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wouldn't it be cool if like, you had to go move to, like, Brazil, in the middle of the rainforest, miles from any city. and you got to run around with your fat white ass in a loin cloth?

BTW, speaking of your annonymous appearance, has anyone here noticed that on the internet everyone is a 250 lb college football player? isn't that strange?! :P

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At 3/22/04 09:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: the United States doesn't agree with the exploitation of Mexicans.

Uh.. Yes they do. Bush is allowing formerly undocumented workers to continue to work in America. Thus, they are able to live in squalid conditions in Mexico, and then come over to the US and work for bad pay and no benefits.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1440860.stm

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At 3/22/04 09:44 PM, Izuamoto wrote: has anyone here noticed that on the internet everyone is a 250 lb college football player?

For the record, I'm a 180lb, 6' vegan.

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At 3/22/04 08:11 PM, crass_clock wrote: IceWraith15, do you know what America is?

YES, and I see it disappearing. The Mexicans are coming in for the economic oppurtunity, but only a small percentage give a rat's ass about America.

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At 3/22/04 09:55 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

Why did you lie so badly about Mexico's unemployment? You didn't think anyone would call you on that? Why would anyone believe another word you type?

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At 3/22/04 09:40 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 09:35 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: they have a 50% unemployment rate

Uh.. Their unemployment rate is at 3.81 percent.
http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2004/02/19/rtr1268131.html

My mistake, their POVERTY rate is close to 50% from what I heard. What I do know is that they are very poor in Mexico.

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At 3/22/04 09:57 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 09:55 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

Why did you lie so badly about Mexico's unemployment? You didn't think anyone would call you on that? Why would anyone believe another word you type?

It wasn't a lie, it was a MISTAKE IN FACTS, besides, I meant to type the word POVERTY not UNEMPLOYMENT.

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At 3/22/04 09:47 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 09:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: the United States doesn't agree with the exploitation of Mexicans.

Uh.. Yes they do. Bush is allowing formerly undocumented workers to continue to work in America. Thus, they are able to live in squalid conditions in Mexico, and then come over to the US and work for bad pay and no benefits.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1440860.stm

True, but that is still the fault of the Corporations, and I agree that this is wrong. However, it is not the entire country's fault.

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At 3/22/04 10:11 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: My mistake, their POVERTY rate is close to 50% from what I heard. What I do know is that they are very poor in Mexico.

Uh.. No it's not. Mexico's national poverty rate is 10.1%
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/ECN/country_profiles/cp_ECN_122.htm

Stop lying, get grounded in reality.

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At 3/22/04 10:13 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

At 3/22/04 09:47 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 09:41 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: the United States doesn't agree with the exploitation of Mexicans.

As a policy of the US, basically acknoledging the exploitation of immigrant labor, I'd say the government and likewise the people are fairly complicit in it.

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At 3/22/04 09:13 PM, TumorCircus wrote: Jesus christ, Your short sighted as hell Icewraith, think about long term. In about 500 years, IF america is still around, (thats a big if) the descendents of these immigrants appearence's will be determined by the climate of where they live.

Actually, I AM LOOKING AHEAD! Why do you think I'm worried about this when it's affects won't become a problem until 2050 C.E?

Look, Mexican's are slightly brown. They got that way from living in the TROPICS. take the white people(like you) who live in the south (like you), speed up time a few hundred years and you get brown people!

Um...I don't live in the South, I live in NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. And also, you don't get brown in the Area of the United States, it's too far from the Equator.

Language!? Who give's a shit! Does it really matter how we communicate with each other? Technology is getting so advanced, that eventually the whole planet will be talking the same watered down language.

Good Point, but it's a matter of CULTURE.

Holidays?!?!? Who give's a shit! It is'nt like are holidays mean anything anyway... Halloween, Celtic mumbo jumbo. Christmas, I dont know, I hate jesus... thanksgiving... celebrate the short time that the english kind of coexisted with the natives before the slaughter. Valentines, Marketing scheme. St.patricks day, We celebrate alcohol and the color green... The only thing good about holidays is I dont have to go to work! So hurry up and bring your goddamn cinco de mayo!

What about July 4th?

You obviously don't give a shit about ANYTHING, you should change your screenname to "FUCKITALL"

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At 3/22/04 10:29 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:
Actually, I AM LOOKING AHEAD! Why do you think I'm worried about this when it's affects won't become a problem until 2050 C.E?
In the big picture, that's not very long term.

Um...I don't live in the South, I live in NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. And also, you don't get brown in the Area of the United States, it's too far from the Equator.

What color are native AMERICANS? asshole.

Good Point, but it's a matter of CULTURE.

We've been around for a little over 200 years, We have no culture

What about July 4th?
Yay! a holiday were we celebrate the break from our england masters by blowing off large pieces of our hands with explosives!

You obviously don't give a shit about ANYTHING, you should change your screenname to "FUCKITALL"

You obviously dont care about presenting the TRUTH, asshole. According to my research, you are 312% Douche bag!

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Sorry about screwing up the quotes, I just started drinking.

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At 3/22/04 10:18 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 10:11 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: My mistake, their POVERTY rate is close to 50% from what I heard. What I do know is that they are very poor in Mexico.

Uh.. No it's not. Mexico's national poverty rate is 10.1%
http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/ECN/country_profiles/cp_ECN_122.htm

Stop lying, get grounded in reality.

IT IS NOT A LIE!!! IT IS INNACCURACY!!! I DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FACTS!!!

Where did you hear this? I've heard from a number of sources that they have a 50% poverty rate. IT'S NOT A LIE!! IT'S WHAT I HEARD PEOPLE SAY!! Ok, so maybe those facts are wrong, but I do know immagrants who have said that there is no oppurtunity in Mexico.

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At 3/22/04 10:42 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: IT IS NOT A LIE!!! IT IS INNACCURACY!!! I DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FACTS!!!

Perhaps you should research before spouting off then.

Where did you hear this?

I provided the source. The World Resources Institute. They're sponsored by the World Bank, UNEP, The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs, SIDA and UNDP.

I've heard from a number of sources that they have a 50% poverty rate.

Your sources are trash.

IT'S NOT A LIE!! IT'S WHAT I HEARD PEOPLE SAY!!

Stop believing everything you say.

Ok, so maybe those facts are wrong, but I do know immagrants who have said that there is no oppurtunity in Mexico.

You've been off by 40% each time. That's like saying the unemployment and poverty rates in in America are 50%.

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At 3/22/04 10:46 PM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/22/04 10:42 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

Perhaps you should research before spouting off then.

I agree, I didn't have suffecient info on this subject.

I provided the source. The World Resources Institute. They're sponsored by the World Bank, UNEP, The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs, SIDA and UNDP.

This is a very reliable source.

Your sources are trash.

Not all of them, but this one certainly was.

Stop believing everything you say.

I don't believe EVERYTHING other people say.

You've been off by 40% each time. That's like saying the unemployment and poverty rates in in America are 50%.

Ok, I apologize for the very innaccurate facts I THOUGHT were right. But I do know that the facts in my next post are very accurate.

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I don't have anything against these people personally, but look at how they are changing the United States=

Their population in the country is skyrocketing, about 40 million currently, including some 8 million illegal immagrants.

They are choosing to remain bilingual and bicultural and refuse to join the mainstream of American culture.

They are replacing baby boomers in the workforce, and by 2025 C.E, they will surpass baby boomers in the workforce.

Of all children under 18, they are 61% in San Antonio, 53% in Los Angeles, 39% in Miami and San Diego, and 36% in Houston.

One out of 10 small businesses will be Hispanic-owned by 2007, jumping from 1.2 Million to 2 Million.

Spanish-Language TV is likely to see the largest revenue gains this year, climbing 16%.

This explosion of Immagrants is driving African-Americans into the ground.

More and more immagrants are finding ways to remain Hispanic even as they become Americans.

Many predict that a Quebec-Style Latino dominance in States such as Texas and California, do you all know what that Quebec tried to become an independent Nation a while back? Don't you think the Hispanic population while try the same thing? Do you see how much they are changing America? 50% of them don't graduate from college! Do you have any idea what DIRE consequences this is going to have on the United States economy? Many Latino workers are willing to work for lower wages, and this may lead to a lower minimum wage (minimum wage should have been raised with inflation and economic growth) this will lead to lower wages all around.

Personally, I don't exactly like the changes this will have on America, in fact, this will turn America into a second Mexico.

Now do you see why I feel so threatened by this?

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At 3/21/04 02:10 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: Their population in the country is skyrocketing, about 40 million currently, including some 8 million illegal immagrants.

Ooh funny thing about some illegal immigrants in my area... Has anybody heard about the 265 million jackpot that was won over in Stephens City, VA? Well, the thing is the person that won that is an illegal immigrant and he can't cash it in until he gets a green card. The reason that I know? I live 10 minutes away from Stephens City.

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At 3/23/04 07:56 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I don't have anything against these people personally, but look at how they are changing the United States=

"I'm not rascist, but".

I always love that 'but'.

Their population in the country is skyrocketing, about 40 million currently, including some 8 million illegal immagrants.

Why is this a negative? I suppose more northern Europeans would be better for you?

They are choosing to remain bilingual and bicultural and refuse to join the mainstream of American culture.

They are mainstream. You just said 40 million of "them".

Wait, let me check something..

God damn it! You said you were going to stop lying! People of Mexican descent are only 21.6m in the US! According to the 2000 US census. You bastard!

'http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:NPgr7nYewkEJ:www.census.gov/populatio
n/socd...hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8'

They are replacing baby boomers in the workforce, and by 2025 C.E, they will surpass baby boomers in the workforce.

This is a dumb argument, you have to agree. The baby boombers are retiring. Mexicans have children. They are still of Mexican descent. A baby boomer's child isn't considered a baby boomer. Guess what - blonde asians will surpass the baby boomers in the workforce in, say, fifty years.

Of all children under 18, they are 61% in San Antonio, 53% in Los Angeles, 39% in Miami and San Diego, and 36% in Houston.

I don't have Mexican children frightening. And since the first number you gave was incorrect, all subsequent numbers are now suspect.

One out of 10 small businesses will be Hispanic-owned by 2007, jumping from 1.2 Million to 2 Million.

If, for a second, we go with your alternate reality where there are 40 million Mexicans in the US, then one out of ten will probably be in line with the percentage of people of Mexican descent - currently with your crazy-wrong number, Mexicans make up almost 7%.

Spanish-Language TV is likely to see the largest revenue gains this year, climbing 16%.

That's because the Spanish-speaking segments of the population are the most rapidly increasing. What's your point?

This explosion of Immagrants is driving African-Americans into the ground.

Not really. I see problems like outsourcing as a bigger cause of other minorities' woes today. Jobs that are now being outsourced, stuff like factories, were [traditionally] places where blacks could earn a decent pay, and an equal one to their white peers.

More and more immagrants are finding ways to remain Hispanic even as they become Americans.

I could respond in two ways. I think I will -
a) They can't exactly change their ethnicity.
b) So they are keeping some traditional cultures. This is not a big threat. Do you remember what the traditional "American" cultures were? Yes, someone else already mentioned them - the indigenous peoples' traditions. The Europeans flooded America with unamerican traditions.

Many predict that a Quebec-Style Latino dominance in States such as Texas and California,

Population densities of certain ethnicities vary over the country. Of course. This is natural, and no cause for concern.

do you all know what that Quebec tried to become an independent Nation a while back?

There was a vote and it didn't pass?

Don't you think the Hispanic population while try the same thing?

No. And do you realize that the states you just mentioned use to be Mexican territory anyways?

Do you see how much they are changing America?

Yes... Slightly more Mexicans. Big deal.

50% of them don't graduate from college!\

No, uh.. 89% of Mexican immigrants don't graduate from college. Your way off again. But this doesn't have much bearing in anything. If we provide adequete education funding, their children will become less ignorant. They aren't genetically inferior. They haven't been given decent chances to succeed.

Do you have any idea what DIRE consequences this is going to have on the United States economy? Many Latino workers are willing to work for lower wages,

This is not Mexican immigrant's fault. Corporations are finding ways of keeping jobs low-skill, and low-pay. 30% of the economy in 20 years will be service, ie. waiters and waitresses. Independant of any Mexican immigration.

and this may lead to a lower minimum wage (minimum wage should have been raised with inflation and economic growth) this will lead to lower wages all around.

You can't blame the Mexicans for the Republicans not increasing the minimum wage. That's preposterous.

Personally, I don't exactly like the changes this will have on America,

I think these changes are nothing to be afraid of and the natural thing that happens when you have a prosperous country next to a poor one.

in fact, this will turn America into a second Mexico.

No it won't. You have no evidence to support that.

Now do you see why I feel so threatened by this?

Nope. I think your just xenophobic.

Go post in my topic entitled "Immigration/Emmigration" though, if you would plz. It only got one reply, and you can voice your support for closed borders on it. Thanks.

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Immigrants come to America to fill those jobs the regular American does not want.

Makes you think as to why 70% of the US army are "Garcia's" "Sanchaze's" "Rodregiez's"

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Well, I think we should all thank Wraith for being our little pin cushion and bringing up this argument. And please, don't call him an asshole because of his opinion.

Did we give a donkey fuck when we invaded native americans? Don't think so...

America's culture isn't even a very solid one. If it was, it would quickly overwhelm immigrants and force them to it. I believe it is their right by the constitution to pursue whatever beliefs they have.

Christmas is more of an american holiday than a christian holiday, but should we force the jews to give up hannukah because its not american tradition?

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At 3/23/04 09:36 PM, The_Someone wrote: Christmas is more of an american holiday than a christian holiday, but should we force the jews to give up hannukah because its not american tradition?

But Jewish people still celebrate Christmas, do they not?

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At 3/23/04 09:43 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: But Jewish people still celebrate Christmas, do they not?

Not traditionally.

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I go to a school where 50 percent of the kids are jewish. None of them celebrate christmas.

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At 3/22/04 09:35 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: The Mexicans would want to take over California and Texas because Mexico has NO economic hope, they have a 50% unemployment rate, and the government is very corrupt in Mexico.

How would they do this? They can do it because they are coming into these states in such huge numbers, about 400,000 new immagrants a year. Secondly, relating to your point about Western ideals such as the "Mixture of many cultures." The Mexicans in their arrogance, are not willing to mix with other cultures, they are simply coming into America and taking the oppurtunity, but not embracing the American ideals such as the European immagrants did. They are therefore overtaking the TRUE Americans.

Let me apologize for a late reply, i've been sick for a couple days and i haven't been able to log onto my computer. It may be true that mexico has a 50% unemployment rate and is really poor, but that doesn't mean Immagrants are going to come here with the mind of bringing land back to the homeland. If the Immagrants are going to take over California and Texas, do you think they'll just hand it over to their former government. Think about it, why did the people LEAVE from Mexico in the first palce, why the hell would they want their old government back.

Now to counter address your reasoning on how they could invade and take California and Mexico. 400,000 people every year is alot of people, and i see your point at how that could be threatening, but this is not the german army of WWII we're talking about, rolling in with tanks and airplanes ready to spring out the blitzkrieg. These are families, women and children, all with the thought of coming to a better country, in escape of their former country. That goes back to what i said earlier. Why would the Immagrants want their old government back? Their corrupt (as you said) terrible government.

Your issue is with the thought that the mexicans are not accepting the American culture. I said it before and i'll say it again, the american culture is a mixed culture. WPT (western political thought) accepts everything for what it is. That is how this nation continues today without the local mosque (muslim church) being burned to the ground. To call out the mexicans for not celebrating american events is the equivalant to going up to a catholic and saying, "You didn't give praise to Allah, your a dirty whore." Do you see how unrealistic that is? WPT, the freedom and capitalist parts, say you can do or say whatever, just so long there is no physical harm to life or private property. The mexicans have a full right not to celebrate if they want, but i'm skeptical about what they do and do not celebrate, every last one of my mexican friends always came to our parties when we celebrated the fourth of july. And if i can find the picture of my friend javier with an uncle sam hat on, you might re-think your argument should i be able to post it.

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At 3/24/04 12:02 AM, pierrot-le-fou wrote: It may be true that mexico has a 50% unemployment rate...

Play some catch up with the last page or two =P

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At 3/23/04 09:36 PM, The_Someone wrote: Well, I think we should all thank Wraith for being our little pin cushion and bringing up this argument.

America's culture isn't even a very solid one. If it was, it would quickly overwhelm immigrants and force them to it. I believe it is their right by the constitution to pursue whatever beliefs they have.

Yes, thank you wraith. This guy hit it on the head, a little. The american culture is solid, it just so happens that it is a mixed culture. Mixed with all the cultures of the world. That's how you see a Chinese guy in a suit and tie and talks like Jon Wayne, while you see a white guy dressed up in multi colored rags with chains hangin on em and talks like a gangbangin thug with a gun in each bagin' sagin' pocket. It brings to life the quote, "Only in America."

also, i was unnable to download my picture of Javier with an uncle sam hat on, but i asure you it does exist

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At 3/24/04 12:05 AM, Red_Skvnk wrote:

At 3/24/04 12:02 AM, pierrot-le-fou wrote: It may be true that mexico has a 50% unemployment rate...

Play some catch up with the last page or two =P

I said it may be true, i never agreed. but after scimming i never got the actual number, what was it?

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At 3/23/04 07:56 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I don't have anything against these people personally, but look at how they are changing the United States=

Their population in the country is skyrocketing, about 40 million currently, including some 8 million illegal immagrants.

They are choosing to remain bilingual and bicultural and refuse to join the mainstream of American culture.

They are replacing baby boomers in the workforce, and by 2025 C.E, they will surpass baby boomers in the workforce.

Of all children under 18, they are 61% in San Antonio, 53% in Los Angeles, 39% in Miami and San Diego, and 36% in Houston.

One out of 10 small businesses will be Hispanic-owned by 2007, jumping from 1.2 Million to 2 Million.

Spanish-Language TV is likely to see the largest revenue gains this year, climbing 16%.

This explosion of Immagrants is driving African-Americans into the ground.

Many predict that a Quebec-Style Latino dominance in States such as Texas and California, do you all know what that Quebec tried to become an independent Nation a while back? Don't you think the Hispanic population while try the same thing? Do you see how much they are changing America? 50% of them don't graduate from college! Do you have any idea what DIRE consequences this is going to have on the United States economy? Many Latino workers are willing to work for lower wages, and this may lead to a lower minimum wage (minimum wage should have been raised with inflation and economic growth) this will lead to lower wages all around.

You do realize that I and a bunch of other people have shot the crap out of these statistics in arguments that oppose your idea of the mexican culture being ignorant of others. And since i'm back, i have a new question, what the hell does the statistic of the immagrants driving the african americans into the ground have to do with anything?

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Ok IceWraith, call it a hunch but I'm sure that if for whatever reason you ever emmigrated to another country that you would teach your children about American coulture and continue to observe the 4th of July and things like that. It's call remembering your past, and everybody has every right to do it. They're not trying to undermine our culture, they're just trying to preserve their own.