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At 4/15/10 06:46 PM, Gagsy wrote: Quick, let's find flaws with something written well over 1500 years ago, before technology was far along enough to help us prove/disprove certain theories!

THIS.

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At 4/15/10 06:39 PM, dantehawesomeman wrote: A bat is a type of bird.
The moon is a source of light.
The Earth is flat.
Rabbits chew their cud.
Everything revolves around the Earth.
The Earth is stationary.
The water on the earth and the water in the sky are divided.
Snow and hail exist to save water for later use.

Post any more you know.

1) A bat being a type of bird, rodent, or whatever is just semantics.
2) The moon reflects sunlight so technically it can be considered a light source
3) Where does it say the Earth is flat?
4) Where does it say rabbits chew their cud?
5) All motion in space is relative. Whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun is entirely dependent upon your frame of reference. Either statement is actually true assuming the right frame of reference.
6) The water in the sky is humidity. It is divided from the water on the earth. This one is common sense. Honestly, why did you post that one?
7) I don't understand what you are trying to say with snow and hail, can you be more specific?

The Bible is the truth and your immature attempts to make it sound ridiculous have only exposed your own lack of understanding.

At 4/15/10 06:41 PM, Roytheshort3 wrote: Pi = 3

According to the bible...

Rounded to the nearest whole number it does. They didn't exactly have computers or anything back then, so the very fact they got that close with no technology at all is actually fairly impressive.

At 4/15/10 07:03 PM, BasementBeginnings wrote: We are all too tired, lazy, stoned, and bored to go down that road again. Even a perfectly normal 8-year-old (and I stress normal, he/she can't be religious) can come up with more than fifty reasons of why the Bible is crackerjack shit. There's no point in arguing. Some people can't be saved.

This thread is exhausting. Good day.

Some people can't be saved indeed, you are one of them. The Bible is not "crackerjack shit". Quite the contrary, there is quite a lot of evidence to back it up. The disciples were there with Jesus when He walked the Earth making them valuable historical records. Archeologists have already uncovered the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding earth does appear to be scorched in places. Even the oldest known translation (present in the Dead Sea Scrolls) proves excellent consistency with current version, eliminating the argument of translation entirely. You can grasp for straws and attempt to find ways to make the Bible look unreasonable (like the OP does) but that will only expose your own lack of understanding and/or your desire to mislead others.

You must have faith in Jesus Christ to be saved.

At 4/16/10 08:17 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: According to the Bible

Thou shalt not kill
The Romans ruled Israel
There is a city called Jerusalem

Indeed, no one should kill. I've yet to see any one argue that point. And the Romans did rule Israel. These are historical facts... what are you getting at?

At 4/16/10 01:18 PM, studmuffin7 wrote: The Bible is the truth and your immature attempts to make it sound ridiculous have only exposed your own lack of understanding.

Despite my "obvious troll" senses tingling, you've summed up a worthy rebuttal to the various "arguments" (and I use that term loosely,) posed in this topic.
Kudos either way.

At 4/16/10 01:27 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 4/16/10 08:17 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: According to the Bible

Thou shalt not kill
The Romans ruled Israel
There is a city called Jerusalem

Indeed, no one should kill. I've yet to see any one argue that point. And the Romans did rule Israel. These are historical facts... what are you getting at?

The OP asked for things it states in the Bible, so I answered with three things stated in the Bible. The OP didn't specify that they had to be false

I don't belive anything that can't be backed up with ACTUAL Bible scriptures however, I have proof of these :

- No socilalizing with wemon who are on there PERIODS : Leviticus 15: 19-20
- Cursing : Ephesians 5: 4
- Shaving : Leviticus 19:27
- Football on Saturday : Exodus 20: 8

At 4/16/10 01:58 PM, PuRpLe-KusH wrote: - No socilalizing with wemon who are on there PERIODS : Leviticus 15: 19-20

Amen.

At 4/16/10 01:58 PM, PuRpLe-KusH wrote: - No socilalizing with wemon who are on there PERIODS : Leviticus 15: 19-20

Yeah, no socializing with women demon.

In case you didn't catch that, he spelled women as wemon.

At 4/16/10 01:55 PM, Dogbert581 wrote:

At 4/16/10 01:27 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 4/16/10 08:17 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: According to the Bible

Thou shalt not kill
The Romans ruled Israel
There is a city called Jerusalem

Indeed, no one should kill. I've yet to see any one argue that point. And the Romans did rule Israel. These are historical facts... what are you getting at?

The OP asked for things it states in the Bible, so I answered with three things stated in the Bible. The OP didn't specify that they had to be false

In that case I must apologize to you. The OP seems rather bent on making the Bible appear unreasonable so he can criticize it. I made the mistake of thinking you were part of that. Sorry.

Ericho and Studmuffin...

They didn't have enough space in the Bible for pi = C/d?
They didn't have calculators so they had to use all whole numbers?

But really...
It doesn't look like it was even the number pi that they were rounding, if they were actually rounding anything.

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

"And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup"

Here's a website that even does the math for you.

At 4/16/10 03:30 PM, Bacchanalian wrote: Ericho and Studmuffin...

They didn't have enough space in the Bible for pi = C/d?
They didn't have calculators so they had to use all whole numbers?

But really...
It doesn't look like it was even the number pi that they were rounding, if they were actually rounding anything.

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

"And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup"

Here's a website that even does the math for you.

I'm not sure where you are going with all this. First of all, so what if they did round to whole numbers? Given the lack of mathematical knowledge back then, I would not be surprised if numbers other than integers were relatively unknown. And why is it so important that they include that formula? And what are those verses of yours even talking about and how does it relate to pi?

You speak with authority as if to make a point, but I see no coherence in your post at all.

Let's all be devout hindus. Their beliefs are just as silly as christianity. It doesn't matter if your religion has one god, several gods, or no god at all. They all have no proof towards them being true or false. The only real difference is that hindus tend to be more peaceful than Christians.

And they eat beef a lot less.

At 4/16/10 12:44 PM, Ericho wrote: Oh and by the way, the Moon is in fact a source of light, so the Bible's right on that one.

Only if you break it down into primary source and secondary source.

The sun is a primary source of light. The moon is a secondary source of light, because it reflects light from the sun. It does not produce its own light.

Isaiah 30:26, however, fails to make this distinction:

"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun."

If we are to take this passage as is, it is clearly stating that the moon's light is the same as the sun's light, which we know it isn't, because the moon doesn't even produce light for itself.

Once again, the only way for the bible to be "right" about this is if you interpret the passage wildly enough so that it fits what we now know to be true. As it stands, the bible is wrong. Again.

LOL SOUP GUYS I TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY BTW RELIGION CAUSES ALL WARS AND ITS TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE OF GREED

At 4/16/10 03:44 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: Isaiah 30:26, however, fails to make this distinction:

"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun."

If we are to take this passage as is, it is clearly stating that the moon's light is the same as the sun's light, which we know it isn't, because the moon doesn't even produce light for itself.

Once again, the only way for the bible to be "right" about this is if you interpret the passage wildly enough so that it fits what we now know to be true. As it stands, the bible is wrong. Again.

Actually, it doesn't take much of a change in interpretation for it to be correct. Actually, I will be using your very words to change it from an incorrect statement to a correct statement. The only way for the bible to be right may be depending on the interpretation, but to make it wrong it takes the same assumption.

Figure, as you said, it is stating that "the moon's light is the same as the sun's light", in your own words. That may be incorrect from the viewpoint that the moon's light is not the same as the sun's light in that the moon's light is not its own, but reflected from the sun's light.

However, when we interpret it this way:
The moon's light is the sun's light.

Therefore, Moon's light = Sun's light
and..
Sun's light = Sun's light

It is the same light, just a difference of how it arrives upon the Earth. Thus,

it is clearly stating that the moon's light is the same as the sun's light

Is a correct statement, since they are the same light.

At 4/16/10 03:58 PM, kdfsjljklgjfg wrote: However, when we interpret it this way:
The moon's light is the sun's light.

The bible doesn't say that. It says the moon's light shall be AS the light of the sun, implying the moon has its own light which bears some similarity to the sun's. If the passage just dropped the "as", it would say "the light of the moon shall be the light of the sun", which would be slightly closer to the truth.

Therefore, Moon's light = Sun's light

Except the bible doesn't say that.

It is the same light, just a difference of how it arrives upon the Earth.

Correct. But the bible still doesn't say that the light being reflected from the moon originally came from the sun, until you start removing words from its passages and/or otherwise completely changing their meaning.

Is a correct statement, since they are the same light.

It isn't a correct statement at all. You had to interpret it (read: completely change the implications of the passage) to get it looking kind-of right.

At 4/16/10 03:35 PM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 4/16/10 03:30 PM, Bacchanalian wrote: Ericho and Studmuffin...

They didn't have enough space in the Bible for pi = C/d?
They didn't have calculators so they had to use all whole numbers?

But really...
It doesn't look like it was even the number pi that they were rounding, if they were actually rounding anything.

"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

"And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup"

Here's a website that even does the math for you.

I'm not sure where you are going with all this. First of all, so what if they did round to whole numbers?

"if they were actually rounding anything."

In other words, I doubt whole-number rounding actually took place.

Given the lack of mathematical knowledge back then, I would not be surprised if numbers other than integers were relatively unknown.

The Babylonians could compute fractions and square roots.

And why is it so important that they include that formula? And what are those verses of yours even talking about and how does it relate to pi?

The verse discusses a bowl fixture in the Temple of Solomon. It denotes diameter (d) and circumference (C). From this we can deduce the factor between the two via division (C/d), and hey guess what... pi=C/d. The problem is that pi, the multiple, is 3.

In other words. There is no explicit reference to pi, but there is an implicit one. And I would argue that if they rounded anything, it would be C, since pi isn't even mentioned. Of course, you don't even have to round to end up with a 30 cubit circumference. Try actually reading the link to find out why.

You speak with authority as if to make a point, but I see no coherence in your post at all.

I love you too.

At 4/16/10 04:20 PM, Bacchanalian wrote: pi, the multiple, is 3.

Blah. Factor!

At 4/15/10 06:41 PM, Roytheshort3 wrote: Pi = 3

According to the bible...

To 1 d.p, it is.

At 4/15/10 06:39 PM, dantehawesomeman wrote: A bat is a type of bird.
The moon is a source of light.
The Earth is flat.
Rabbits chew their cud.
Everything revolves around the Earth.
The Earth is stationary.
The water on the earth and the water in the sky are divided.
Snow and hail exist to save water for later use.

Post any more you know.

The bible contains a lot of fiction, in fact a couple of libraries i've been to, you could always find abible amongst all the other fiction books and not fact.

At 4/15/10 06:39 PM, dantehawesomeman wrote: Post any more you know.

The Bible was written by wackos who thought God was speaking to them and therefore the Bible is the word of wackos and not the word of God like Christians think.

Wine transforms into water without ANY alchemy.

Lol alchemy.

At 4/16/10 03:44 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: "Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun."

Okay, okay. You do not have to be so specific on everything. That in no way implies that the moon is like the sun. When there is a full moon, that is good because it allows us for more light to be shown. That is simply common knowledge. I am willing to agree with you on pretty much everything else and with that pi comment I was being a little sarcastic. Pi technically is 3, it is just 3.14..., so saying pi is 3.14 is not correct, because it is really 3.14... If people say pi is 3.14, they are lying.

At 4/16/10 05:36 PM, greatwh1teshark wrote: The bible contains a lot of fiction, in fact a couple of libraries i've been to, you could always find abible amongst all the other fiction books and not fact.

That's because if you put the Bible in the non-fiction section at any public literary outpost you end up getting a number of pissy rants about how it shouldn't be there from butthurt idiots.

Rainbows shine out of Gods arse hole.