The Dubstep Wall

[guilmonx]

All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer.

What is Dubstep?

Dubstep - Dubstep is a genre of electronic dance music that has its roots in London's early 2000s UK garage scene. Its overall sound has been described as "tightly coiled productions with overwhelming bass lines and reverberant drum patterns, clipped samples, and occasional vocals."

La-men term: Basically if you don't have a subwoofer then you can't listen to Dubstep properly.

It is a style of music that is usually dark in tone, but not dreary. It has an uplifting feel to it that can make you tweak out like you have been on something since 7 AM but it didn't hit you until 3:30 PM. It is a combination of not sticking to a regular beat, but can outdo even the fastest beat boxin' pros.

So why are you looking here?

Want to learn how to make Dubstep? There are several ways to create Dubstep but trying to teach it to you would be like trying to make violin strings in your back yard... from a dead cat.... No seriously Dubstep is hard to master. Until a better plugin or system comes around you will have to do it the brick and mortar way for Dubstep.

If you use FL Studio you probably have heard of the 3xOSC way to create Dubstep.

(Simple tutorial here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKanXA1P 7c

You may have tried Wasp to create Dubstep but failed miserably.

Then there is the LFO sweep range in the Flanger FX plug-in where you can get you some pretty sea sickening, boat toppling, low waves flowing. That is IF you can keep the tempo aligned with the sweep range. (Rather moderate in difficulty to master. But it only works well if you just want an all Bass and no treble wobble.)

But there is one other way to do it and that is by using the Sytrus plugin.

(Best example)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7koAjIyXp Uw

I can explain it to you but... some people have already done so on Youtube as linked above.

But this section is for NG Artists who do put up their songs on NG but they get low scores because people only have computer speakers that have no... "Woof" to them. (Which defeats the whole purpose for Dubstep. Its supposed to make your Subwoofer feel important! And it is the most important piece of audio equipment needed to truly appreciate Dubstep. So if you have your 500 Watt Bass Amp then lets get down to the "Wall.")

Post up your Dubstep songs in here.

For the ones who complain that this should be in the Audio Advertisements:

There is no Dubstep section. People don't understand the concept of Dubstep. This is to bring awareness that Dubstep requires a subwoofer, or at least some headphones with a bass woofer in them, to listen to Dubstep. Trying to search for dubstep in the audio portal, and the advertisements thread is too hard. We need a section for everything Dubstep. Which can be said for a lot of Genres but Dubstep has become quite popular as of late and it is rather sad seeing other Dubstep artists get ignored and voted down because people just don't have subwoofers. People who do have subwoofer's like to hear Dubstep. This is the place for Dubstep Artists to get the right crowd listening to their hard work.

This is the Wall of Dubstep.

Please keep in mind that if you have no wobble to your song it is not considered Dubstep and instead is considered a 2 Step song. If you need a wobble we got a tutorial for all your wobble needs up top.

This is not another place to post up your recreation of a video game song in 8-bit! Unless it has a wobble bass then its allowed.

(The word Dubstep is found 29 times in this post.)

[amaterasu]

Dubstep is not the first and won't be the last genre to suffer a lack of "proper appreciation". And saying that people lack the proper listening medium is not a valid excuse. I just sampled several dubstep songs on crappy pc speakers and I could here the bass just fine. If people are not hearing your bass than you are not mixing properly. Subwoofers are meant to be audio candy. If you are mixing so that they are required to hear key elements in your music, then it is your fault that people are not listening to or liking it, not theirs.

That being said, we generally frown upon threads favoring a single type of music. This thread will most likely be locked. Sorry, but dubstep will have to compete with all the other music here just like other new genres do.

[guilmonx]

Dubstep requires a subwoofer. Most other music does not use Bass like Dubstep does. I dare you to listen to those very Dubstep songs with a subwoofer and I am pretty sure you will hear a Substantial difference in the overall tone of the song. Without that rumble and grumble its nothing more than a fly noise on the outside. No matter what Dubstep does not bode well without a subwoofer. If you listen to it without a subwoofer you are missing A LOT. Again listen to it with a subwoofer and I am pretty sure you will find a new bassline that was only whispered before, until your Subwoofer finally stopped crying because you ignored him and finally turned him on and turned him up. Thus turning his tears into tears of JOY.

And yes it is competing with several other genres that are left misunderstood, but not having their own section is like being completely alienated. At least let us have a forum thread for the genre so people who pursue this style of music can still find it somehow. When we post our submission anywhere in the audio portal that we consider Dubstep, and is considered Dubstep, people think it doesn't belong in the section we place it in even though it is in the Miscellaneous section already. Anywhere we put it people complain. (If only the Audio portal could have been what it was when it first started and people actually followed the rules of remixes not being allowed.)

Either create a new folder which takes 2 minutes to do in code to put new songs in a new genre. Or let us have a forum thread. Either or. Simple as that.
(The word Dubstep can be found 8 times in this post.)

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 11:50 AM, guilmonx wrote: Dubstep requires a subwoofer. Most other music does not use Bass like Dubstep does.

Drum & Bass.

Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il6XOSQMV DQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8298nNDmH uw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikCrRZvfr ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNDlLiVB K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pfbLGuhQ WE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tR-m1Vtd Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfibFKP0 N0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6IDWIZdC NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-N1x4pvD 6I

[JackRocker]

At 5/4/10 11:50 AM, guilmonx wrote:

Either create a new folder which takes 2 minutes to do in code to put new songs in a new genre. Or let us have a forum thread. Either or. Simple as that.

with all due respect, it's not simple as that. the admins are the ones with the ability to create a Dubstep genre in the portal. and it's been suggested time and time again that they add new genres. they've also been promising improvements to the portal for quite some time, but as you can see, it's never happened. also, the mods have the ability to lock any thread they consider inappropriate. this is one such thread. other threads with similar intentions have been locked. simple as that.

[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 12:57 PM, AlexCo wrote:

At 5/4/10 11:50 AM, guilmonx wrote: Dubstep requires a subwoofer. Most other music does not use Bass like Dubstep does.

Drum & Bass.

Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il6XOSQMV DQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8298nNDmH uw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikCrRZvfr ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGNDlLiVB K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pfbLGuhQ WE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tR-m1Vtd Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfibFKP0 N0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6IDWIZdC NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-N1x4pvD 6I

I said "most" other music, I didn't say "ALL" other music doesn't use Bass like Dubstep does.

By the way I have been looking for that Noisia song for a while. I forgot the name but thanks for showing me that video!

However Drum n Bass has a section in Newgrounds' Audio Portal already. Posting in the Drum N' Bass section with a Dubstep song usually gets voted out and deleted. I can see where you are going with the examples but other people don't classify Dubstep as Drum n' Bass and thus flag the submission for removal.

Either or. Give us at least one instead of none. If one arises over another then delete one and give us the other.

[InvisibleObserver]

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

This thread would be better made if directed solely as a dubstep tutorial / resource thread. Don't connect bias in it, don't make requests of the admins. Pick one topic to focus on, dubstep production, and follow through. We can't nag at you if your purpose is to educate others, and allow questions about dubstep to be asked and answered by the community. That's the purpose of this forum. We will however find chinks in the armor when you have little comments like "Under appreciated music" since that pulls on the archetypes of Ng audio forum-no-go subject matter.

[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 02:24 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

This thread would be better made if directed solely as a dubstep tutorial / resource thread. Don't connect bias in it, don't make requests of the admins. Pick one topic to focus on, dubstep production, and follow through. We can't nag at you if your purpose is to educate others, and allow questions about dubstep to be asked and answered by the community. That's the purpose of this forum. We will however find chinks in the armor when you have little comments like "Under appreciated music" since that pulls on the archetypes of Ng audio forum-no-go subject matter.

And that is the problem with this forum. Instead of questions about Dubstep... you get the above.

I throw in little things to add in some humor. Apparently you can't have a bit of humor in a post on NG because everyone takes offense to it. We have to be painted gray and write only nice things.

Dubstep in its nature isn't nice. Its dark. It is scary. Its so weird that some feel inclined to hide your ears from it. Unless you can hear its true beauty and create a new being from it. People from the Drum N' Bass league seem to like this new form of Bass Line'n and embrace it in some of their songs. Noisia, Calyx, Prodigy, and several artists are barely finding out that this sound is really something new. They are the ones who have ascended to a new sound in their tracks and most people don't realize that it is a light Dubstep mix. The only thing they would have to change is the swing of the beat. Add in a few streams, screams, twangs, a bit of crackle, and toms and you've got Dubstep.

Of course add in the occasional misplaced sound to freak people out here and there.

But yes it is required that you have some form of a subwoofer. Otherwise how do you know that you are creating Dubstep? How do you know you are listening to it? Unless the title gives it away, or is faking it, then how do you know it is in fact Dubstep if you can't hear the "Woof?" The "woof" is the entire point of Dubstep. In drum and bass it is the same but its more of a BUMM sound. I for one don't like being poor so I like the "Woof" better. Makes it seems like these dark days ahead of me aren't that bad. Not only that but add in the intricate and complex setup of the beat. Some say its random but anyone can tell you that sometimes random is better. Not all Dubstep is random, but not all of it is a straight line from point A to point B. Sometimes it swerves to point F before hitting C. And sometimes you land on X after hitting Z.

So I encourage people to have a listen to this Genre with the correct equipment. otherwise you will never understand it.

[eatmeatleet]

Have you seen any of those wobble tutorials, OP? Wobble is made, then sub bass is added. Basically if your speakers are like 80-16000hz, you don't hear the sub but you hear the wobble

[xKore]

I have NEVER heard a dubstep song which has a bass that is purely under say... 100hz. I always thought of dubstep as having much more wider harmonic basses than other genres

[eatmeatleet]

At 5/4/10 03:45 PM, xKore wrote: I have NEVER heard a dubstep song which has a bass that is purely under say... 100hz. I always thought of dubstep as having much more wider harmonic basses than other genres

As I was working with these shinty headphones it was kinda weird, I would hear some of the sub, but in most cases it would be too quiet.I tried increasing it in eq but and obviously didn't help much. Now as I listen that track with 2.1 speakers I hear that the bass is too much since I pumped what I didn't hear

[InvisibleObserver]

I'm not sure dubstep is defined by utilizing a frequency of the sound spectrum that all other songs use as well.

You have some comments and links to tuts about 3xosc, wasp (which can make reese's just fine), and sytrus being handy, but syncing the wobble to tempo being difficult. Easy solution would be to create a filter automation clip and do it manually instead of relying on twiddling inaccurately a filter speed lfo knob.

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 03:45 PM, xKore wrote: I have NEVER heard a dubstep song which has a bass that is purely under say... 100hz. I always thought of dubstep as having much more wider harmonic basses than other genres

Depends. The bass is more focused, like, generally the tracks consist of a huge snare/clap and that bass which makes the tune.

Drum & Bass also has harmonically diverse basses, like if you listen to Noisia, then someone like Spectrasoul or Break, you find some mad sounds.

But yeah, Dubstep doesn't focus on the sub that much. Apex - Nowhere to Run (Datsik & Excision Remix) is pure bass, but the sub is just a dotted line, its not as if theres a real effort for it to mould with the bass which you would expect if the genre was about subs.

[Mystery-Moon-Pie-Aud]

This explanation is just degrading. Dubstep does not require a subwoofer at all. A subwoofer is a very nice addition to it, but not necessary. There are many wobbles which go into the khz, like rusko and benga's wobbles.

There is not specific plugin for dubstep, you just have to have good synthesizing abilities to create a nice wobble, otherwise you would be lost in the dubstep creation.

Dubstep is just a deviation of Drum and Bass. Yes, it is, don't argue that. Drum and bass with reese sounds with LFO and half tempo becomes dubstep. You are making dubstep look like a secluded island of specific people who are allowed to appreciate it. Open up.

I say as a dubstep producer and drum and bass, this genre isn't an ignored one, but more so not realized by a lot of people, and hey, some people just don't appreciate it like we do. That's fine, I don't have to love their metal either.

[guilmonx]

"Have you seen any of those wobble tutorials, OP? Wobble is made, then sub bass is added. Basically if your speakers are like 80-16000hz, you don't hear the sub but you hear the wobble."

I can make Dubstep now. And no I don't create a woof only bassline to coincide with a wobbling high register sound. In most cases of Dubstep the feeling is just not the same when that Woofer isn't there to shake your skeleton out of alignment. Its like having milk without cereal. It is even worse when they have a dry bass. Its like that fat free milk. Has that bleached out taste to it. That would be a dry bass. Boring, lame, and tasteless. When you taste Vitamin D milk vs No fat milk... you will definitely want to go back to Vitamin D milk. Not having that Subwoofer is like drinking powder milk. It has the same nutrients... but it is so tasteless because it isn't natural...

In the Dubstep that I have created I did not have to create a separate bass line by using any other instrument. It was all in the same automation so that I did not have to configure two separate LFO rates to be synchronized with each other.

Hope that sums it up for ya. In my car I have two small little 12 inch Xplods by Sony. Man I tell you what. There is nothing like bouncing down the street without needing a hydraulic switch!

"I have NEVER heard a dubstep song which has a bass that is purely under say... 100hz. I always thought of dubstep as having much more wider harmonic basses than other genres"

True. But not all Dubstep has a High register at the same time as its low register. I can however make a wobble bass simulate a car starting, revving, Speeding up, Shifting, Govern itself out, and blow up due to over heating. I am serious I have created a bass that is so low that a simple kick could drown it out in an instant. Some styles of Dubstep have that "YEAYEAYEAYEYEYEYEYEYYYYYYYYYAYAYAYAYA" or that odd sounding yawn in it. But that is a completely different instrument than what Dubstep is about. Its a nice sound but it comes from a different territory in music. It is a nice additive, but Dubstep is mostly... Snare and Bass. You might say drum but we only use drums to keep the swing of the beat. The snares and other high register instruments give Dubstep its flare between the gaps.

It sort of works like Trance would. You have a Kick, which is the Boom, but then you hear fading in and out the Snare hit between beats. Instead of it being just a Bum tsh Bum tsh its more like a Bwaum Wu tsh wu Bwam Bwam Tsh Wu Bwaum Bom Bow BLUB-BLub-blub t-t-TSCH clap Browlulululb.

If the DJ is really good he can create a single instrument where he can flare it out automatically with a high register sound without it affecting the entire beat.

I have yet to reach that area myself but it can be done.

That is another thing about Dubstep... The bass wobble is much more dynamic. You can tell when someone is using a true form of Dubstep in the low register when you can hear it fade between the two registers without it sounding like someone is just raising and lowering the volume of a Bass guitar.

To put the feeling of a good "Woof" into words... Its as if someone turned you into a bed sheet and was trying to straighten you out to the bed by... Well... doing that weird ritual to make the sheet go on the bed without anyone else helping them. Not by pulling until its straight but instead whipping you in the air. Thats a good Woof.

[Rig]

At 5/4/10 02:24 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

Well, it's kinda valid. Dubstep is MADE in the subwoofer frequencies. If you can't hear those frequencies, then you're not listening to it in the way that it was meant to be. It's like listening to happy hardcore without the mid-highs...it just sounds weird.

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 04:19 PM, Rig wrote:

At 5/4/10 02:24 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

Well, it's kinda valid. Dubstep is MADE in the subwoofer frequencies. If you can't hear those frequencies, then you're not listening to it in the way that it was meant to be. It's like listening to happy hardcore without the mid-highs...it just sounds weird.

It won't though. Producers use a technique of splitting the basses into 3 parts, Low, Mid and High. This way, without a sub, theres still something there. Loads of people just simply use earbuds they get with iPods, and you dont get any subs with those, so this is where this trick applies. It also fills out the Low Mids of the Spectrum which sometimes tracks lack which makes them sound weak and thin. Mixdowns are probably the deciding factor on a good track or not in these genres.

[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 04:07 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote: I'm not sure dubstep is defined by utilizing a frequency of the sound spectrum that all other songs use as well.

You have some comments and links to tuts about 3xosc, wasp (which can make reese's just fine), and sytrus being handy, but syncing the wobble to tempo being difficult. Easy solution would be to create a filter automation clip and do it manually instead of relying on twiddling inaccurately a filter speed lfo knob.

I had trouble with Wasp myself... Basically I couldn't get it to produce any sounds. Either my Wasp is teh broken one. or I just didn't do it correctly....

I did the filter automation clip with the Flanger in the lower frequencies but it was the same as what Sytrus can do only it has a limit to how fast it can go where as Sytrus can make the wobble sound more like a tumbling tornado giving birth to mini tumbling tornados. While at the same time it can flip the wobble upside down in automation and tween it in any direction. I just find Sytrus to be easier. getting the tempo down does require a good ear, but it isn't that hard to synch it to a certain tempo. Whether it be 1/16 of a beat or 1/1 (of course 1/32 wouldn't sound fun but it can be done in Sytrus.)

I also tried the LFO of the Phaser and it was slower than the Flanger. Ultimately Sytrus is my way of producing some rather melting bass sounds. To each his own though.

[Chris-V2]

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[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 04:29 PM, AlexCo wrote:

At 5/4/10 04:19 PM, Rig wrote:

At 5/4/10 02:24 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

Well, it's kinda valid. Dubstep is MADE in the subwoofer frequencies. If you can't hear those frequencies, then you're not listening to it in the way that it was meant to be. It's like listening to happy hardcore without the mid-highs...it just sounds weird.

It won't though. Producers use a technique of splitting the basses into 3 parts, Low, Mid and High. This way, without a sub, theres still something there. Loads of people just simply use earbuds they get with iPods, and you dont get any subs with those, so this is where this trick applies. It also fills out the Low Mids of the Spectrum which sometimes tracks lack which makes them sound weak and thin. Mixdowns are probably the deciding factor on a good track or not in these genres.

That is another problem... Them cheap little earphones can't pack a punch unless the song is from Avril Laving... (Sorry but I need more Bass in my life... Thats going to be the next title I use... Its perfect...)

Some Dubstep artists do this yes... but it still sounds much better with something there to rattle your bones and make the whole world notice that hey... its not an earthquake.... Its just some DUBSTEP!

[xKore]

At 5/4/10 04:19 PM, Rig wrote:

At 5/4/10 02:24 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote:

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, guilmonx wrote: All Dubstep, nothing but Dubstep, so get out if you don't have a subwoofer. [...]

Don't marginalize the subwoofer-less in you thread for marginalizing the producers.

Well, it's kinda valid. Dubstep is MADE in the subwoofer frequencies. If you can't hear those frequencies, then you're not listening to it in the way that it was meant to be. It's like listening to happy hardcore without the mid-highs...it just sounds weird.

imo the onus is on the producer to make their bass hearable to as wide an audience as possible, if popularity isn't what they're after, then they can't bitch about being under appreciated.

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 04:35 PM, guilmonx wrote: Some Dubstep artists do this yes... but it still sounds much better with something there to rattle your bones and make the whole world notice that hey... its not an earthquake.... Its just some DUBSTEP!

Nonnono, splitting the bass into 3 still makes that huge wobble you get in your chest, they still layer the sub under, which I forgot to mention. Its just that you have to make sure your tracks fit on every type of sound system. It can be annoying, but sometimes you get some really good sounds from it, and, you can't get everyone to buy 15 inch subs like the rest of us. ;)

I love my subwoofer, I do. :33333

[Envy]

I love handsup music!

tl;dr

This thread is now about handsup music.

Handsup

I love it

[xKore]

At 5/4/10 04:38 PM, Envy wrote: I love handsup music!

tl;dr

This thread is now about handsup music.

Handsup

I love it

happy birthday

[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 04:37 PM, AlexCo wrote:

At 5/4/10 04:35 PM, guilmonx wrote: Some Dubstep artists do this yes... but it still sounds much better with something there to rattle your bones and make the whole world notice that hey... its not an earthquake.... Its just some DUBSTEP!

Nonnono, splitting the bass into 3 still makes that huge wobble you get in your chest, they still layer the sub under, which I forgot to mention. Its just that you have to make sure your tracks fit on every type of sound system. It can be annoying, but sometimes you get some really good sounds from it, and, you can't get everyone to buy 15 inch subs like the rest of us. ;)

I love my subwoofer, I do. :33333

Trust me... Which it looks like you already have before I even said this but... Once you hear it with that woofer... You just can't go back.

Currently I have only around 50 different Dubstep songs that I really like because they make my Subwoofer talk... They really do. I can have a good conversation with him now.... Instead of him crying he is actually starting to talk like a normal being...

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 04:43 PM, guilmonx wrote: Trust me... Which it looks like you already have before I even said this but... Once you hear it with that woofer... You just can't go back.

I know :)

I have to have tracks with subs in them. I just have to.

[guilmonx]

At 5/4/10 04:01 PM, eatmeatleet wrote:

At 5/4/10 03:45 PM, xKore wrote: I have NEVER heard a dubstep song which has a bass that is purely under say... 100hz. I always thought of dubstep as having much more wider harmonic basses than other genres

As I was working with these shinty headphones it was kinda weird, I would hear some of the sub, but in most cases it would be too quiet.I tried increasing it in eq but and obviously didn't help much. Now as I listen that track with 2.1 speakers I hear that the bass is too much since I pumped what I didn't hear

I had this exact same problem with my old earphones. I would create a track and hear a bit of Bass... SO naturally I would turn up the DB's in the Bass range and what happened? It became too powerfull in my car. So what I started doing was listening for the wobble in my ears knowing that in my car with that subwoffer... it would be exactly 3.25 times better.

That is why I believe that it is truly essential to have a subwoofer when making Dubstep. if you don't then you could either have no Bass, or too much bass.

How much bass is too much bass though? That is something I haven't had to face yet. While some of the main stream Dubstep songs are really good some of them don't bode well with the volume up and the bass DB switch on high. The bass can drown out everything out but a good balance would be having the bass be able to drown out only a little bit of everything I think. You can't get enough Bass. And just when you think you don't have enough... Your speakers start coughing.... Thats when you have to cure them by... replacing them.... Sniff*

[xKore]

At 5/4/10 04:54 PM, guilmonx wrote: That is why I believe that it is truly essential to have a subwoofer when making Dubstep. if you don't then you could either have no Bass, or too much bass.

I think the professional stance on this is that it's essential to have flat monitors with a wide range for ALL types of music.

The problem that some may face with subs is that they over compensate, meaning you'll end up putting less bass in your production since you are happy with the amount of bass your sub is giving out. Kind of the opposite problem.

[AlexCo]

At 5/4/10 05:01 PM, xKore wrote: The problem that some may face with subs is that they over compensate, meaning you'll end up putting less bass in your production since you are happy with the amount of bass your sub is giving out. Kind of the opposite problem.

Yeah, but if you're used to what tracks sound like on your system, then you will know how much sub it needs to fit to sound like another track of the same genre playing on your system, meaning that if your sub is the right level on your system, it should be on any other system.

[xKore]

At 5/4/10 05:16 PM, AlexCo wrote:

At 5/4/10 05:01 PM, xKore wrote: The problem that some may face with subs is that they over compensate, meaning you'll end up putting less bass in your production since you are happy with the amount of bass your sub is giving out. Kind of the opposite problem.

Yeah, but if you're used to what tracks sound like on your system, then you will know how much sub it needs to fit to sound like another track of the same genre playing on your system, meaning that if your sub is the right level on your system, it should be on any other system.

yeah but that requires you knowing your system well and not getting jaded and carried away after hours of production. even if its a minor flaw, it still means that having a flat monotiring system is more desirable.