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At 3/22/04 08:11 PM, crass_clock wrote: IceWraith15, do you know what America is?

I'll answer my own question, it's the land of immigrants.

First the Natives immigrated (or so it would seem), then the Spaniards, then the English and then the French and then the rest of them.

America didn't set an example in respecting the culture and language of the land of the people you're immigrating into, so why should today's immigrants be any different?

It'd be the American way. ^_^ </flag>

Im getting pretty fucking tired of listening to your ignorance IceWraith(whatever the fuck that is). First off, its immigrants, not "imagrant" like you like to spell it. Second, stop using the same damm arguments over and over again! Its driving crazy to see that you write the same thing every second post. Who give's a damm if mexicans dosen't celebrate Inedependance day, an american victory? And its sure as hell they won't celebrate the Alamo. Lastly, do you like Mexico as a country? I'd really like to have your opinion on them (the non hating, overly retarded one).

At 3/24/04 04:58 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Im getting pretty fucking tired of listening to your ignorance IceWraith(whatever the fuck that is). First off, its immigrants, not "imagrant" like you like to spell it.

Man, this is an online politics forum, I don't usually edit my posts to get rid of spelling errors. (Nobody likes being inspected that closely.)

:Second, stop using the same damm arguments over and over again! Its driving crazy to see that you write the same thing every second post. Who give's a damm if mexicans dosen't celebrate Inedependance day, an american victory?

Citizens of Mexico don't have to celebrate July 4th, that wasn't what my posts said. I was protesting against IMMIGRANTS who claim to be American citizens and don't celebrate July 4th as an example of how Latin-American immigrants don't except American Culture.

:And its sure as hell they won't celebrate the Alamo. Lastly, do you like Mexico as a country? I'd really like to have your opinion on them (the non hating, overly retarded one).

First of all, What the hell crawled up your ass and died? You need to take zoloft or something. And also, I only reposted that page of information once because clearly people weren't responding or reading it.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MEXICO. For the fifth time.....
I don't like the immigrants (not ALL immigrants do this) who refuse to join the melting pot.

At 3/23/04 09:22 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

:: God damn it! You said you were going to stop lying! People of Mexican descent are only 21.6m in the US! According to the 2000 US census. You bastard!

Actually, you bastard YOU are lying. There are 40 MILLION. I have checked at least 3 Sources (Time magazine, Businessweek Magazine, AND the news) They all have said 40 Million, (well, actually closer to 39.9 million).

FOR THE LAST TIME.....

I was not lying, I was presenting direct citations from a source, if I know they were wrong, I wouldn't have posted them. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE WRONG.

At 3/24/04 06:56 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:
Man, this is an online politics forum, I don't usually edit my posts to get rid of spelling errors. (Nobody likes being inspected that closely.)

You spelled it imagrant every time before I pointed this out to you.

Citizens of Mexico don't have to celebrate July 4th, that wasn't what my posts said. I was protesting against IMMIGRANTS who claim to be American citizens and don't celebrate July 4th as an example of how Latin-American immigrants don't except American Culture.

Hurrah for crazy rambling!

I only reposted that page of information once because clearly people weren't responding or reading it.

Oh yeah, only once. Thank god you posted it twice so I wouldn't miss it.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MEXICO. For the fifth time.....
I don't like the immigrants (not ALL immigrants do this) who refuse to join the melting pot.

Please give me your definition of melting pot.

At 3/23/04 09:36 PM, The_Someone wrote: Well, I think we should all thank Wraith for being our little pin cushion and bringing up this argument. And please, don't call him an asshole because of his opinion.

THANK YOU....Finally someone with a little tolerance for an opinion.

Did we give a donkey fuck when we invaded native americans? Don't think so...

America's culture isn't even a very solid one. If it was, it would quickly overwhelm immigrants and force them to it. I believe it is their right by the constitution to pursue whatever beliefs they have.

That's very true, you do have to consider the changes they are bringing to the United States.

Christmas is more of an american holiday than a christian holiday, but should we force the jews to give up hannukah because its not american tradition?

The idea of Christmas is Christian, but of course, their is an "American Christmas" and nobody should be forced into it. I just was refering to holidays like Independence day.

At 3/24/04 07:04 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 3/24/04 06:56 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

Citizens of Mexico don't have to celebrate July 4th, that wasn't what my posts said. I was protesting against IMMIGRANTS who claim to be American citizens and don't celebrate July 4th as an example of how Latin-American immigrants don't except American Culture.

Hurrah for crazy rambling!

You're just saying that because god forbid it's actually a good point and you don't know how to respond without giving me SOME credit.

I only reposted that page of information once because clearly people weren't responding or reading it.

Oh yeah, only once. Thank god you posted it twice so I wouldn't miss it.

Christ you need to chill out.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MEXICO. For the fifth time.....
I don't like the immigrants (not ALL immigrants do this) who refuse to join the melting pot.

Please give me your definition of melting pot.

The blending of cultures. This is seen in the United States when people of many cultures learn a common language, blend and exchange cultural ideas, and conduct greater interaction with people of different ethnicity. Basically, a giant cultural diffusion.

ok, since when did we start calling people out for spelling? As long as you get the general sound into the word, i could give a crap less how you spell immigrant. he wasn't spelling it, Emagrent, or some retarded shit like that, he only got two letters wrong.

"That's like calling double dribble on a retard who just picked up a basketball, you have to let some shit slide" -Chris Rock

At 3/24/04 07:14 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

Citizens of Mexico don't have to celebrate July 4th, that wasn't what my posts said. I was protesting against IMMIGRANTS who claim to be American citizens and don't celebrate July 4th as an example of how Latin-American immigrants don't except American Culture.

Hurrah for crazy rambling!

You're just saying that because god forbid it's actually a good point and you don't know how to respond without giving me SOME credit.

No, actually, your point was complete and utter bullshit. It was a poorly structured excuse for a paragraph that made as much sense as, well, as all the previous stuff you wrote. Why would an immigrant want to celebrate independance day anyways? What does it mean for him? Another excuse to get drunk, as do many other americans look at it? They don't have to accept american culture, you don't push false feelings for a country on someone, it has to be acquired.

At 3/24/04 07:17 PM, pierrot-le-fou wrote: ok, since when did we start calling people out for spelling? As long as you get the general sound into the word, i could give a crap less how you spell immigrant. he wasn't spelling it, Emagrent, or some retarded shit like that, he only got two letters wrong.

"That's like calling double dribble on a retard who just picked up a basketball, you have to let some shit slide" -Chris Rock

Yeah, sorry for that. Its just because I've been shitted on so many times for typos that I just have to pounce on every opportunity I have to get people back.

At 3/24/04 04:43 PM, crass_clock wrote:

At 3/22/04 08:11 PM, crass_clock wrote: IceWraith15, do you know what America is?

I'll answer my own question, it's the land of immigrants.

First the Natives immigrated (or so it would seem), then the Spaniards, then the English and then the French and then the rest of them.

America didn't set an example in respecting the culture and language of the land of the people you're immigrating into, so why should today's immigrants be any different?

It'd be the American way. ^_^ </flag>

You're right, I'm not denying that or undermining it, but the immigrant group in question is not diffusing with others and clinging to their native culture, causing the U.S to be come more and more like a latin-american nation.

At 3/24/04 07:25 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 3/24/04 07:14 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

No, actually, your point was complete and utter bullshit. It was a poorly structured excuse for a paragraph that made as much sense as, well, as all the previous stuff you wrote. Why would an immigrant want to celebrate independance day anyways? What does it mean for him? Another excuse to get drunk, as do many other americans look at it? They don't have to accept american culture, you don't push false feelings for a country on someone, it has to be acquired.

BULLSHIT? Don't you have ANY sense of RESPECT? "What does it mean for him?" My point exactly, they're not TRUE Americans. July 4th is a celebration of how the United States became a nation. I hope you won't critisize my response because I didn't spend 4 hours rewriting it. So what if it wasn't in paragraph? THIS IS AN ONLINE FORUM! Who gives about sentence structure? This is an exchange of opinion, if you can read what I write, then it's good enough.

At 3/24/04 07:32 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: You're right, I'm not denying that or undermining it, but the immigrant group in question is not diffusing with others and clinging to their native culture, causing the U.S to be come more and more like a latin-american nation.

Firstly, a statement like this is just asinine - you can't overgeneralize all Mexican immigrants coming into the US like that.

Secondly, there are not 40 million people of Mexican descent in the US. There are 40 million people of Hispanic descent.

You can't just switch it up there, using whatever numbers you like. You can't use the poor numbers of Mexicans with college degrees, then use the number for all Hispanics. I came across the point that Cuban immigrants for example have a much higher education generally than those from Mexico.

At 3/24/04 07:32 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: You're right, I'm not denying that or undermining it, but the immigrant group in question is not diffusing with others and clinging to their native culture, causing the U.S to be come more and more like a latin-american nation.

Is it reasonable to assume that we might be jubilant that our overall population, numbering perhaps 15 million at the outset of the European invasion, was reduced to less than a quarter-million by 1890?

Maybe we should be glad the "peaceful settlers" didn't kill the rest of us outright. But they didn't really need to, did they? By 1900, they already had 98 percent of our land. The remaining Indians were simply dumped in the mostly arid and unwanted locales, where it was confidently predicted that we'd shortly die off altogether, out of sight and mind of the settler society.

We haven't died off yet, but we comprise far and away the most impoverished, malnourished and disease-ridden population on the continent today. Life expectancy on many reservations is about 50 years; that of Euroamericans more than 75.

We've also endured a pattern of cultural genocide during the 20th century. Our children were processed for generations through government boarding schools designed to "kill the Indian" in every child's consciousness and to replace Native traditions with a "more enlightened" Euroamerican set of values and understandings.

Should we feel grateful for the disastrous self-concept thereby fostered within our kids?

Are we to be thankful that their self-esteem is still degraded every day on cable television by a constant bombardment of recycled Hollywood Westerns and television segments presenting Indians as absurd and utterly dehumanized caricatures?

Should we tell our children to find pride in the sorts of insults to which we are subjected to as a matter of course: Tumbleweeds cartoons, for instance, or the presence of Chief Wahoo and the Redskins in professional sports?

Does anybody really believe we should feel honored by such things, or by place names like Squaw Valley and Squaw Peak? "Squaw," after all, is the Onondaga word for female genitalia. The derogatory effect on Native women should be quite clear.

About three-quarters of all adult Indians suffer alcoholism and/or other forms of substance abuse. This is not a "genetic condition." It is a desperate, collective attempt to escape our horrible reality since "America's Triumph."

It's no mystery why Indians don't observe Thanksgiving. The real question is why do you feast rather than fast on what should be a national day of mourning and atonement.

Before digging into your turkey and dressing on Nov. 23, you might wish to glance in a mirror and see if you can come up with an answer. - Ward Churchill

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

At 3/24/04 07:37 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:
My point exactly, they're not TRUE Americans.

Lemme get this straight, you just admitted that you have a problem with all immigrants because they aren't "true" americans?

At 3/24/04 07:37 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: My point exactly, they're not TRUE Americans.

Meet a true American, Chief Sitting Bull.

Go back to Europe if you're not happy here you freedom-hater.

Nobody is a true american. The only true americans are the people who were there millions of years ago, but why would you care anuyway? A more intergrated society is a good thing.

At 3/25/04 11:16 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: people who were there millions of years ago,

so.... No one?

At 3/25/04 12:11 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/25/04 11:16 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: people who were there millions of years ago,

so.... No one?

Exactly.

At 3/25/04 12:26 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:
Exactly.

So the only "true" people to truly be fromthe region they live in are the Africans?

And Crass, you want a cooky song who shares the same opinion as you on the Indians? Check out "Indians" by King Missile. Their other songs are better, so don't get discouraged if you don't like that specific one, actually, I don't think you can even consider that a song.

Our border patrol is a fucking fence and two men.

At 3/25/04 05:05 PM, subpar wrote: Our border patrol is a fucking fence and two men.

Considering so many americans hate immigrants., don't you think the Government should be doing more to stop them getting in?

At 3/25/04 05:12 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Considering so many americans hate immigrants., don't you think the Government should be doing more to stop them getting in?

i dont mind immigrants!

At 3/24/04 09:18 PM, crass_clock wrote: (Little Story from some Churchill person)
Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

You can look at it two ways. That the mexicans are coming in just like the Europeans did and are going to take over the land forcing everyone else to go into the ghettoes. The other way, which doesn't really fit with the story because we are are not going into Mexico, is that we assimilate the mexicans(look up assimilate if you don't know what it is).

When presented with a problem, think of every aspect possible, even the side that you know you would never support.

At 3/24/04 09:09 PM, Red_Skank wrote:

:: Firstly, a statement like this is just asinine - you can't overgeneralize all Mexican immigrants coming into the US like that.

Secondly, there are not 40 million people of Mexican descent in the US. There are 40 million people of Hispanic descent.

You can't just switch it up there, using whatever numbers you like. You can't use the poor numbers of Mexicans with college degrees, then use the number for all Hispanics. I came across the point that Cuban immigrants for example have a much higher education generally than those from Mexico.

Very good point, stereotypes of any such are bad. The political correct term is "Hispanic" not Mexican, I'll make sure I don't use such stereotypes in the future.

At 3/24/04 09:18 PM, crass_clock wrote:

At 3/24/04 07:32 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

You are right about the Native Americans being forced out of their lands, that was wrong entirely.....but there's not much we can do about it now.

At 3/24/04 09:25 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 3/24/04 07:37 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:
My point exactly, they're not TRUE Americans.

Lemme get this straight, you just admitted that you have a problem with all immigrants because they aren't "true" americans?

When I said "True American" I was not referring to someone who is from the Geographic area, I meant a person who lives in the United States but doesn't care about it's history, values, or issues.

At 3/24/04 09:38 PM, crass_clock wrote:

At 3/24/04 07:37 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: My point exactly, they're not TRUE Americans.

Meet a true American, Chief Sitting Bull.

Geographically, you are absolutely correct, but when I said "American" I meant a citizen of the United States.

Go back to Europe if you're not happy here you freedom-hater.

I AM happy here, and I want my children to be happy here, and what makes you think I'm a "Freedom Hater?" I just don't want the United States to become a Spanish-Speaking nation.

At 3/25/04 07:36 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:
When I said "True American" I was not referring to someone who is from the Geographic area, I meant a person who lives in the United States but doesn't care about it's history, values, or issues.

So a true american is someone who dosen't care about the US?

Im confused.

You have no idea how funny it is to just look threw and read all these posts, IceWraith i think you got out argued and that you all need to continue posting so i can get more laughs.