At 5/2/10 05:01 PM, citricsquid wrote:
At 5/2/10 04:38 PM, Gravey wrote:
I preferred Tarboy. Maybe this is a concept that you can't handle and I apologise to you if it is, but the quality of a submission is not based on the time it took to create, the skill of the creator and/or the length of it.
Fair enough. But I don't see how it is harmful to say I preferred Last of the Dashkin. It doesn't mean I don't understand the fact that the award shouldn't go to the flash that took the longest to create, it just means I prefer Last of the Dashkin. In my opinion it was far superior. No reason to attack me personally. Which you seem to be doing in this entire response.
As for the audio side of things being discussed above, I find it really sad an admin is calling out Rig for being the "negative" part of the community. If you spent more than 5 minutes in the audio portal you'd realize he is one of the few people there that makes the audio portal function, even in it's less than perfect system.I'm pretty sure liljim expressed disdain towards the attitudes presented by participants in the threads in the audio forum, not to those people specifically.
He flat out called out Rig and said he was a part of the negative side of the audio community. That is unacceptable considering Rig is one of, if not the most consistent audio mod. If not for Rig, I'm not sure how the audio portal would even survive to be honest. The other audio mods are great, but Rig is the one that really helps to keep things under control. And to say he is a part of the negative audio community is far from acceptable from an admin.
Because truth be told, Hania is far from deserving of the title "Musician of the Year."I totally agree IF the criteria is "The person who contributed the most to the community" but has the criteria been defined anywhere? I don't think it has. How can you assume that "musician of the year" does account for community contributions and isn't solely based on their musical contributions? Did rig contribute more than hania to the audio community here last year? of course, was the music that he created and how it was used better than hania? that's purely opinion.
The award is not given to the person who writes the most high quality submission on Newgrounds. It goes to whoever gets their music in the most popular flash. Which is part of why the audio community is so upset. We have people who write music for Disney, so how would someone like Hania even have a chance?
This went to her because she had a song or two in very popular flash submissions. So to be honest, the award should be called "Best audio contribution in a flash." This is not a put down from me, but just an honest assessment. I have no problem with giving out this sort of award, but to do so and say it went to the "Musician of the year" is disingenuous.
I do believe that the fact her music was used in a popular flash should count towards the final selection. But in this case it was the only criteria used. And that is not a true representation of who was the "Musician of the year" in the audio portal. Just who got lucky enough to land the best flash job.
To complain when you don't know what the award is for is silly. A musician to me is someone who creates music, someone who contributes to the community is entirely different. Maybe save your complaints for when you know what the award was for and whether or not it's supposed to account for community contributions.
I think I just showed I have a knowledge on what the award is for. And not only that, I think I labeled it more correctly than those giving it out. Don't attack me just because I am giving an opinion with a little bit of insight to back it up. I'm not ranting, nor raving. Just stating some facts and logical assumptions on what I've seen.
Also, I never said that the person who contributes most to the audio community should win the award. But at the same time, it should be put into a little bit of consideration because the truth be told you can only become a better musician by immersing yourself within a community of other musicians. And by doing so you can even better show your talents.
pro-tip: If you want to be taken seriously, don't be a dick about it. You'll be lucky if liljim replies to you, not because his opinion is any more important than yours, but because you approached that with the worst possible attitude. If you want the audio community to be taken seriously why don't you keep your panties untwisted and pose your complaints/criticisms to the administration privately and help them understand why it's an issue for you before you start moaning like a bitch in public?
Pro-tip: Don't use the phrase "pro-tip" when attempting to "drop knowledge" on someone's ass. It makes you look arrogant and foolish.
As for a response to your last paragraph. I'm not sure why you are attacking me personally. I'm not being a dick. And I'm not expecting a reply from the omnipotent liljim, because he is all powerful and sees all obviously according to you. It would definitely be the honor of my life if he replied without a doubt.
Pull your lips off his dick, you might find the taste of clean air refreshing.
I did not approach this with the worst possible attitude. I said that liljim calling Rig the negative part of the audio community a sad thing because Rig is one of the guys that makes the audio portal work in a semi-productive fashion. Also, I stand by my points made about how the award is not really given to the "Musician of the year", but rather to the artist who gets their music in the most popular flash submissions.
As for sending criticisms in a private message, liljim didn't send his criticism of Rig in a private forum. He let the entire site see that he thinks Rig is a negative part of the audio community. And all Rig said was what every single person in the audio community is thinking. If pms to the admins got anything resolved, then this entire situation wouldn't have even come to fruition. Don't make me out to be some horrible bad guy. I posted an opinion, backed up with a logical reasoning for my beliefs. Attacking me personally like you did above is shameful, and really just kinda proves how little the audio community is respected.