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Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 14:19:12 Reply

So, a couple of us (and this is as much my fault as anyone else's who was involved) failed to garner together or be motivated at all to finish stories for an anthology. So this is my current offer to those who want to try to publish something and get it in the Newgrounds store. I will consider this a separate and new project in case the other manages to somehow continue silently beneath the depths.

You may submit a story to me via pm and you may post portions of drafts on this site. There are no limits to whether the work can be submitted to other contests unless those contests would prohibit it from being published. It must be your work, and you must edit and revise your work. It must be interesting as well.

If there is a single grammatical or spelling error in anything you send to me, I will delete it and I likely won't respond to you. Given that there will be extremely stringent rules as to what is allowed into the anthology, it would be a good idea for you to work in groups to edit and those of you who do not feel creative enough to come up with your own story can be listed as editors if you help users edit and let me know which stories you worked on that have made it in.

I'm not sure yet whether I myself will have something to publish by the end of the year, but maybe I will. I see my function in this as organizer and goto guy.

If anybody wants to discuss their story with me, they can do so via pm or Google Wave. You may request my wave address via pm.

As of now there are no definitive due dates. If we don't have stories we can't publish. It would probably be a good idea to finish a strong draft by July if possible, but no one will be turned away if they write something amazing.

That said, I can not be faulted for the current level your writing is at. If you don't make the cut, let it be inspiration to drive you on. I will say that a majority of you could not have submitted any MWC entry you have ever written and expect it to be published in this, though there were several among the winners who could have if they had edited and revised further. This will be a great test of your commitment and capability. There are no limits to subject material, but anything overtly crass that makes no attempt at being art will probably be deleted without response.

A final note, please use these forums to their fullest in your endeavor to finish your work, but do not give too much away on here. A story people can read for free is unlikely to lead to anything being bought from the store. This is why I extend pms & google wave as an option for editing/revising and feedback.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 14:26:55 Reply

So... out of curiosity, what if something you think is spelled wrong is in the story, but actually is correct in the nation the author is from? Does that count as a spelling error enough to cause the story to be deleted.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 15:08:33 Reply

I'd love to be part of this, but seeing how English isn't my mothertongue, I'm uncertain if I can come up with anything that's 100% grammatically correct. I'll do my best, but please keep in mind that it might contain an error of sorts...

If you can't cope with that, I won't bother.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 15:29:16 Reply

It will be very evident to me if you spelled color with a 'u' as colour that it was a language mistake and not an editing lapse, however, I would encourage you to use American spelling if you know how as this will be sold on an American website.

If you find yourself unable to edit your work, find an editor. If you can't do that, sorry, you weren't willing to put the time into your work to write it. Why should anyone be expected to read it, let alone buy it?

Finally, if there are any concerns about me profiting off of your work, all of the profits will be funneled into printing more copies or into publishing future anthologies if this is a success. I'll be working on finding a way to finance publishing the books. I do plan to recooping what I can from the initial investment, but not on making money of it. I could easily sink $300 into this to get it going if any of you are actually willing to take me up on it.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 17:41:33 Reply

I'm sorry but don't you think you're setting the bar a little high?

I mean...even seasoned authors have a minor grammatical/spelling errors that might not get fixed in the final draft. Also I think that if someone decides to put in their story for the anthology but it doesn't get in, I believe that you should at least give them a response so that they could at least fix the problem and hopefully get the story re-submitted into the final draft.

While I do see the difference between someone making a rampant mistake every 2-3 sentences and someone misspelling one word in a 5-6 thousand word document...I believe that asking someone to be "100%" is too much considering that the majority of users are probably in this for fun rather than for profit.

While I can't speak for those users especially I do believe that you should be a little more lenient since we are only human and we do tend to make a little mistake every once in a while.

So that's really all that I have to say on the subject. Thank you for reading and I hope that you reconsider your criteria for the anthology.

have a nice day.

-Asioca0827

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 19:30:46 Reply

Awesome, I might give this a shot. Given 3-4 months, I can probably come up with something good (and error-free).
Also, if I don't, I would be glad to help anybody who wants some editing. I help a lot of people at school, and things seem to turn out alright for them.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 20:28:35 Reply

Interesting.
However, I must say, I once wrote a short story that had intentional grammer errors and bad spelling at certain parts because the narrator became aware that he was in a story being read. Quite funny it was.

I wouldn't mind contributing, but I will have to see where I am in a couple of months before I consider it. The writing I do for my creative writing class comes first.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 21:24:29 Reply

At 4/13/10 05:41 PM, Flyingdingo0827 wrote: I'm sorry but don't you think you're setting the bar a little high?

No, if I'm putting $300 dollars towards this, the least you can do is hand me a story that's flawless in terms of grammar & spelling; especially after I give you several months to work on it. If you aren't willing to put the time into it and your best work or even find an editor, you don't value your writing enough for me to desire to publish it.

The U.S. at least mandates everyone of of you will have access to basic training in spelling & grammar. You clearly have the internet, another tool which can teach you what you don't know. If anybody who wants to participate knows that they are too lazy to find another person to edit for them if they know they are incapable, I will not waste my time.

I mean...even seasoned authors have a minor grammatical/spelling errors that might not get fixed in the final draft. Also I think that if someone decides to put in their story for the anthology but it doesn't get in, I believe that you should at least give them a response so that they could at least fix the problem and hopefully get the story re-submitted into the final draft.

If it is clear that something fell through the cracks, but the story is otherwise amazing I will likely contact the author anyways to let them know they need to edit again. If the story has more than two errors and I'm not further than one paragraph through, I'll just stop reading. That's all there is to it. I will not waste my time because someone else was too lazy to do what they should have done.

I took a course in college where we were asked to write 10,000 documents and we were told for every grammar and spelling mistake found we would loose an entire letter grade. My professor called it the draconian rule, and amazingly it worked. I have confidence anyone who wants to be published in such an anthology of this will also have the respect for themselves and me to edit and revise their work.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 22:06:30 Reply

Glad to see this revived. At this point in time, I can't really say much for the old one. I think it's better on this forum, to have everything open for everyone, and open for discussion. I'll most definitely try to work on something for this. And I'd also be happy to chip in on the funds where I can. I certainly hope this one can see the light of day, as I think it'll be a great way to drive the writing community forward.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 22:22:18 Reply

If it would make it cheaper I can get the book ready for publication. I can do everything up until that actual printing.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-13 23:25:28 Reply

I have a few questions:

Are there any word count restrictions, general or strict?

Will users be allowed to submit more than one story, or, alternately, if there's a set limit for stories allowed have more than one story up for consideration?

Do they have to be stories? Are rants, observational articles, poetry, works of journalism etc. be accepted as well? Assuming they are well written, interesting, entertaining and/or have no grammar issues of course.

If one of your pieces of literature gets picked, is there any sort of awarding other than knowing you got published, such as store credit or an NG related prize, or even a free copy of the anthology?

How should we submit our works if they are completed? Via PM to you, Tom, or who? Should we host it as a file offline, or should just send it as a message? Or should we mail it, or what?

I'm just wondering, no matter what the answers are for these questions I'll probably atleast try to submit something or another, although these will definitely factor into what I submit.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-14 09:02:22 Reply

At 4/13/10 10:22 PM, TrevorW wrote: If it would make it cheaper I can get the book ready for publication. I can do everything up until that actual printing.

We planned originally on using that online print shop to publish the books that a lot of self publishers use. WritersBlock still has that info. I'm a little foggy on it, but I remember the numbers were reasonable enough for a 50 copy print that we could reprint off the profits if it sold well enough in the store. And of course, once this is all done, I'd like to approach the art guys to have a contest for the cover jacket.

If you want to jump in and handle layout, I'd be glad to discuss it with you. The more the merrier.

At 4/13/10 11:25 PM, Ass-Crumb wrote: I have a few questions:

Are there any word count restrictions, general or strict?
Will users be allowed to submit more than one story, or, alternately, if there's a set limit for stories allowed have more than one story up for consideration?

Don't write a novella unless you're the next A.M. Holmes or Millhauser. Otherwise, length ought to tend towards the longer side if its appropriate. If you want to do a couple flash fiction entries that would total up to a couple of pages in the book, it might be a cool way of interspersing content in the book. But otherwise, each person should aim to submit one story, and probably should aim for only one to begin with. We will likely not take more than one entry from any person, so if you've got more than one thing in mind save it for the next anthology or MWC where you could enter it.

I want to stress that one excellent story is more valuable here than several good stories. Any person who sends me more than one subpar story I will start ignoring. So make sure its good work before you send it to me and think hard before you send in two.

Do they have to be stories? Are rants, observational articles, poetry, works of journalism etc. be accepted as well? Assuming they are well written, interesting, entertaining and/or have no grammar issues of course.

Stories would be best, but if you're a really good poet we can find room. Rants, articles, and journalism ought to be as interesting 5 years from now as they are today if they have any hope of making it in or should be relevant to to the people who would buy the anthology (the populace of newgrounds). For instance a well done interview with TomFulp (don't you all go pestering him) would be better than your thoughts on why swiss cheese shouldn't have holes. It is easy enough to turn an informational piece into a story. Your goal here should be to entertain and tell a good story that imparts something to the reader. You can try to do that in any form, I and whoever else is putting up money for this will have the final say as to what gets in and what doesn't.

Ideally, revenue will be shared, but we'll have to see what happens.

If one of your pieces of literature gets picked, is there any sort of awarding other than knowing you got published, such as store credit or an NG related prize, or even a free copy of the anthology?

You might be able to get a copy of the anthology at the base price that isn't marked up for the store (that would probably be under 15 or 10 dollars depending on the final format we choose). Publishing is a prize. If you don't want to be published I have no idea why you would do this. And if you understand publishing, I have no idea why you wouldn't want to do this if you were interested in writing for a living later in life.

How should we submit our works if they are completed? Via PM to you, Tom, or who? Should we host it as a file offline, or should just send it as a message? Or should we mail it, or what?

When you are ready to submit contact me and we'll work out what's best for you. Personally, I'd like it if everyone used wave to give me a word doc or something similar.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-14 17:28:27 Reply

This sounds great.

So I'm getting the feeling that entries should be somewhere between the size of a novella (around 30 pages and up) and a short story (around 5-15 pages). Is that right? That would make each entry about 20-25 pages in length.

If so, I'm assuming less than ten people will be accepted.

This is a great opportunity, Good luck to everyone. :D


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-14 18:18:36 Reply

Alright, whoring time.

As i would like to be considered, i'd like you guys to peer edit my story which i hope to make into a fine entry.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1160 153

This is the farthest into editing i have ever gotten, and it would be interesting to at least see what is said

Thanks.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-14 18:23:26 Reply

At 4/13/10 09:24 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
At 4/13/10 05:41 PM, Flyingdingo0827 wrote: I'm sorry but don't you think you're setting the bar a little high?
No, if I'm putting $300 dollars towards this, the least you can do is hand me a story that's flawless in terms of grammar & spelling; especially after I give you several months to work on it. If you aren't willing to put the time into it and your best work or even find an editor, you don't value your writing enough for me to desire to publish it.

The U.S. at least mandates everyone of of you will have access to basic training in spelling & grammar. You clearly have the internet, another tool which can teach you what you don't know. If anybody who wants to participate knows that they are too lazy to find another person to edit for them if they know they are incapable, I will not waste my time.

I mean...even seasoned authors have a minor grammatical/spelling errors that might not get fixed in the final draft. Also I think that if someone decides to put in their story for the anthology but it doesn't get in, I believe that you should at least give them a response so that they could at least fix the problem and hopefully get the story re-submitted into the final draft.
If it is clear that something fell through the cracks, but the story is otherwise amazing I will likely contact the author anyways to let them know they need to edit again. If the story has more than two errors and I'm not further than one paragraph through, I'll just stop reading. That's all there is to it. I will not waste my time because someone else was too lazy to do what they should have done.

I took a course in college where we were asked to write 10,000 documents and we were told for every grammar and spelling mistake found we would loose an entire letter grade. My professor called it the draconian rule, and amazingly it worked. I have confidence anyone who wants to be published in such an anthology of this will also have the respect for themselves and me to edit and revise their work.

Okay Mr. Gumonshoe, that does seem fair.

The only thing I really wanted to comment on was that whole "if it has a mistake, I won't accept it and I won't tell you why" thing. I'm glad that you'll at least contact authors and I'm glad that you're a little more lenient than your first post led me to believe. Also I didn't know about the costs to this project and I think that you're right, since you are donating so much time and money to this project, I also believe that any submissions that you receive should be as perfect as humanly possible but I also believe that some authors should at least have feedback as to why their submission weren't considered so that they have the opportunity to improve.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope that you succeed in the "anthology" thing.

-Flyingdingo0827

P.S. if I could have a little more information on this "anthology" thing such as the length of the stories, the preferred genre (if it matters) etc. then I might also decide become involved in this project as well. If it isn't too much trouble, I'd appreciate some more information as soon as you have time to respond.

So with that, thank you and have a great day.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-17 23:18:10 Reply

Interesting idea. I might try to come up with something for this.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-17 23:32:20 Reply

excuse me why I decide to be an ass

Grow the hell up guys. Do you want him to publish you? Then do what he wants! End of discussion.

HE is the PUBLISHER of this book. His choice.

Deal with it or don't even bother.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-18 04:04:37 Reply

At 4/17/10 11:32 PM, TrevorW wrote:
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Grow the hell up guys. Do you want him to publish you? Then do what he wants! End of discussion.

HE is the PUBLISHER of this book. His choice.

Deal with it or don't even bother.

Well technically he's not the publisher. Just the guy choosing what he wants in the book he's going to order from a print-on-demand company.

But yeah, it's his project, so he does have the say of what goes in/what happens to it.

I have another idea. If you are already going to go to the art forums and have a contest for cover art, why not also have multiple artists draw a picture for each story? I think it'd be kind of cool to have an artist draw their version of a story and have that be the title page for each story.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-18 05:44:03 Reply

In addition to (hopefully) submitting for the anthology, I could provide typesetting and layout for you. Third-year Graphic Design student, graduating this June.

Had a look through the thread, and couldn't establish a particular length that would be preferred. Seems as though it could be anything between 5,000 and 50,000 words. Is there some specification you had in mind?

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At 4/18/10 05:44 AM, vow2thou wrote: In addition to (hopefully) submitting for the anthology, I could provide typesetting and layout for you. Third-year Graphic Design student, graduating this June.

Had a look through the thread, and couldn't establish a particular length that would be preferred. Seems as though it could be anything between 5,000 and 50,000 words. Is there some specification you had in mind?

He said he doesn't want someone to write a novella, and that can start from 10,000 words to 17,500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novella).

So I'm assuming less than 15,000 at least unless it's damn good?

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-04-23 09:50:14 Reply

At 4/19/10 10:22 PM, Koji98 wrote: So I'm assuming less than 15,000 at least unless it's damn good?

Yeah, pretty much. The offer still stands, though I haven't received much word on this from anyone. I'll just assume those of you who are interested will occasionally bump this with your progress or shoot me a pm.

If no one wants this to happen, it won't. And if you do, it will. Simple as. Compelling, well written stories have a great shot at being published in the book. Blar blar blar.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-18 13:58:24 Reply

Bumping yet again.

If you have wave, you can send your story to me at :

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Beyond that though, I now have confirmation from Tom that the office will make some effort to help this project along, so this project is still a go. I'm working on my story still, I hope some of you are still considering what you're going to submit or working through your project.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-18 21:34:18 Reply

I was actually thinking about this this morning. At the moment I've only really been able to write stories for uni and little else, however, one assignment I've got for uni involves typing up a whole notebook full of story fragments, so it's very likely that I'll be able to draw inspiration from one of those if I can force myself to find the time to flesh the story out into a full, cohesive narrative. The likelihood at the moment is that it won't happen for at least another few weeks, until the semester's finished, but definitely, definitely, I'd still love to write something and send it to you.


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At 5/18/10 09:34 PM, WritersBlock wrote: I was actually thinking about this this morning. At the moment I've only really been able to write stories for uni and little else, however, one assignment I've got for uni involves typing up a whole notebook full of story fragments, so it's very likely that I'll be able to draw inspiration from one of those if I can force myself to find the time to flesh the story out into a full, cohesive narrative. The likelihood at the moment is that it won't happen for at least another few weeks, until the semester's finished, but definitely, definitely, I'd still love to write something and send it to you.

Sounds good to me. :)

And if you've got a good story you wrote for Uni that just needs polished or flushed out, I don't see any reason not to use something from the past, so long as it hasn't been published elsewhere or floated freely around the net.

I continue to slowly flush out my story. I'm taking my time on this one, trying to do it right.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-19 13:21:05 Reply

I just saw this and Im totally intrested. Is there a set theme? Or is it just an authors of newgrounds sort of thing?


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At 5/19/10 01:21 PM, TheReno wrote: I just saw this and Im totally intrested. Is there a set theme? Or is it just an authors of newgrounds sort of thing?

I'll let you read this topic completely before I bother to answer that question again. ;)


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-19 14:58:56 Reply

I will contribute. I have a monologue (in transcript format), and two narratives that make up one overall story that I would be very willing to share. It's currently being modulated as my coursework, but I'm sure that won't be a problem by the time comes if it gets through.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-19 16:42:54 Reply

If you don't mind, I'll submit Sunless, but considering it was only edited once, i won't be surprised if it is passed over. Entered it into a contest for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It didn't win, considering i was competing for 3 prizes against all of Canada, but i still like the work.


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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-19 19:25:39 Reply

I'll let you read this topic completely before I bother to answer that question again. ;)

Just so you know letters change around on me. So if you answered my questions already then my bad. I probably read it as a diffrent sentence and didnt pick up on what happened. :P

Also, you said youd not consider a story pmed to you with mistakes but what about a rough draft on here? Cause I will probably type it out as I go on here and get feed back on that part, tweek it where it needs tweeking before moving it to a word processor. Is that going to hurt my chances of getting in?


Its time to play games and jerk off. And Im all out of quarters.

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Response to Writing Anthology Invitation 2010-05-20 19:40:24 Reply

At 5/19/10 07:51 PM, Grubby wrote: So we can write about ANY type of story right? Does it have to be fiction? (sounds like a dumb question, but what can I lose?)

It can be on anything.

Anyway, Wolf-Raven, you need to do some heavy revisions and some editing. I found an error in your first paragraph where you should have said "but it did" instead of "but it didn't." I can keep reading it and return edits, but you'll need to sign up for google wave so that I can mark it. Google wave is free to the public now, so anyone can sign up without an invitation.

Reno, I encourage working with others, but I do not recommend posting your entire story publicly on the internet.


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