stating that by 2050 c.e , the amount of Hispanics in the country will triple?

Perhaps you need to research the total population of America. 270 million and growing. There are more people having children in the US than there are immigrants arriving (current estimates for future growth take into account a million new immigrants a year).

The immigrants have much more children than the current citizens do, another U.S census research result.

At 3/28/04 01:51 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/28/04 12:45 PM, Ruination wrote: We take people whith NO education, NO skills and with NOTHING to contribute to our society. They will suck our resources dry ( healthcare, medicare, social security, welfare, etc.).

Go read a history book.

I'm sorry for sounding a little discriminatory here, but people coming from the stinking rot holes of Haiti aren't very industrious.

ok mr ice you made keep making comments about how hispanic's specificly Mexicans dont acept american culture i find this consept a bit amusing because if your going to argue on the issue of culture, what specific culture of america are you going to talk about we have a culture that is unique to the south a culture that is unique to large urban areas, we have a culuture unique to the south west and a culture unique to the mid west and ther rust belt so which culture is it going to be that you empisize that these people partake in? and via your complaint i myself would cause you problems seen as i dont partake in what most would call part of american culture and i dont intend to and im a 3rd generation russian hungarian imigrent to be specific who calls himself an american who conciders himself to be an anti pop goth/rivit head so do i get thrown out of the us even though i grew up here and lived all my life hear because i dont want to be part of the american culture or cultures

sorry for grammer errors and the uber long sentinces.

At 3/30/04 07:33 PM, _Thanatopsis_ wrote: ok mr ice you made keep making comments about how hispanic's specificly Mexicans dont acept american culture i find this consept a bit amusing because if your going to argue on the issue of culture, what specific culture of america are you going to talk about we have a culture that is unique to the south a culture that is unique to large urban areas, we have a culuture unique to the south west and a culture unique to the mid west and ther rust belt so which culture is it going to be that you empisize that these people partake in? and via your complaint i myself would cause you problems seen as i dont partake in what most would call part of american culture and i dont intend to and im a 3rd generation russian hungarian imigrent to be specific who calls himself an american who conciders himself to be an anti pop goth/rivit head so do i get thrown out of the us even though i grew up here and lived all my life hear because i dont want to be part of the american culture or cultures

sorry for grammer errors and the uber long sentinces.

The culture that the Hispanic immigrants reject is the "American Melting Pot" they are remaining seperate from the mainstream culture. They, unlike earlier immigrant groups aren't blending with other cultures, they don't speak our majority language, they don't celebrate our national holidays (like July 4th for example) and they don't give a shit about the American values. They instead remain a seperate society within our own country.

At 3/30/04 07:48 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

The culture that the Hispanic immigrants reject is the "American Melting Pot" they are remaining seperate from the mainstream culture. They, unlike earlier immigrant groups aren't blending with other cultures, they don't speak our majority language, they don't celebrate our national holidays (like July 4th for example) and they don't give a shit about the American values. They instead remain a seperate society within our own country.

ok i didn't make my point clear neather do i the only thing that i do that they dont is speek the language i dont care that july 4th is the day that america became independent of the british i dont care for pop music i dont like consumerism which is part of american culutre and always has been, i dont like the idea that american have were everything above and beyond should be rewarded or that they are entitled to spechial recognition for nothing more than existing i dont like the idea of the fast paced life and the idea of sucsess over happyness is apuling to me also, and all of these things are part of what makes up a large portion of american culture no mater were you go the food, dress, aceptable behavior, language (yes language) all changes from region to region. not to mention that i dont hear you complaining about Asian imigrents who do the same thing i dont hear you complaining about european imigrents who do the same thing, only people of latian decent are you complaining about.

At 3/30/04 07:27 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Wrong, only about 8% of all immigrants speak english even in their own homes. Review some of my early posts and you'll see some other info.

You never provided a source, and also the info that I have checked from you has been totally wrong. I'm the only one who has provided sources throughout this topic.

They not only don't pay taxes and steal our health care and welfare

Illegal immigrants don't get welfare. You need a social security card, etc., to get welfare.

They accept American jobs and American economic success but reject our culture.

Naw. You have yet to provide any credible source that they reject 'our culture'.

Are you aware that the U.S census recentley released info stating that by 2050 c.e , the amount of Hispanics in the country will triple?

That still wouldn't make them a majority. You're proving yourself wrong.

The immigrants have much more children than the current citizens do, another U.S census research result.

You never provided a source, and I just did the old census routine for another topic. I'm not about to go do it again so soon. Provide sources for godsake.

At 3/30/04 07:32 PM, Ruination wrote: I'm sorry for sounding a little discriminatory here, but people coming from the stinking rot holes of Haiti aren't very industrious.

So. What's your proof of this?

Irregardless, we're turning Haitian refugees away by the droves. Similar to European Jews in the '30's and '40's....

They, unlike earlier immigrant groups aren't blending with other cultures

You have yet to prove this. And none of the recent immigrants in times past willingly joined other cultures immediately. They stayed together, in groups. You had an Irish borough in a city, you had the German borough, you had the Chinese borough. this is nothing new. You're missing that point.

they don't speak our majority language,

I've yet to see proof of this.

they don't celebrate our national holidays (like July 4th for example) and they don't give a shit about the American values.

What's your proof of this? Broad generalizations again? Your entire argument is based on lies, overgeneralizations, and skewed facts.

At 3/30/04 08:17 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: What's your proof of this? Broad generalizations again? Your entire argument is based on lies, overgeneralizations, and skewed facts.

Lets see, Businessweek Magazine, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, and the U.S census burea.

At 3/30/04 08:30 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Lets see, Businessweek Magazine, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, and the U.S census burea.

see . how . links work?

At 3/30/04 07:10 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Again with the Native Americans, look, I agree what our ancestors did to the Natives was wrong, but there isn't much we can do to change the past now is there?

No, but why would you want to change the future?

The english took over and there's nothing wrong within America is there? (compared to other colonies)

At 3/30/04 07:32 PM, Ruination wrote: I'm sorry for sounding a little discriminatory here, but people coming from the stinking rot holes of Haiti aren't very industrious.

On what fact are you basing this claim?

At 3/30/04 08:17 PM, RoteStinktier wrote:

At 3/30/04 07:27 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Wrong, only about 8% of all immigrants speak english even in their own homes. Review some of my early posts and you'll see some other info.

You never provided a source, and also the info that I have checked from you has been totally wrong. I'm the only one who has provided sources throughout this topic.

Well, saying that my friend is French, and he only speaks french to his family, I would say that he is about right saying that 8% of immigrants that come into this country only speak their native languages in their home.

They not only don't pay taxes and steal our health care and welfare

Illegal immigrants don't get welfare. You need a social security card, etc., to get welfare.

But yet to deport them it costs a bundle for us, I'll get a source if you need be.

This part is speculation. Wouldn't they get welfare if they came into this country and had a child? I think then they would be eligible for welfare since they are the parents of a US citizen.

They accept American jobs and American economic success but reject our culture.

Naw. You have yet to provide any credible source that they reject 'our culture'.

Do you need prove that the earth is down and the sky is up? If you are around mainly the mexicans you will see they are keeping their Mexican nationality strong. They are not assimilating like other immigrants that have come into this country. If they don't assimilate, then we are end up going to have a situation like the Balkans. If they do, then we need not worry.

Are you aware that the U.S census recentley released info stating that by 2050 c.e , the amount of Hispanics in the country will triple?

That still wouldn't make them a majority. You're proving yourself wrong.

It'd make them larger than the black population and asian population combined.

The immigrants have much more children than the current citizens do, another U.S census research result.

You never provided a source, and I just did the old census routine for another topic. I'm not about to go do it again so soon. Provide sources for godsake.

This I'd have to agree with whoever is always the second quote. I mean Catholics fuck like crazy. This family has 9 children and probably another one coming.

At 3/30/04 07:32 PM, Ruination wrote: I'm sorry for sounding a little discriminatory here, but people coming from the stinking rot holes of Haiti aren't very industrious.

So. What's your proof of this?

Irregardless, we're turning Haitian refugees away by the droves. Similar to European Jews in the '30's and '40's....

Really dude, why make this comparison between Jews and Haitians? History in that part will not repeat itself.

At 3/31/04 05:56 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/30/04 07:32 PM, Ruination wrote: I'm sorry for sounding a little discriminatory here, but people coming from the stinking rot holes of Haiti aren't very industrious.

On what fact are you basing this claim?

On my own person experience. My city is beginning to look like some hole in the ground thanks to them. Our government is too weak to admit they made a mistake in letting such a group in. Most of them simply live the rest of their lives feeding off of our welfare system, raising their children to do the same. The majority of petty crimes in my region is attributed to them. Its a spreading cancer.

At 3/31/04 06:09 PM, Ruination wrote: On my own person experience. My city is beginning to look like some hole in the ground thanks to them. Our government is too weak to admit they made a mistake in letting such a group in. Most of them simply live the rest of their lives feeding off of our welfare system, raising their children to do the same. The majority of petty crimes in my region is attributed to them. Its a spreading cancer.

But that there is generalization. Sure some do that, but a lot of the mexicans are hard workers. Imagine laying grass down at 100+ degrees with 80% humidity. They go along with their job without arguing, unlike most white people. Some, yes some, do cheat the system with welfare but not all of them, and it seems your state needs to improvise the welfare system since it isn't working that well if people are able to use it like that.

Haitians, not mexicans Raven. Mexicans are descendants of civilized people, at least.

At 3/31/04 06:16 PM, Ruination wrote: Haitians, not mexicans Raven. Mexicans are descendants of civilized people, at least.

Oh, my bad, I thought you guys were still talking about mexicans. As for Haitians, I don't know anything about them and their habits once they immigrate into the US.

At 3/31/04 06:08 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Well, saying that my friend is French, and he only speaks french to his family, I would say that he is about right saying that 8% of immigrants that come into this country only speak their native languages in their home.

That's what I mean, only 8% speak English all the time.

But yet to deport them it costs a bundle for us, I'll get a source if you need be.

True, so perhaps we just need more strict border patrol?

This part is speculation. Wouldn't they get welfare if they came into this country and had a child? I think then they would be eligible for welfare since they are the parents of a US citizen.

That's how so many illegal immigrants get into the country and don't have to pay taxes.

Do you need prove that the earth is down and the sky is up? If you are around mainly the mexicans you will see they are keeping their Mexican nationality strong. They are not assimilating like other immigrants that have come into this country. If they don't assimilate, then we are end up going to have a situation like the Balkans. If they do, then we need not worry.

Finally someone who agrees with me. I to live in an area where many Latin-American immigrants come to, and I can conclude that they still consider themselves to be Mexican, Cuban, Brazilian etc.

It'd make them larger than the black population and asian population combined.

True, not to mention that they are growing so fast in just 50 years, what about 100 years? 150 years?

This I'd have to agree with whoever is always the second quote. I mean Catholics fuck like crazy. This family has 9 children and probably another one coming.

So many do have more children than Latinos, but on average they have about 4 children compared to 2-3 children. This is direct info from the U.S census burea.

At 3/31/04 06:09 PM, Ruination wrote: On my own person experience.

Your personal experience can only represent what you've experienced, not the state of the nation.

Its a spreading cancer.

Trailer trash, on the other hand, are a clean and industrious people whose unemployment rate hovers below the 2% mark and are all law-abiding citizens who would never beat their wife, engage in incest or produce moonshine.

IceWraith, should Saint-Patrick's day be banned?

At 3/31/04 07:37 PM, CrassClock wrote: IceWraith, should Saint-Patrick's day be banned?

Yes. it's not an American holiday. Irish should also be deported.

At 3/31/04 10:10 PM, RoteStinktier wrote:

At 3/31/04 07:37 PM, CrassClock wrote: IceWraith, should Saint-Patrick's day be banned?

Yes. it's not an American holiday. Irish should also be deported.

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