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"We're going to demonstrate how deadly this bat is, by hitting a gel skull filled with blood with it."

Pretty dumb show. The weapons they use could be spoons, and the demonstrations would still make them look OMGSUPER deadly.

this is the best show on television.

this shows a joke. A viking losing to a samuri yeah ok!!!!!!!

At 4/26/10 05:37 PM, RacistBassist wrote: GSG9<Swat

Show lost all credibility with that.

Oh, and with Spetsnaz beating IRA.

IRA nail bomb=nobody wins!

I saw the IRA beat the Taliban one as well. But to be honest the show is fucking ridiculous. Cringe worthy and should only be laughed at. The "IRA experts" were plastic paddys of the highest calibre.

If it involves weapons and it has some kinda gore I'm in!

At 4/27/10 12:05 AM, Jon-86 wrote: I saw the IRA beat the Taliban one as well. But to be honest the show is fucking ridiculous. Cringe worthy and should only be laughed at. The "IRA experts" were plastic paddys of the highest calibre.

Ok, so let's have an ex-Spetznaz soldier go against the historian nephew of someone who was in the IRA. How well they do with the weapons determines the winner!

Particular thoughts?Sure.
The site is being an asshole and doesn't let me watch the episodes because I'm not American so I have to get them in...other ways.
Apart from that, it's a good entertainment show, the people in there are very likeable.
Something that all the idiots posting on the site (Spike's site, I mean) should understand is that this show isn't supposed to be neither historically nor technically accurate.
I mean come on, it's just for fun, chill the fuck out.
After watching my first episode (Viking Vs Samurai-I know it's not the first, but it's the first one I watched) I raged because I thought "Why one on one?of course a Samurai is better than a Viking in one on one...they had better individual training.But in actual combat the Viking army was an unstoppable force, many times the size of any Samurai force"
But after watching some other episodes I understood what I said before...it's just entertainment.
With that being said, I can't wait for episode two (of season 2, of course).

At 4/26/10 11:18 PM, smeagol1 wrote: this shows a joke. A viking losing to a samuri yeah ok!!!!!!!

While it pains me to say this, 1 on 1 a Viking most likely would lose, however, in numbers, the outcome would be in the Vikings favor in my opinion

At 4/27/10 12:11 AM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 4/27/10 12:05 AM, Jon-86 wrote: I saw the IRA beat the Taliban one as well. But to be honest the show is fucking ridiculous. Cringe worthy and should only be laughed at. The "IRA experts" were plastic paddys of the highest calibre.

Ok, so let's have an ex-Spetznaz soldier go against the historian nephew of someone who was in the IRA. How well they do with the weapons determines the winner!

Honestly the Russian would win. But that's not the point, the point is you cant compare them. The re-enactments dont amount to anything. I would say the Russian army if it were occupying Ireland instead of the British they wouldn't do any better against the IRA as a whole.

Thats the flaw of this program, it nit-picks. In the IRA - Taliban one (one of the only two I have seen) The Taliban had the RPG as their heavy weapon, as if the IRA never used them? The people on that show should be embarrassed really. Although I would love to see the IRA vs the UVF just for a laugh.

The only real issue is they didn't have the Pirate vs. Ninja match up. Although, it's pretty much a mood point considering the fact that the pirate has guns and the ninja doesn't have body armor.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the only one I highly disagree on is the GB vs. Spetznaz, considering the fact that although the weapons are similar, the track record between them should have played a small part. The GB have never lost a fight in their history (Vietnam is debatable) whereas the Spetznaz, the only major conflict they were in was in Afghanistan in the 80's, and they were driven out by the Mujaheddin, which were a poorly trained, rag tag group of rebels.

At 4/26/10 06:59 PM, RacistBassist wrote: What the hell are you talking about? In 12 episodes, there will be 12 winners.

Yeah, but you had to have 24 warriors to get 12 winners. If you didn't make it a competition you could take 24 warriors and turn it into 24 episodes... making one season into two seasons.

And just for your information, they do give one show each to each pair of warriors.

I know. That's the part I don't like.

Because it is more interesting then just straight up saying the weapon diagnostics.

I disagree.

Why does it matter if people are cocky on a TV show?

I just don't like cocky people. Everything has it's place but this isn't it. This isn't a rap battle or an actual fight. It's a group of people who have never met showing off ancient weapons. Insulting your competition isn't going to affect the outcome so why do it? To show off what a small dicked jerk you are? I'll pass.

So you only like the last 2 minutes of the show?

No. In fact the last 2 minutes are the worst. I like the parts where they talk about the weapon and then use the weapon. I hate the parts where they talk shit to each other and then show you a badly acted fight.

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It's really not worth arguing about. They're not going to change the format of the show for me. I'm just saying that I'd prefer it without the competition.

Don'tcha just love flame wars?

At 4/27/10 01:17 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Yeah, but you had to have 24 warriors to get 12 winners. If you didn't make it a competition you could take 24 warriors and turn it into 24 episodes... making one season into two seasons.

And not have any matchups. Which would mean just pure weapon diagnostics.

I know. That's the part I don't like.

It's the whole show

I disagree.

You can google the weapon diagnostics.

I just don't like cocky people. Everything has it's place but this isn't it. This isn't a rap battle or an actual fight. It's a group of people who have never met showing off ancient weapons. Insulting your competition isn't going to affect the outcome so why do it? To show off what a small dicked jerk you are? I'll pass.

You have never been a part of anything competitive before. If you get so butthurt of off people being cocky, you won't make it in this world.

No. In fact the last 2 minutes are the worst. I like the parts where they talk about the weapon and then use the weapon. I hate the parts where they talk shit to each other and then show you a badly acted fight.

Then go google weapons and you'll have more fun.

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It's really not worth arguing about. They're not going to change the format of the show for me. I'm just saying that I'd prefer it without the competition.

You mean if they made the show into nothing like it is now?

William Wallace of Scotland is the ultimate warrior. And by ultimate warrior I mean the ultimate warrior. All else would be pwned by the mighty Scottish beast!

At 4/27/10 05:35 PM, RacistBassist wrote: And not have any matchups. Which would mean just pure weapon diagnostics.

Yeah, pretty much. I like to see the weapons in action, I like to watch the people use them. I just don't like the part where team A insults team B.

Like I said before, it's not so much the competition that bothers me, just the way the people go about it. Think about it, these people have never met before... ever. So why the hate? It's either all fake or everybody on that show is a douche-bag. Either way, it's stupid.

You have never been a part of anything competitive before. If you get so butthurt of off people being cocky, you won't make it in this world.

It's one thing to talk trash during a basketball game or a boxing match. It's personal... you've been training a long time for this event. Training to beat a specific person or a specific group. A lot is at stake... you wanna win the big game at the end of the year or punch a guy in the face really hard. But not all competitions need people talking trash.

The main diffrence between this and say... a game of basketball is that these people don't know each other... there's nothing personal here. It's not like they're actually fighting or going to win some major award. These people didn't do anything at all... they didn't even design the weapons they're using. They're just showing off ancient tools.

Are these people really so insecure that they have to insult each other over something that their opponent has no control over? It just seems like real douche-bag behavior to me.

There is such a thing as "friendly competition".

At 4/27/10 06:39 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Yeah, pretty much. I like to see the weapons in action, I like to watch the people use them. I just don't like the part where team A insults team B.

Wouldn't have anyone watch it.

Like I said before, it's not so much the competition that bothers me, just the way the people go about it. Think about it, these people have never met before... ever. So why the hate? It's either all fake or everybody on that show is a douche-bag. Either way, it's stupid.

You think the hate between the Spetsnaz and Green Berets wasn't real?

The main diffrence between this and say... a game of basketball is that these people don't know each other... there's nothing personal here. It's not like they're actually fighting or going to win some major award. These people didn't do anything at all... they didn't even design the weapons they're using. They're just showing off ancient tools.

When I played Football, I knew one guy out of the 10 or so years that I have played. Did that stop me from talking trash? Hell no, I didn't even care for the sport. Talking trash just makes the game more fun. And both sides talk trash, you act as if one side is just bullying another.

Are these people really so insecure that they have to insult each other over something that their opponent has no control over? It just seems like real douche-bag behavior to me.

Both sides are doing it. A show where the guys just go in and test the guns does not sell. If you're so butthurt about, go watch something else.

There is such a thing as "friendly competition".

Yeah, talking trash can be competitive, in my opinion, it raises the level of competitiveness. Look at Muhammad Ali. Everyone wanting to beat the living shit out of him for what he was saying made it more interesting.

I thought this show was cool at first but after a few episodes I lost respect for it, mainly because the "MAGICAL" program used to determine the winner in most of these fights is flawed and biased

It's not WARRIOR vs WARRIOR it's GUY WITH WEAPON vs GUY WITH ANOTHER WEAPON
the "info" gathered by the machines deals directly from how hard a certain weapon rapes a chunk of gelatin
Never mind the fact that a 50 pound axe takes a lot of grunt force to lift and swing around sluggishly! It deals more damage than a regular 8 pound sword that allows a soldier to be more maneuverable and swing more times! "EDGE: BATTLE AXE!"

this becomes a huge problem with fights like SWAT vs GSG8 as guns make fights a whole lot more random and forces the program to nitpick and struggle with its limited AI
I bet if they ran the test 1000 more times that fight would have been much more different

At 4/27/10 07:30 PM, naronic wrote:

this becomes a huge problem with fights like SWAT vs GSG8 as guns make fights a whole lot more random and forces the program to nitpick and struggle with its limited AI

It's not like that at all. Like going back to the favored match here, spetiznaz vs. GB. For the pistol range competition they could have easily given the different sides each others pistols and being experiecned shooters they could do what they do. Or they could have mechanically tested accuracy and all that. But they didn't. They made it about the warriors.
Plus they have to consider things like ammo capacity (what gave the tommy gun advantage over the sten) fireing rate (any episode with an auto shotgun vs. pump action) and reliability (the pirates pistols being not so much)

I bet if they ran the test 1000 more times that fight would have been much more different

And if they ran it a million times it would be even more accurate. But you need a cut off.

At 4/27/10 09:34 PM, stafffighter wrote: It's not like that at all. Like going back to the favored match here, spetiznaz vs. GB. For the pistol range competition they could have easily given the different sides each others pistols and being experiecned shooters they could do what they do. Or they could have mechanically tested accuracy and all that. But they didn't. They made it about the warriors.

I have to disagree with this. An IRA historian is nowhere near as trained as an Ex-Spetsnaz operator.

But that's just my opinion

At 4/27/10 10:01 PM, RacistBassist wrote: I have to disagree with this. An IRA historian is nowhere near as trained as an Ex-Spetsnaz operator.

But that's just my opinion

He wasn't even a historian if I remember right he was one of the descendent of someone who took part in the 1916 easter rising. Just using the name and legacy of that so the show can go "this guys great great grand-daddy was a real life example, so everything his descendent says must be right, right audience"

That guy has no shame making money off his name alone. It's sad!

At 4/27/10 11:39 PM, Jon-86 wrote: He wasn't even a historian if I remember right he was one of the descendent of someone who took part in the 1916 easter rising. Just using the name and legacy of that so the show can go "this guys great great grand-daddy was a real life example, so everything his descendent says must be right, right audience"

IRA historian, the nephew of one of the big leaders. What I am saying is they shouldn't of had him run the course

That guy has no shame making money off his name alone. It's sad!

On this week's episode i saw them try and compare a catapult and a hatchet.

Guess what the result was?

At 4/27/10 07:05 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Yeah, talking trash can be competitive, in my opinion,

I agree that trash talking can be good, but I don't think it's a neccessary requirement for competition.

If this was Robotwars, then I'd say it's ok... because the people on the show actually built the robots that are fighting. There's something personal there between the competitiors. At this point, it really is about who the better person is. But on Deadliest Warriors, that's not the case. These guys didn't make the weapons, they're just using them on pig carcasses to see how much damage they did. Insulting me because a cavemans club doesn't work as well as an Aztecs dagger is like me calling you a cock-sucker for something my roomate did 6 weeks ago.

At least, that's how I see it.

I'm 1 for 2 this season. Fucking attila the hun. But does anyone else agree that green beret-Spetsnaz was bullshit? I'm pretty sure the green beret's would carry a real knife into battle, not a damn shovel.

At 4/26/10 05:31 PM, CacheHelper wrote:

duchebag

luwl

I like the show, its lots of fun, it just is very inacurate. (spelling.. sorry..) Its great to watch the fake show at the end, but the way they test the weapons and the bias they put on them really sucks. The program they use, I don't believe they can accurately test with that. Remember the fight of spartan vs ninja? The odds of finding a fully armed spartan alone, or a ninja attacking him when he is fully armed is almost 0%. On true battlefeild warrior vs warrior, in actual 1000 fights, its determined by terrain and the skill of the warrior. They immediately put down any weapons that dont give a "kill blow", even when they are dangerous enough to hinder your opponent to the point of paralysation. (more spelling.) It just lacks the dynamics of real life. Vikings could beat samurais any day. The fights were biased, and the numbers the one computer guy puts into the computer are increased or lowered based on whoever got the "edge" of the challenge for a specific weapon, which is based on opinion and not fact. The pirate's blunderbuss got the edge vs the french knight's halberd, when the blunderbuss misfired WHEN THEY WERE TESTING IT, it was that bad. I can pull all this info from the show because regardless of how innacurate it is, its very fun to watch. Betting on winners is great, and sure beats sports!

At 4/27/10 11:59 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

IRA historian, the nephew of one of the big leaders. What I am saying is they shouldn't of had him run the course

That guy has no shame making money off his name alone. It's sad!

Well that's the problem when they use a group like that on the show. You're not going to get a real member in for a tv apperance.

It's something to watch when bored. I'm not crazy about it but it's pretty interesting.

I like the Samurai against Spartan one.

At 4/28/10 05:33 PM, stafffighter wrote: Well that's the problem when they use a group like that on the show. You're not going to get a real member in for a tv apperance.

Which is why I say they just bring in a trained weapons specialist to run the course, unless they have an actual member there.

It would add a lot to the validity of the results.

At 4/28/10 05:57 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 4/28/10 05:33 PM, stafffighter wrote: Well that's the problem when they use a group like that on the show. You're not going to get a real member in for a tv apperance.

Which is why I say they just bring in a trained weapons specialist to run the course, unless they have an actual member there.

It would add a lot to the validity of the results.

So with that argument can you admit that in cases of actual members i.e GB vs. Speznaz that the results weren't just about the guns but about the warriors?
The same princible can apply to historic warriors when there are modern practitioners of the fighting style, like the shoalin vs. mauri episode.