Gays, good or bad

[AlexMcGreagor]

I have been hearing lots of people say bad stuff about gays so I thought I should make a topic where people can argue their point of view.

In my opinion there is nothing bad about gays, at least they don't contribute to overpopulation. And it's not like if someones gay they are stupid or hot-headed, they simply like others of the same gender.

By the way I myself am not gay.

[RubberTrucky]

The only time when gays really bother me is when they're acting disgustingly flaming. You know, cossdressing and harassing other men and stuff.

[AlexMcGreagor]

At 4/26/10 06:58 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: The only time when gays really bother me is when they're acting disgustingly flaming. You know, cossdressing and harassing other men and stuff.

If they are harassing other men, then I understand.
Note: simple expression of attraction is not harassing, only if it goes on and on after rejection.

[MrHero17]

At 4/26/10 07:23 PM, AlexMcGreagor wrote:

At 4/26/10 06:58 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: The only time when gays really bother me is when they're acting disgustingly flaming. You know, cossdressing and harassing other men and stuff.

If they are harassing other men, then I understand.
Note: simple expression of attraction is not harassing, only if it goes on and on after rejection.

Harassment is always bad, that's why it's called "harassment" and not "flirting".

Where are you from that people are saying "Gays is bad"? Thats just such an ignorant and nonsensical thing to think.

[peanutfoot932]

I find it endlessly disturbing that I keep having to have this conversation.

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality in and of itself. Whether a homosexual individual is good or bad depends on his/her personality and your point of view. It is not canon that if you're gay, you have to be annoying and/or harass straight guys.

There. Goodnight.

[Leap]

At 4/26/10 07:44 PM, peanutfoot932 wrote: I find it endlessly disturbing that I keep having to have this conversation.

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality in and of itself. Whether a homosexual individual is good or bad depends on his/her personality and your point of view. It is not canon that if you're gay, you have to be annoying and/or harass straight guys.

There. Goodnight.

Agreed, the question was an over simplicifation, asking if homosexuals are "good" or "bad" (two entierly subjective terms BTW) is a bit like asking if religous people are "good" or "bad" , the target group are too broard for any meaningful conclusion to be reached.

[SmilezRoyale]

Do you care to explain what a 'good' thing is.

[Gunner-D]

Gay people are awesome! but not when they follow me into the bathroom and wait for me outside the stall

[sweet21]

i personally don't care if they are are gay or not, just as long as they don't get in my face about it.....or talk about their relationship problems on front of me

[sinfulwolf]

At 4/26/10 08:01 PM, Leap wrote:

At 4/26/10 07:44 PM, peanutfoot932 wrote: I find it endlessly disturbing that I keep having to have this conversation.

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality in and of itself. Whether a homosexual individual is good or bad depends on his/her personality and your point of view. It is not canon that if you're gay, you have to be annoying and/or harass straight guys.

There. Goodnight.

Agreed, the question was an over simplicifation, asking if homosexuals are "good" or "bad" (two entierly subjective terms BTW) is a bit like asking if religous people are "good" or "bad" , the target group are too broard for any meaningful conclusion to be reached.

I was going to say something along the same lines as both Leap and PeanutFoot, but they beat me to the punch. The question in and of itself is pretty much discriminatory.

[SteveGuzzi]

Gay people are only 'queer' in the sense that they're less common than straight people. By a ratio of like 9:1 or something like that. I figure if the ratio was closer to even then people wouldn't really give a shit about what another person's sexual orientation was.

It's probably not all that different historically than the situation with left-handed folks. We're outnumbered by right-handed folks by almost the same ratio of 9:1. The Latin roots for 'right' and 'left' are dexter ("on the right" / skillful) and sinister ("on the left" / unfavorable) so you can kinda infer what they thought about lefties. They used to persecute the shit out of left-handed people in a lot of places around the world. In some places they still do today. Hell, even when my parents went to school the teachers forced left-handed kids to write right-handed or otherwise face corporal punishment.

People who are different, in whatever way it is, tend to get persecuted by the majority.

The added issue with homosexuality is that sexuality in general is a trait that people tend to look to for self-identification. A person's sexuality is an internal thing that frequently expresses itself through their outward personality -- their face to the world -- so it can be even harder to deal with being different in that respect, whether you're trying to be yourself or fit in with the crowd, either way, it can be difficult. Humans are social creatures, so their sexual orientation plays a much more prominent role in their relationships with other folks than which hemisphere of their brain is most dominant.

[OddlyPoetic]

At 4/26/10 06:51 PM, AlexMcGreagor wrote:
By the way I myself am not gay.

You're a fucking coward. You go ahead and claim good things about gays with an awkward, unsure tone and then you ahead and try to disassociate yourself from them immediately. Don't be passive aggressive. State your thoughts like a man.

[thedo12]

very few people are 100 percent straight or 100 percent gay, most fall somewhere inbetween. So if you hate gay or straight people you're hating part of yourself.

[TG99]

Gays are good. Each and every one of them. Hell, I wish more gay men would hit on me! I would love the confidence boost!

[JohnnyWang]

Good, bad? Neither. They just are. They have the same petential for good and bad as any other person.

And yeah, I can't believe in 2010 we still have to debate this shit.

[JorNcar]

gays are good or bad is relative to each and every one of them.

THEM BEING GAY IS NOT BAD

it is a normal part of nature people fail to recognize.
10% of all living creatures are considered gay... including humans

frogs, dragonflies, monkeys, bulls... 10% of everything.

gays can be bad! there definitely has been a gay person who murdered someone, that is bad... there have been gay people who saved people lives, that is good!

stop judging people for what they can't control, and rather judge people for what they CAN control.

people born into a religion such as Judaism or Islam, or people born with different colored skin, or people born liking the same sex cannot be controlled. So don't hate them for that, rather if they kill, steal, or bully... hate them for that

[AlexMcGreagor]

At 4/26/10 08:17 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Do you care to explain what a 'good' thing is.

Basically not bad, so anything that makes them normal or above normal would be good.

[AlexMcGreagor]

At 4/26/10 09:11 PM, sinfulwolf wrote:
I was going to say something along the same lines as both Leap and PeanutFoot, but they beat me to the punch. The question in and of itself is pretty much discriminatory.

Explain how it is discrimination, many people think gays are retarded, stupid ect.. I just wanted to see how well I could defend them. Because the stereotypes about gays (and the are stereotypes) they are shunned by a large portion of young society the members of witch are to inexperienced to think otherwise.

[bcdemon]

At 4/27/10 12:02 AM, TG99 wrote: Gays are good. Each and every one of them.

So do you think those gay priest who diddle little children are "good"?

[sinfulwolf]

At 4/27/10 07:02 AM, AlexMcGreagor wrote:

At 4/26/10 09:11 PM, sinfulwolf wrote:
I was going to say something along the same lines as both Leap and PeanutFoot, but they beat me to the punch. The question in and of itself is pretty much discriminatory.

Explain how it is discrimination, many people think gays are retarded, stupid ect.. I just wanted to see how well I could defend them. Because the stereotypes about gays (and the are stereotypes) they are shunned by a large portion of young society the members of witch are to inexperienced to think otherwise.

You didn't do a very good job of defending homosexuals, you simply said that they didn't add to overpopulation, and weren't hot headed, then went and asked a question that grabbed all homosexuals and lumped them into a single entity. I have now been lumped with Jeffery Dahmer, thank you. A group of people is neither bad or good. You have to judge each one on their own.

[Ericho]

Saying that an entire group of people is "bad" is simply wrong. Unless there is an ideology that is strictly funded in negativity, no single group can be viewed as bad. I do not view homosexuals as being any more good or bad than straight people. Homosexuality is as natural as anything in nature, so we should learn to accept it.

[Dekagaru]

At 4/26/10 06:58 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: The only time when gays really bother me is when they're acting disgustingly flaming. You know, cossdressing and harassing other men and stuff.

=( Cross-dressing is a blast! Apparently you have never been to a drag show... you would laugh your ass off!

[camobch0]

At 4/27/10 08:42 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 4/27/10 12:02 AM, TG99 wrote: Gays are good. Each and every one of them.

So do you think those gay priest who diddle little children are "good"?

Alot of those priests aren't actually gay. they just crave sex like all other humans, and god doesn't discriminate against priests raping children. Granted, some of them probably are gay. Some pedos are gay. It doesn't mean all of them are gay.

[Ytaker]

At 4/26/10 06:51 PM, AlexMcGreagor wrote: I have been hearing lots of people say bad stuff about gays so I thought I should make a topic where people can argue their point of view.

Not bad.

In my opinion there is nothing bad about gays, at least they don't contribute to overpopulation. And it's not like if someones gay they are stupid or hot-headed, they simply like others of the same gender.

Yeah, but they do contribute to the growing far too many old people to young people ratio problem.

They're notably different in general characteristics to the average straight person. They're richer (despite taking lower paying opposite sex jobs- this makes them an extremely lucrative, and loyal to those who're nice to them market for businesses), overwhelmingly left wing (around jewish levels), slightly less religious than straight people (higher beliefs in pantheism, less likely to pray, go to church) have shorter life lengths, higher education, about 2 points higher iq, higher suicide and depression rate, huge levels of stds among gay men, higher marital violence.

Those are all the obvious differences I can think of.

The most obvious factor of hate I can think of is, the idea that they're pedophiles. Someone has already expressed it here. And while it is true that gay men have lower reported level of attraction to young children, since they look like girls, a lot are attracted to young men, who may be underage, which may be where the idea comes from- a great number of the boys abused in priest pedophile cases were teenagers. No one seems to be saying they're bad here though.

[sinfulwolf]

Where'd you get those stats from?

[Ytaker]

At 4/27/10 08:26 PM, sinfulwolf wrote: Where'd you get those stats from?

Mix of places. Just to give some signifigant facts- they may well be much richer because they spend less time on children.

http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/entry/3 6386/gays-lesbians-earn-far-more-than-me dia-us-household-income/

Or this.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0 254/is_n4_v54/ai_17599602/

Here's one.

http://www.barna.org/barna-update/articl e/13-culture/282-spiritual-profile-of-ho mosexual-adults-provides-surprising-insi ghts

A poll on their religious attitudes, with an aim to showing that they're not godless heretics.

On diseases.

http://www.avert.org/usa-transmission-ge nder.htm

62% of male to male transmission of HIV is from male male sexual contact.

There's lots of differences between people.

http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2007/09/
homosexuality-and-iq-looking-at.html

Gay men have a slight IQ advantage on straight men. While this may not seem like much, it means they have more geniuses among their numbers.

[sinfulwolf]

Thank you. I'll have to go through those, could be some interesting reading.

[Gunner-D]

At 4/27/10 06:57 PM, Ytaker wrote: They're notably different in general characteristics to the average straight person.

...

Those are all the obvious differences I can think of.

Wow, you have described my mental stereotype of gay people dead on. Someone should MS Paint that.

[TG99]

At 4/27/10 08:42 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 4/27/10 12:02 AM, TG99 wrote: Gays are good. Each and every one of them.

So do you think those gay priest who diddle little children are "good"?

Those are pedophile gays. Pedophiles = bad. So I stand corrected....I think.

[Memorize]

At 4/26/10 06:51 PM, AlexMcGreagor wrote:

Gays, Good Or Bad?

Neutral...?