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At 5/9/10 08:50 PM, amaterasu wrote:At 5/9/10 08:23 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: To what extent is the United States contributing to this bailout? I know for a fact the majority of Europe is picking up most of the tab, but what of other Western nations?Unless we in some way contributed to the events leading up to this fiasco, hopefully $0. We have our own shit to worry about, let the EU take care of it.
I believe the US will chip in around 50 billion or so. It's not because it's your fault, but because it is in your interest not to have Greece fall.
Anyway, for what I've read, a possible solution without leaving the euro would be to...
The idea is simple: the ECB starts printing money. This money will lower interest rates, inducing economic growth. This will push the ok economies (Germany, France) to moderate inflation levels (5%). Then the Greek real debt will be reduced, and so would its real salaries! :D
Problem solved! :D
Now gimme the nobel prize >=(
The outstanding faults of the economic society in which we live are its failure to provide for full employment and its arbitrary and inequitable distribution of wealth -- JMK
And liberals think we're holding back progress by rejecting socialism and socialized healthcare! "Oh, look at the poor, ignorant rednecks getting scared over socialism!" Yeah we're scared. We know what it looks like!
socialism doesn't work plus it wouldn't matter Greece is part of the EU so they wont become a socialist, communist or Anarchist State. so these anarchists are jut wasting there time needlessly killing people like the animals they are.
Actually the group of people who bares responsibility for the vandalism and the death of three citizens isn't anarchists . They are provocateurs who have interest in all this, some of them are "nationalists" and others are controlled by political forces .The day they burned the bank ,they also burned a formal building of the economical ministry which had documents about cases of tax evasion, so the whole act was set up.
I feel sorry for Greece, young people are going to immigrate in other countries because they find no hope and no solution to their problems. It is very sad to see your country in this state...
De gustibus non disputandum
At 5/14/10 09:21 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: socialism doesn't work plus it wouldn't matter Greece is part of the EU so they wont become a socialist, communist or Anarchist State. so these anarchists are jut wasting there time needlessly killing people like the animals they are.
Your posts are so predictable. They're always lacking any sort of substance, and are never rooted in logic, but based entirely on emotional bullshit. I shouldn't even dignify you with a response, but it's far too easy to find problems with the right-wing vomit you post. Anyways: A "communist state" and "Anarchist state" are both completely contradictory in terms. The aims of both communists and anarchists is a stateless society, for fuck's sake. Why am I left explaining the same shit to you all the time?
It's regrettable 3 people were killed, it was purely accidental, anarchists would never intentionally kill workers, but the blame doesn't even rest on the anarchists, according to an employee from the bank:
"I feel an obligation toward my co-workers who have so unjustly died today to speak out and to say some objective truths. I am sending this message to all media outlets. Anyone who still bares some consciousness should publish it. The rest can continue to play the government's game.
The fire brigade had never issued an operating license to the building in question. The agreement for it to operate was under the table, as it practically happens with all businesses and companies in Greece.
The building in question has no fire safety mechanisms in place, neither planned nor installed ones - that is, it has no ceiling sprinklers, fire exits or fire hoses. There are only some portable fire extinguishers which, of course, cannot help in dealing with extensive fire in a building that is built with long-outdated security standards.
No branch of Marfin bank has had any member of staff trained in dealing with fire, not even in the use of the few fire extinguishers. The management also uses the high costs of such training as a pretext and will not take even the most basic measures to protect its staff.
There has never been a single evacuation exercise in any building by staff members, nor have there been any training sessions by the fire-brigade, to give instructions for situations like this. The only training sessions that have taken place at Marfin Bank concern terrorist action scenarios and specifically planning the escape of the banks' "big heads" from their offices in such a situation.
The building in question had no special accommodation for the case of fire, even though its construction is very sensitive under such circumstances and even though it was filled with materials from floor to ceiling. Materials which are very inflammable, such as paper, plastics, wires, furniture. The building is objectively unsuitable for use as a bank due to its construction.
No member of security has any knowledge of first aid or fire extinguishing, even though they are every time practically charged with securing the building. The bank employees have to turn into firemen or security staff according to the appetite of Mr Vgenopoulos [owner of Marfin Bank].
The management of the bank strictly bared the employees from leaving today, even though they had persistently asked so themselves from very early this morning - while they also forced the employees to lock up the doors and repeatedly confirmed that the building remained locked up throughout the day, over the phone. They even blocked off their internet access so as to prevent the employees from communicating with the outside world.
For many days now there has been some complete terrorisation of the bank's employees in regard to the mobilisations of these days, with the verbal "offer": you either work, or you get fired.
The two undercover police who are dispatched at the branch in question for robbery prevention did not show up today, even though the bank's management had verbally promised to the employees that they would be there.
At last, gentlemen, make your self-criticism and stop wandering around pretending to be shocked. You are responsible for what happened today and in any rightful state (like the ones you like to use from time to time as leading examples on your TV shows) you would have already been arrested for the above actions. My co-workers lost their lives today by malice: the malice of Marfin Bank and Mr. Vgenopoulos personally who explicitly stated that whoever didin't come to work today [May 5th, a day of a general strike!] should not bother showing up for work tomorrow [as they would get fired]."
"We anarchists do not want to emancipate the people; we want the people to emancipate themselves."-Errico Malatesta