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At 5/20/10 09:41 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 5/20/10 09:03 PM, SatansPlunger wrote: Do I support Arizona and it's actions? Yes, they need to get something done, just take a god damned look at the place. It's going to hell.

If Arizona was truly wanting to fight crime this bill will actually severly hurt their efforts. they will lose many good informants and possible leads due to fear of deportation. AZ is making a political statement at ithe expense of its citizens' safety.

One of the benefits of immigration reform is that you can deport criminals. There are a lot of hispanic gangs. This makes it easier to send them back to america.

Not like they have many informants yet. Illegal immigrants don't trust american police services much, even in sanctuary cities.

At 5/23/10 08:12 PM, Ytaker wrote: One of the benefits of immigration reform is that you can deport criminals. There are a lot of hispanic gangs. This makes it easier to send them back to america.

I am pretty sure they already have the ability to deport criminals. The change here is that the police are charged with the active duty of seeking out illegal immigrants.

Not like they have many informants yet. Illegal immigrants don't trust american police services much, even in sanctuary cities.

This makes my point even stronger. If the relationship is already tenuous, making it more strained will only hurt crime fighting.

I bet Arizona is going to find (if the law is upheld) that it isn't going to help fight crime. They'll probably make a big show of deporting thousands of peaceful illegals and leave the criminals in place. The ones who are commtting crimes aren't doing things like petty theft, they're commiting kidnappings and horriffic murders. If AZ is dumb to think that these people who committ rough crimes without getting caught are going to be stopped by immigration control.

if you were born in a certain geographic area you are automatically more entitled to live in that area than people on the other side of some abstract imaginary boarder

At 4/26/10 09:28 PM, adrshepard wrote: Bunch of stuff

I have to agree with this guy. Why do people feel so obligated to condone and even encourage illegals to live in America. HELLO! A lot of them don't pay taxes yet collect welfare from our social security fund when they haven't paid a dime to it. And why the hell should we give someone citizenship to our country just because they have a baby here? That makes no sense. So let them live here and raise a child that will probably equally contribute nothing?

One of the most common arguments is that conditions in Mexico are so bad. And that they want to make a good future for their children. Well I've done my research and have found that not only is the educational system in Mexico far superior to the United States', it also has some of the top universities in the world. Plus, if it's so bad there, why are they making no effort to stay and attempt to make it better? Why do they have to come up here and ruin our economy as well?

And on a personal note, I hate when obvious illegals come into the store I work at and get angered and frustrated when I can't speak Spanish. Well I'm sorry, I was kind of born here, and here we speak English. I notice that they aren't making much effort to learn our language, so the Government is working around for THEM and making a lot of things in English and Spanish.

I believe that if at least they try to make an effort to get citizenship, they should be allowed in the country for the duration because it does take a long time. But just because it takes a long time, doesn't mean they should be lazy and not do it. Sheesh. At least Arizona has the balls to do something about this problem. I can't wait until Texas follows suit.

At 4/26/10 06:07 PM, peanutfoot932 wrote: We already have countless protections against illegal immigration. Additional laws just give the government undue power, especially in this case. I mean, seriously, how would this not lead to racial profiling? Police are required to question people they think might be illegal immigrants.

It is the job of the police to enforce the laws and that includes our immigration laws. This is not an episode of "undue power", it is a failure of the United States' law enforcement personnel to enforce these laws. Arizona is looking to set an example, to enforce laws that already exist.

Drug cartels should be dealt with as their own issue; the majority of illegal immigrants are decent, hard-working people who just want good job opportunities, not violent drug smugglers.

Regardless of whether they are drug smugglers or just average joes, they are all criminals just the same. A criminal is one who breaks the law and they knowingly broke the law when they illegally crossed into this country. Don't try to make them seem like "good" people, that is just off the mark.

It did get Obama seriously addressing the issue, though, which is good.

Not really. Obama is attacking Arizona for having enough responsibility to deal with the problem. On this issue at least, Obama has been more of a problem than anything else.

At 8/20/10 12:32 AM, ZeldaFreak701 wrote: I have to agree with this guy. Why do people feel so obligated to condone and even encourage illegals to live in America. HELLO! A lot of them don't pay taxes yet collect welfare from our social security fund when they haven't paid a dime to it. And why the hell should we give someone citizenship to our country just because they have a baby here? That makes no sense. So let them live here and raise a child that will probably equally contribute nothing?

Strange, because ALL illegals who are not paid under the table pay FICA but as illegals are inelligible to recieve the benefits, should they exist after the greatets Generation and the boomers rape it away.

One of the most common arguments is that conditions in Mexico are so bad. And that they want to make a good future for their children. Well I've done my research and have found that not only is the educational system in Mexico far superior to the United States', it also has some of the top universities in the world. Plus, if it's so bad there, why are they making no effort to stay and attempt to make it better? Why do they have to come up here and ruin our economy as well?

Armchair quarterbacking. Any idiot in a prosperous country with enough money to feed their family can say "well don't they just try to make their country better?" For those in the country who cannot feed or adequately house thier family, or are ducking the crossfire of an increasingly violent drug war, have more immediate things to worry about than making their country better. That is why they come up here. Our low standard is pretty nice for most third world countries and we do not have the rampant out of control violence that many nations have.

And on a personal note, I hate when obvious illegals come into the store I work at and get angered and frustrated when I can't speak Spanish. Well I'm sorry, I was kind of born here, and here we speak English. I notice that they aren't making much effort to learn our language, so the Government is working around for THEM and making a lot of things in English and Spanish.

Yes, they are wrong for EXPECTING you to speak Spanish to them. However you are wrong for EXPECTING everyone to speak English to you. This is not a homogenous fascist country. We have numerous groups of people each with the freedom to speak or nto speak whatever language(s) they choose. However, if they cannot purchase from your store they have no right to get mad.

I believe that if at least they try to make an effort to get citizenship, they should be allowed in the country for the duration because it does take a long time. But just because it takes a long time, doesn't mean they should be lazy and not do it. Sheesh. At least Arizona has the balls to do something about this problem. I can't wait until Texas follows suit.

Immigration is highly expensive and also is heavily weighted against the types of people that immigrate illegally. Most Visas are given to people who are highly educated and are well to do. Those who are highly impoverished and unemployed are highly unlikely to even qualify for a visa, let alone have the resources to get one.

You can dislike like illegal immigration all you want, but, dammit, understand it first.

At 8/20/10 04:35 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

Immigration is highly expensive and also is heavily weighted against the types of people that immigrate illegally. Most Visas are given to people who are highly educated and are well to do. Those who are highly impoverished and unemployed are highly unlikely to even qualify for a visa, let alone have the resources to get one.

You can dislike like illegal immigration all you want, but, dammit, understand it first.

what's your point? I wouldn't mind spending a few years in Japan to improve my learning of Japanese language and culture, but I'm not gonna build a raft and row my way over there and expect to be able to get a job and a home there. Once I've saved up the dough to spend some time there, I'm gonna go there the proper way. get a tourists visa and see about finding a way to remain over there. Nor am I going to bitch about people there who don't speak english. and I'm not going to expect any and all documents i end up having to fill out be written in english either.

hell, you never know, I might wind up as a translator, or an english teacher there someday (yeah right...)

At 8/20/10 10:07 PM, Korriken wrote: what's your point?

I understand, you, a citizen who is most likely somewhat well off from a very wealthy country who is willing to take the time to go through the system properly. I have done it, with tons of help, and I respect all else who give it a shot. However, we cannot put our experiences and backgrounds on to those who dhave neither. Most of the immigrants are in such dire straights where they come from that the shit $4 an hor jobs they get is huge money. They do not have the luxury of being able to wait and trudge through the process like I did, and you and many others will. they can either choose to live in their horrible and unsafe life, waiting for a visa they are most likely not elligible for, or illegally hop the border for the slight chance they stay and create a better life for themselves and their families.

I do not condone their actions, but at least try to understand WHY they do it. Understand why they resort to illegal methods. Only then can you actually fight the problem. otherwise all you do is shout meaningless and harmful statements.

hell, you never know, I might wind up as a translator, or an english teacher there someday (yeah right...)

Cool, but still slightly off the point.

Look you can all tell your sides on how difficult it is to get citizenship here and that it is simply easier to just live her illegally. But the point it, it is illegal to live in a country without citizenship. It may be for the wrong reasons, but that is up to the opinion holder. I think the reform has the right idea, but they aren't going about it the right way. Still, I'm all for deporting the illegals. Getting citizenship is hard, but it isn't impossible.

I think that law is a bad option in the fight against the racism. The USA is the country of liberty. Why can't the ilegal mexicans live in the country of the dreams?
Respect the drug cartels it can be a good idea for stop them, i admit it, but they can enter in the country in a boat from Colombia to California, for example.

At 8/27/10 04:59 PM, Sonvra wrote: I think that law is a bad option in the fight against the racism. The USA is the country of liberty. Why can't the ilegal mexicans live in the country of the dreams?
Respect the drug cartels it can be a good idea for stop them, i admit it, but they can enter in the country in a boat from Colombia to California, for example.

You have to be joking, right? If you're an illegal alien, then you have no right to be in the United States, under any circumstances. They are criminals, all of them, and as such, they should all be deported.

At 8/27/10 05:13 PM, Jedi-Master wrote: You have to be joking, right? If you're an illegal alien, then you have no right to be in the United States, under any circumstances. They are criminals, all of them, and as such, they should all be deported.

Here, here!

At 8/27/10 06:00 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Florida judge tells illegal aliens who raped 12 yr old, "You are not worthy of being buried in USA"

see we need more officials like this guy, though I think it would be better to just put a bullet between each of their eyes or feed them to gators.

Indeed we do need more guys like him. Now the whole "feed them to gators" thing is rather harsh, some form of the death penalty would be appropriate for those bastards.

At 8/27/10 05:19 PM, Spackled wrote:

At 8/27/10 05:13 PM, Jedi-Master wrote: You have to be joking, right? If you're an illegal alien, then you have no right to be in the United States, under any circumstances. They are criminals, all of them, and as such, they should all be deported.

Here, here!

Great! More people who care about the national security of this country! :D

At 8/27/10 06:00 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Florida judge tells illegal aliens who raped 12 yr old, "You are not worthy of being buried in USA"

see we need more officials like this guy, though I think it would be better to just put a bullet between each of their eyes or feed them to gators.

Oh God no. We do NOT need more judges like him. It is OK for politicians to say fiery shit like this, but judges, the arbiters of the law? Judges like this who take the law and anal rape it with their views are a cancer on the law and our liberty. I do not say this because I disagree with the judge. i say this because this guy is a fucking judge! he's not a congressman or a councilmember. He is not supposed to use his emotions. His job is to ensure the law is upheld and performed in a DISPASSIONATE manner. he well overstepped his bounds to the detriment of ALL Americans and should lose his seat on the bench and should be disbarred.

At 8/27/10 09:04 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: ^^Keep your liberal rhetoric to yourself this man was a true patriot no if we only had more congress man and state legislators that work in the border states like this Illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't be persuaded to come here illegally.

So it's okay for a judge, someone who is supposed to make logical decisions with as little emotional involvement as possible, to not do so as long as they're a true patriot?

What if a judge reacted so emotionally if say, a gay person or an illegal immigrant was a victim? Oh wait, he probably wouldn't be a *true* patriot then.

I still say put a giant wall on the border and put outpost 10 miles apart would be great not only does it give safety to our borders it would create so many jobs TO LEGAL CITIZENS it could help the economy. then we put SHOOT ON SITE orders a bam no more illegal immigrants.

And that's totally not a violation of human rights.

At 8/27/10 09:04 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: ^^Keep your liberal rhetoric to yourself this man was a true patriot no if we only had more congress man and state legislators that work in the border states like this Illegal immigration wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't be persuaded to come here illegally.

No. This man disgraced his position and the profession of law by inserting his political opinion in place of where he should have been stating the law. Also, don't be so naive to believe I disagree with everything he said.

I still say put a giant wall on the border and put outpost 10 miles apart would be great not only does it give safety to our borders it would create so many jobs TO LEGAL CITIZENS it could help the economy. then we put SHOOT ON SITE orders a bam no more illegal immigrants.

Ah yes, the minimun wage and farm working professions are in so much demand and are the backbone of the economy. Puh-lease. Use a real fucking argument, not a bullshit strawman like this.

At 8/27/10 10:48 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: there are FEDERAL laws for crimes against gays (which just have been passed), which the judge has to upohold as for a illegal immigrant after they give their testimony they get deported.

So? That makes up for the fact that the judge used the sacred system of law to go on a personal political rant? The judge has all the places in the world to espouse his political vies, yet he chose the ONE place where he is ETHICALLY bound to be impartial.

the shoot on site maybe but at least they should be able detain and deport there asses back.

There is nothing wrong with stating the law. The problem is he improperly, and unethically, used the bench as a position from which to espouse POLITICAL, not legal, views.

its not unheard of for a judge to add a extra condition, He upheld the law they get their punishment AND they get deported but with a little twist they get a one way ticket back in a PINE BOX. personally I think its a great idea to send their bodies back to mexico after they serve their life sentence,

Again, don't care about conditions, but dammit the bench is not the place for a political speech or punitry!

(though it is a shame I have to use my tax money to house these SCUMBAGS) I only hope they get shanked in prison because prisoners look down upon sex offenders and rapists (especially child rapists) so I can only hope.

Someone's judgment is clouded by hate... Sadly, so is this judges. Hopefully he gets removed and disbarred so he cannot force his political views upon the blind justice system. The place where politics and law meet is in the legislatures, the executive branch, and at the voting booths, NOT the courts.

At 8/28/10 12:26 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: in some areas of the country it is you should see where I came from (Minnesota/North dakota area) and its heavily farmed. and you wouldn't believe how much much it effects the local economy, especially LOCALLY.

I live in a place like that too. Guess what? The influx of immigrants, especially latino, many of whom are illegal is actually a huge boon to the economy. There is an entire sector of latino businesses that no doubt gets a lot of their business from illegal immigrants. You also did not address my point. I said that the existents of illegals in minimun wage positions and less than minimun wage farm work is hurting legal Americans' job prospects how?

it wasn't political at all it was purely legal.

The addition of deporting the bodies because they are not worthy of being buried in this country? How is that legal. Give me the statute, regulation or case that sets a precedent for it.

beg to differ alot of politics go into court, prop 8, the Monica Lewonisky affair with ol clinton just to VOTE RECOUNTS just name a few but this was purely legal.

Yeah, to get their LEGALITY checked. Prop 8 is a violation of the 14th Amendment. It went to court to see if a state even has the right to pass such a law. Lewinsky and Paula Jones were suing for sexual harrasment. Clinton's lying turned it political, not the judge.

my judgement is clouded by the darkside! all jokes aside thee guys deserved thy came in here illegally which is a crime all knowing it was illegal, then they go and rape a 12 year old girl who is probably SCARRED for LIFE these guys got off easy. this wasn't political at all just how this judgment ended up could be used as political.

Sorry, I misread the last paragraph. It sounded like you harbored this staunch hate for all illegals. These two men are evil and should be punished, but the judge's creative sentencing was only a political ploy to make a news story out of the fact that this was illegal immigrant crime. Seriously, Judge, there are enough politicians to make points like that. Just STFU and do your damn job.

And what would you think if a country deports you, because you want to get a job on a rich country for send money to your poor family?
Many illegal immigrants are criminals, but that's because they can't get a normal job or they have a traumatic life.
You cannot say that someone is a criminal because he cames from a shit of country.

Well most immigrants get so many benifits(not joking either they get health care and other things) and when the illegal immigrants come in they get the same benifits that should not happen. Arizona has the rght idea of stoping the illegals coming in(in the process if making them look like they have something against hispanics). But this law probably won't pass.

At 8/28/10 12:39 PM, Sonvra wrote: And what would you think if a country deports you, because you want to get a job on a rich country for send money to your poor family?
Many illegal immigrants are criminals, but that's because they can't get a normal job or they have a traumatic life.
You cannot say that someone is a criminal because he cames from a shit of country.

Actually, if you've committed a crime, you are a criminal, regardless. So yeah, I would much prefer that these guys stay in their own shit countries. Or come here legally. Oh, and the fact that these people come here to get jobs, then send money away from the country, into poorer countries actually drains our economy further. There is no excuse for illegal immigration.

As a Mexican myself, I have to say the new law at first sight, looks racist.
I investigated a bit about that law and I don't think it's THAT racist, anymore. I live near of Arizona and people that have gone there, have told me that my country is bitching a lot about it. Authorities just ask people for documentation if they think they're immigrants. But how do they can come up with that? By the color of that person.
I don't see anything wrong with it, as long authorities don't start to arrest people like crazy or treat them awful. It's not like: Oh shitty cop! You're a racist bitch! Just because I'm black, you think I'm an immigrant.
But talking again about the reform, considering those illegal immigrants as criminals is OK. After all: illegal = crime. Very logical, isn't it?
And yeah, my country is shit anyways. You're right, Jedi-Master. People here don't do anything to start working together as a nation. Even the people of my age don't care about their lives and future.
That's why I'm studying and preparing me to be an awesome Doctor, learning new languages (Hell, even a lot of people here, think that learning another language is useless), to be a successful person but outta of this place where only people with money or politicians, always win.
...And due to that lack of opportunities is the main reason of the illegal migrations. It's a cycle that it will be hard to break.

At 8/29/10 03:23 AM, ThePigeonMaster wrote:
But talking again about the reform, considering those illegal immigrants as criminals is OK. After all: illegal = crime. Very logical, isn't it?
And yeah, my country is shit anyways. You're right, Jedi-Master. People here don't do anything to start working together as a nation. Even the people of my age don't care about their lives and future.

Well, I said those words in the heat of the moment. I actually don't think Mexico is a shit country. Although the Government of Mexico is shit, and so is the police, cartels, etc. I hope one day that Mexico can be a prosperous country.

That's why I'm studying and preparing me to be an awesome Doctor, learning new languages (Hell, even a lot of people here, think that learning another language is useless), to be a successful person but outta of this place where only people with money or politicians, always win.

I hope you're successful in your endeavors. :)

...And due to that lack of opportunities is the main reason of the illegal migrations. It's a cycle that it will be hard to break.

Indeed. I hope we can find a humane solution to the problem. Not amnesty though...

At 8/29/10 03:23 AM, ThePigeonMaster wrote: I investigated a bit about that law and I don't think it's THAT racist, anymore. I live near of Arizona and people that have gone there, have told me that my country is bitching a lot about it. Authorities just ask people for documentation if they think they're immigrants. But how do they can come up with that? By the color of that person.

Wow, even a foreigner without first hand knowledge of our system can fathom what most conservatives cannot...

I don't see anything wrong with it, as long authorities don't start to arrest people like crazy or treat them awful. It's not like: Oh shitty cop! You're a racist bitch! Just because I'm black, you think I'm an immigrant.

The fact that officers would be stopping Latinos more than any other race is ALREADY a violation of the Constitution. The 14th Amendment grants us equal protection under the law. The lack of extra police attention just because of your race is one of those equal protections. Sure, it will still happen, but at least it is not codified.