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At 4/14/10 08:43 PM, jwhitt wrote:

implying that I haven't been around newgrounds for very long

This is a new account, I've used newgrounds and newgrounds' forum for quite a while under a different account. Don't assume anything about me, buddy.

...and all of what I said is corroborated by Audio Mastering's entry in Wikipedia.

Source: Wikipedia

If you don't like a thread, stop posting in it and let it die. Pissing people off doesn't help anybody. Have a nice life.

Your original post started off with the statement,

"What in the hell are you people talking about?"

So you are mad because someone called you a noob, in not so many words. Yet your very first post in this thread was a blatant attempt to call everyone here morons. What you said is correct, but to be honest doesn't mean much to anyone here.

Reason being you didn't explain anything really. You just pretty much took someone else's words and slapped them in here to look smart. And most people who are actually new the audio process would be confused by what you said. For example...

"Mastering is the process of preparing and transferring audio onto a data storage device. This device is called the master, from which a recording is mass produced."

That is true, but to most audio newcomers they would simply think that taking a song in mp3 form and pasting it into a cd would be "mastering" because this doesn't explain the steps at all.

And to be honest, everything you said has already been addressed in the thread. So your only purpose for posting this was an attempt to put everyone else down and make yourself look smart in the process....Oddly enough by referencing Wikipedia.

On top of all that, if you don't want to be treated like a noob, don't post under an alt account and then quote Wikipedia. That is just asking to be labeled as a nooblet.

Pissing people off doesn't help anybody. Have a nice day.

Now where have I heard that last line before?!?!

At 4/14/10 08:43 PM, LaForge wrote: Entirely off topic... Gravey, I love your sig.

It's the work of some rogue artist who goes by the name of InvisibleObserver. ;-)

At 4/14/10 08:59 PM, Gravey wrote: Reason being you didn't explain anything really. You just pretty much took someone else's words and slapped them in here to look smart. And most people who are actually new the audio process would be confused by what you said. For example...

Not to mention this little gem:

At 4/14/10 07:24 PM, jwhitt wrote: When you export to .mp3, .wav, or .ogg from within FL Studio or whatever software you're using, that file would be the master and what you just did by exporting to file called is mastering.

Protip: do not attempt to make yourself look smarter than people by skimming a wikipedia article and then acting as if you know everything about a topic. This will always result in you being pwned and embarrassed by people who actually have real knowledge on the subject (which just clearly happened). Stating that mastering is simply exporting a file is quite possibly the most misinformed thing I have ever heard.

To save you future embarrassment, I will give you the best way I've ever summed up mastering: Mastering at its core is preparing your track to be balanced enough so you can place it on recorded media and have it played on a variety of sound systems.

Putting it on recorded media is the final step of the process. Not the process itself.

"Mastering is the process of preparing and transferring audio onto a data storage device. This device is called the master, from which a recording is mass produced."

That is part of it, but mastering also involves making sure the track sounds good on a variety of systems and has the proper dynamic value (i.e. loudness war)

Mastering can go from running it through a huge mess of gear or just a limiter depending on the mix.

Guys..there is a reason why there are people who actually master for a job and make alot of money from it, go figure. YES to some degree people can do there own mastering, but it is an artform, takes years to master (HAHA I MADE A FUNNY), is usually done by people with specialist expensive high end equipment and is twiddly and time consuming to the max.

This is a subject that has been long standing and talked to death, pressing a few buttons after you bounce the your mix is NOT mastering, now let's all get a smoothie and chill :)

You guys made my thread popular!
:j/k

Wow, I didn't think this thread would take off like this... I just wanted to create this thread just to talk about mastering, not mixing. But, apparently we have people who think they know what they are talking about and are confusing people who don't know what mastering is yet. From now on if you think you know what mastering is don't post it.. It will only lead to another comment from someone who thinks they know what it is.. Thus leading to another mini argument within the thread.

At 4/14/10 07:24 PM, jwhitt wrote: What in the hell are you people talking about?

Mastering is the process of preparing and transferring audio onto a data storage device. This device is called the master, from which a recording is mass produced.

Please refrain yourself from posting comments like this. You really are making yourself look like a noobie when you pretend to know what mastering is.

At 4/14/10 07:41 PM, amaterasu wrote: Yo dawg I heard you like mastering so we put a master in your mastering so you can master while you're mastering

Yo dawg I heard you like mixing but we weren't sure if mixing was the same thing as mastering so we put a mix in your master so you can mix while you master or master while you mix

Also... I'm not great at mastering but just through practice I've become much better, and I've found that mastering can be either easy or hard depending on the kind of song you're making. There are times when I've wanted to pull my hear out trying to keep my song under 0 dB while maintaining the right sound and others when I've barely thought about it at all.

So... I guess I'm mastering ambivalent.

At 4/15/10 01:20 PM, beyondblue wrote: From now on if you think you know what mastering is don't post it.. It will only lead to another comment from someone who thinks they know what it is.. Thus leading to another mini argument within the thread.

This is Newgrounds....Posting about mastering in the Audio forum is like posting about religion in the General forum.

At 4/15/10 11:11 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote: Mastering can go from running it through a huge mess of gear or just a limiter depending on the mix.

And that is why MIXING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.

At 4/12/10 04:16 PM, Calamaistr wrote: I still have no clue what the hell mastering is and how you do it, and what the difference is between not mastering and mastering.

I have no problem making my music sound the way i want it to without this mastering thing either.

Simply put, mastering is the post-render work done to a track to ready it for release. Sometimes there's a lot that needs polishing up, sometimes there's very little because the initial mix is very good. By the same token, for recorded music instead of rendered music, sometimes you have to do a lot of correction during the mixing stage (your mic work wasn't the best, or the vocals picked up a lot of sibilance or there's cracking or popping in the track et c.), and sometimes your take was just really good and you don't have to.

For a place like NG where almost 100% of the music is rendered and not recorded the mixing stage takes on a LOT of importance, which is why people will always tell you "learn to mix, if you know how to do mixing your song will sound good."

What most people do on this site I think is refferred to as,.. audio post production? I don't claim to be an expert on this subject - but most people on this site make music to.. sound good on this site. Not to sound good on a cd, or pumping on a high bass system, etc etc. Mastering is taking your gem of a song after you have finished making it, and altering it so that it sounds best on a specific medium.

That's my take on it neways - as for super expensive gear, I'm not so sure you need that - just a good grasp of what it is you are trying to acheive.

That's my take on it neways - as for super expensive gear, I'm not so sure you need that - just a good grasp of what it is you are trying to acheive.

Hell, I can make my music sound badass without hardware. The only reason I would ever want to use hardware is just to make all the songs sound louder while maintaining an equal level between the rest of them so they don't sound louder than the other songs. You can only make your songs sound so loud before they start to clip with plugins.