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ANYONE who wants to put their belief of an all powerful invisible being who never responds to us directly, who will banish us for all time to a place of extreme pain & torture if we don't worship his invisible boney ass, in my face. Can take a long hard suck on the siphon tube going into my RV's shit tank.

Believeing in make believe was fun when I was a kid, but when you leave Santa & the Easter Bunny behind, you might as well grow all the way up & banish the invisible all powerful BS that organized religion uses to keep you in line.
Doesn't mean you can't be a good person, doesn't mean you must stop being religious...just stop fooling yourself & trying to fool others into following along a make believe character. Recognise your flaws & maybe some day you'll face reality.

I myself laugh at all religions with the same tone.
You complain that Christians get mocked more than Muslims, but Muslims get racially targeted more than Christians do. IF I were religious, I would rather be laughed at than be called a terrorist.

Muslims are terrorists and Christians are pedophiles. They bring it on themselves.

Why bash on Christianity? Simple answer, it deserves it.

Christianity has a bad track record of doing bastardy things to try and force their religion onto other people. Lobbying to force prayer and the teaching of creationism in school. Changing textbooks to force their BS mythology on children, witch is more than despicable. They try to convince people that the U.S. is a Christian nation and that they deserve special treatment despite the fact that many of the founding fathers were not Christians and in fact have said some pretty negative things about it. The Catholic church harbors people that are guilty of one of the most heinous crimes imaginable, the Pope is a criminal and needs to be judged for his crimes. Christianity has repeatedly stifled both scientific and cultural progress throughout its history and still attempts to do so to this day. Some of the most horrific atrocities were committed by this religion. Genocide is promoted in the christian bible and it also teaches what many people consider to be flawed morality. Many people, myself included have endured years of threats, physical violence, and demonetization from the Christian community. They also aggressively attempt to convert (harass) people. I could go on and on but I just don't have the time to list all the reasons why Christianity is a plentiful source for criticism, including all the lighter aspect of it that I did not cover here. My opinion is that it is just as bad as Scientology, probably worse, and I'm sure many people agree. I have no problem with Christians, it is Christianity I have a problem with so please don't be confused by that.

Other than the fact that it deserves a lot of criticism I think a reason it may be criticized so often here could be that more people here have been subjected to it's negative aspects than those of other religions. Although from what I've seen it doesn't seem to get much more criticism than other religions so I think you may just be noticing it more often when it's your faith being criticized.

At 5/4/10 11:09 AM, StodgyAyatollah wrote: Why bash on Christianity? Simple answer, it deserves it.

well said...

At 5/4/10 10:07 AM, Victory wrote: That doesn't make any sense.

Did you look up those verses....?

Disbelievers going to hell: a Christian belief, yes or no?

That one is actually debated by individuals and separate Christian organizations, but the answer is supposed to be "yes."

At 5/4/10 10:41 AM, bcdemon wrote: Muslims are terrorists and Christians are pedophiles.

Only the select few out of billions you end up hearing about.

Listen, some people can be really annoying when it comes to talking about religion (namely NGman7, a prime example of what I'm talking about), and they normally never change their opinion no matter what you say to them, so people tend to rage against them...and I can't say that they're wrong :/
Now, most religious people here are Christians, and that's why you see them being raged at more than any other religion.

The majority of people on this site live in a country with a heavy Christian population. A country where 45% of its citizens believe that the Judeo-Christian god created man in his present form at some point in the last 10,000 years.

Naturally, the average American's experience of religion is going to be strongly Christian-oriented, whether they believe it or not.

I respect that people have certain beliefs, that being said: I don't support religion and never will. It is a totally regressive idealogical system that is holding the human race back severely. we should be focused on developing new technologies openly and without one religion or another popping up and saying they don't agree so we cant do it. Traditionalism will only make our culture stagnate, and letting religion be a large part of our society will inevitably block progress crucial for us to grow and evolve as a species. You guys can believe in whatever you want, but dont expect our growth to stop for your OPINION. My spiritualism lies in knowledge of the universe, learning what we can potentially accomplish, and what happened in the trillions of years before. After all, what makes the big bang, the expansion of space and time, then the eventual formation of stars and planets over immeasurable time to give birth to life here and most probably other places throughout the universe any less beautiful and miraculous than some omniscient being creating the world in a week?

People only bash Christianity because it's cool. But by cool, I mean it's just a bandwagon. People on Newgrounds only bash Christianity to fit in with people who also think if they're not bashing Christianity, they'll be mocked for it. They do this in fear of something that may or may not really be true. These people don't realize that they're hypocrites in doing this.

I do like that in asking why Christianity is constantly bashed, the OP opened up the thread for people to mercilessly bash on Christianity.

At 5/19/10 05:26 PM, Chdonga wrote: People only bash Christianity because it's cool. But by cool, I mean it's just a bandwagon. People on Newgrounds only bash Christianity to fit in with people who also think if they're not bashing Christianity, they'll be mocked for it. They do this in fear of something that may or may not really be true. These people don't realize that they're hypocrites in doing this.

And you said that why?

To win points with your god, in the hopes he doesn't decide to crush you like a bug. Yes, the fear, the fear!

I take it you're Christian. Why are you Christian? Because you were raised that way, or because you believe if you're not Christian, you're going to Hell (ie, you're trying to avoid punishment from the Man Upstairs).

Time for me to shamelessly steal good material....

See, this is what Christians, in particular, never seem to understand. You already know this is false, because you don't believe in Thor, you don't believe in Shiva, you don't believe in Zeus, and you don't believe in any other possible all powerful being that could crush you.

But you don't seem to worry about Thor rising up and taking you out, do you? Why not? I ask, because if you figure out why you're not scared of Thor, you'll know why I'm not scared of your Judeo-Christian deity.

But as eloquently said, Christianity is bashed because it deserves it.

If your god has a problem with that, he knows where I live.

At 5/19/10 05:49 PM, Imperator wrote: And you said that why?
To win points with your god, in the hopes he doesn't decide to crush you like a bug. Yes, the fear, the fear!

No. I don't fear Hell. I have pirated so much shit, I wouldn't be surprised if I went to whichever layer of Hell the thieves go.

I take it you're Christian. Why are you Christian? Because you were raised that way, or because you believe if you're not Christian, you're going to Hell (ie, you're trying to avoid punishment from the Man Upstairs).

Partially true. I was raised Christian, but I'm not still Christian because I was raised that way, I'm still Christian because I choose to be (And don't flatter yourself, I'm not Christian to piss of any atheists). And I don't believe I'll go to Hell for not being Christian. No where in my post did I say that. No where in my post did I imply that.

See, this is what Christians, in particular, never seem to understand. You already know this is false, because you don't believe in Thor, you don't believe in Shiva, you don't believe in Zeus, and you don't believe in any other possible all powerful being that could crush you.

Wrong again. The Bible just says you can't believe in a God more powerful than God. It doesn't say you can't believe that God made less-than gods to do shit for him. Heck, God probably just was like "Fuck this shit, I don't feel like making everything" and he made Thor and Shicaand Zeus and had them make the cosmos for Him.

But you don't seem to worry about Thor rising up and taking you out, do you? Why not? I ask, because if you figure out why you're not scared of Thor, you'll know why I'm not scared of your Judeo-Christian deity.

Why would I even fear that?

Where are you getting these crazy assumptions? I'm curious, IRL, do you talk with your mouth or your ass?

And I forgot to say, I don't fear being killed by Thor, I'd look forward to a death like that, no matter how painful it could be. Just the thought of a Norse god descending from the heavens to kill me personally is awesome.

At 5/19/10 06:50 PM, Chdonga wrote: And I forgot to say, I don't fear being killed by Thor, I'd look forward to a death like that, no matter how painful it could be. Just the thought of a Norse god descending from the heavens to kill me personally is awesome.

Thor isn't a god, he's an alien. Duh. Haven't you watched Stargate Sg-1?

At 5/19/10 05:26 PM, Chdonga wrote: People only bash Christianity because it's cool.

I'm curious as to what constitutes bashing to you.

At 5/20/10 12:00 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 5/19/10 05:26 PM, Chdonga wrote: People only bash Christianity because it's cool.

I'm curious as to what constitutes bashing to you.

Did you read my entire post or did you stop at that sentence?

At 5/20/10 12:23 AM, Chdonga wrote: Did you read my entire post or did you stop at that sentence?

I did. Did I miss the part where you describe what constitutes bashing?

At 5/20/10 12:34 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 5/20/10 12:23 AM, Chdonga wrote: Did you read my entire post or did you stop at that sentence?

I did.

Well there's your problem. I wasn't justifying bashing Christianity. And to answer your question, bashing means to insult something. And that's just what they do.

At 5/20/10 12:42 AM, Chdonga wrote: I wasn't justifying bashing Christianity.

I thought that was rather clear. Usually, when people characterize something as bandwagoning, they aren't singing its praises.

And to answer your question, bashing means to insult something. And that's just what they do.

Would objecting to a Christian's argument in a sarcastic, facetious, or mocking tone count?

At 5/20/10 12:47 AM, Bacchanalian wrote:

At 5/20/10 12:42 AM, Chdonga wrote: I wasn't justifying bashing Christianity.

I thought that was rather clear. Usually, when people characterize something as bandwagoning, they aren't singing its praises.

What post are you reading? I'm not praising anything.

And to answer your question, bashing means to insult something. And that's just what they do.

Would objecting to a Christian's argument in a sarcastic, facetious, or mocking tone count?

If feeling that you've accomplished anything by making this senseless response helps you sleep at night.

At 5/20/10 12:56 AM, Chdonga wrote: What post are you reading? I'm not praising anything.

And I was saying that it was clear to me that you weren't praising the bashing of Christianity. If { characterizing something as bandwagoning generally denotes a negative impression } and { you characterize the bashing of Christianity as bangwagoning } then it would follow that { you do not praise nor justify the bashing of Christianity }.

It might help if you stop interpreting everything I say to you as some kind of disagreement or attack.

If feeling that you've accomplished anything by making this senseless response helps you sleep at night.

It's a question. It's not even a rhetorical question.

At 5/19/10 06:35 PM, Chdonga wrote: No. I don't fear Hell. I have pirated so much shit, I wouldn't be surprised if I went to whichever layer of Hell the thieves go.

Are those even actually counting other then from Dante? Because I believed the whole "levels" thing to have been the invention of Dante Aligari (spelling?)

Partially true. I was raised Christian, but I'm not still Christian because I was raised that way, I'm still Christian because I choose to be (And don't flatter yourself, I'm not Christian to piss of any atheists).

Which is your right.

And I don't believe I'll go to Hell for not being Christian. No where in my post did I say that. No where in my post did I imply that.

Your religion states that. I love how so many Christians think they can just pick and choose what bits of their religion they can believe in. It's in there that if you are not believing in the Judeo-Christian God he punishes you with hell.

Wrong again. The Bible just says you can't believe in a God more powerful than God.

No, the Bible is very clear that you shouldn't believe in ANY other Gods. But ok, let's say I grant you that your interpretation of scripture is correct, everyone ELSE'S interpretation (and this includes the really important people like The Church) has been exactly what myself and Imperator have charged, that you are wrong and the commandment specifically prohibits the worship and belief in other gods and this is why Judeo-Christian sects have been systematically railing against, or taking up policies to eradicate other forms of belief since they came into existence.

It doesn't say you can't believe that God made less-than gods to do shit for him.

That doesn't make any sense, God is omipotent, all powerful, all knowing. He could make existence in seven days, he's running the whole blinkin universe. Why does he need "lesser gods" as you put it to do that?

Heck, God probably just was like "Fuck this shit, I don't feel like making everything" and he made Thor and Shicaand Zeus and had them make the cosmos for Him.

Then God isn't really deserving of any more praise then the guy who passively owns a company and hires a team of managers to run it for him. Congratulations, in your half assed attempts to try and act like all other roads ultimately lead back to your road you've actually made those religions seem stronger then your own :)

Why would I even fear that?

Where are you getting these crazy assumptions? I'm curious, IRL, do you talk with your mouth or your ass?

How are they crazy assumptions? I believe he's making the point that religions come and go and the world is still here. Christianity has had a good 2000 year run so far, but who's to say this "truth" will not ultimately be supplanted by something else? There were other beliefs before, there's been other beliefs since. There's no way of truly knowing whether or not this one will be permanent as well.

Christianity DOES wrong on a very strong component of fear "join the club or be punished", and so have other religions throughout time...but that fear is irrational when you consider how much ancient people's feared their gods and yet ultimately they were abandoned with nothing truly terrible happening. Same could ultimately happen here.

At 5/20/10 01:25 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Are those even actually counting other then from Dante? Because I believed the whole "levels" thing : to have been the invention of Dante Aligari (spelling?)

That is correct, although some churches in the past had adopted that interpretation of hell, presumably because it's good business to associate what you are trying to sell with something popular. If I can say one good thing about the christian religion it's that it has been run by some pretty savvy businessmen.

Also on the issue of believing in other gods, churches have in the past allowed the converted to continue worshiping the gods of their previous religions but only as lesser deitys. It's speculated that this is what caused the christian holidays to take on the more pagan aspects and new dates that are observed today. I don't believe that it says anywhere in the bible that a person cannot believe in lesser dietys although I will admit the concept of a polytheistic christian is something I think most modern churches would frown upon.

In all fairness, religion is only as dangerous as the individuals who follow it - I find if people choose to be Christian then to each their own really. If they're a nice person at their core and are friends with other good Christians, then religion succeeds in bringing people together. It's just a shame you get extremists in all religious parties who use their faith to spread their own personal hatred.

As for the actual making fun of aforementioned religion, just learn to laugh at it and not take it so seriously. Most people (including South Park) who make fun of Christianity (or any religion, for that matter) don't do it to cause serious hate-filled offense, but simply for shits and giggles. Light-hearted mickey taking, so to speak.

At 5/20/10 08:05 AM, jacobmorris92 wrote: It's just a shame you get extremists

It's a shame people seem to insist the extremists are responsible for all the bad stuff about religion.

At 5/20/10 08:30 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: It's a shame people seem to insist the extremists are responsible for all the bad stuff about religion.

Well, they're called extremists for a reason. I don't see your point though, who else would perpetuate the bad aspects of religion, bar the individuals who are already by nature bad people? I mean, I'm aware that the actual ideologies of most theist religions are flawed and bigoted, but how many real people have you met who actually uphold these seriously? Except perhaps, well... The extremists.

You can't blame these sort of issues on the actual religions, it's like blaming Metal for guns. Cause you see, the religions actually need screwed up extremists to perpetrate the ideologies into hateful attacks...

At 5/20/10 09:01 AM, jacobmorris92 wrote: Well [...]

Meanwhile every contortion of logic, blatant perpetuation of double standards, and evasion of knowledge - employed by the apologetics, the Christians, etc - to justify their belief - goes completely ignored in light of those extremists.

At 5/20/10 09:07 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: Meanwhile every contortion of logic, blatant perpetuation of double standards, and evasion of knowledge - employed by the apologetics, the Christians, etc - to justify their belief - goes completely ignored in light of those extremists.

Still an extremist, less radical. More emphasis on bigotry and less on violence. By "extremist", I meant generally anyone who uses their religion to place themselves in superior grounding to everyone else and/or to spread hatred. You're still looking at a loud minority of Christians though, I'm going to put my hands up and admit I've never met a Christian like that (and I've met my fair share), I've only ever heard about them in the papers - and heck, these sort of stories sell.

Also, I'd like to point out the Soviet Union, a universally and quite rigidly atheist state. Killed millions of people, but still doesn't constitute the majority of atheists. I've met a few atheists who used their lack of belief in god to place themselves in (ironically) sanctimonious and superior grounding to everybody else. Just as bigoted, but on the other end of the religious spectrum - but I still acknowledge full well that the majority of atheists are not like that.

At 5/20/10 09:13 AM, jacobmorris92 wrote:

At 5/20/10 09:07 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: Meanwhile every contortion of logic, blatant perpetuation of double standards, and evasion of knowledge - employed by the apologetics, the Christians, etc - to justify their belief - goes completely ignored in light of those extremists.

Still an extremist, less radical. More emphasis on bigotry and less on violence.

No. I'm not talking about the bigots either. I'm talking about the subversion, manipulation, and all around bullshit that most religious partake in because their religion celebrates it - makes it virtuous and righteous.

If you follow the religion debates here, or anywhere, you'll see a pretty reliable cannon of fallacy and bullshit being employed to justify religion. And you know, I bet very few of them are extremists.

At 5/20/10 09:18 AM, Bacchanalian wrote: cannon

*canon